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== translation into Chinese Wikipedia ==
== translation into Chinese Wikipedia ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Murree&oldid=485936425 The 17:28, 6 April 2012‎ Smsarmad version] of this article is translated into [[:zh:穆里|Chinese Wikipedia]].--[[User:Wing|Wing]] ([[User talk:Wing|talk]]) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Murree&oldid=485936425 The 17:28, 6 April 2012‎ Smsarmad version] of this article is translated into [[:zh:穆里|Chinese Wikipedia]].--[[User:Wing|Wing]] ([[User talk:Wing|talk]]) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

== Sources ==
* An English-language source that can be used for this article is [http://archives.dawn.com/weekly/books/archive/060709/books2.htm here].
* Some Urdu-language sources are mentioned in [[Talk:Murree/Archive 1#Dhond Abbasi|this post in the talk archive]]. — [[User:Scott Martin|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott Martin|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 10:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
* Also the ''Imperial Gazetteer of India'' [http://dsal.uchicago.edu/reference/gazetteer/pager.html?objectid=DS405.1.I34_V18_049.gif].
* The EB1911 article for Murree hasn't hit Wikisource yet, but it's [http://archive.org/details/encyclopaediabri19chisrich volume 19, page 42]. Some text from it has definitely been used in the article, which I need to identify.
* [http://tribune.com.pk/story/207372/climate-change-in-the-hills-of-murree/ This news article] talks about the Murree climate. — [[User:Scott Martin|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott Martin|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

:*A collection of first hand accounts from (mainly US citizens?) in the area. Looks fascinating.
::{{cite book |url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Mw47iScUvpwC&dq=murree&source=gbs_navlinks_s| title=Far Above the Plain: Private Profiles and Admissable Evidence from the First Forty Years of Murree Christian School, Pakistan, 1956-1996 |first=Paul Asbury |last=Seaman|year=1996|publisher=William Carey Library}}
:*Geology of the area, in depth, tricky to transliterate this stuff!
::{{cite book|url=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=I-sqAQAAIAAJ&pg=SL3-PA21&dq=murree&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pgnCUZiaNYaNOMCWgdAN&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBg|title=Geological Survey Professional Paper, Volume 716|publisher=U.S. Government Printing Office|year=1972}}
::Haven't found much else of use. Hope this helps, Scott. -- [[User:Hillbillyholiday81|Hillbillyholiday]] <sup>[[User talk:Hillbillyholiday81|talk]]</sup> 19:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, thanks! — [[User:Scott Martin|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott Martin|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

== Climate data ==
I'm moving this in here for safe keeping, for lack of a better place. As the article also has a climate chart in it this data seems redundant. — [[User:Scott Martin|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott Martin|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

<div style="width:70%;">
{{Weather box
|location = Muree|metric first = Y
|single line = Y
|Jan record high C = 17.2
|Feb record high C = 19.8
|Mar record high C = 23.0
|Apr record high C = 26.0
|May record high C = 32.0
|Jun record high C = 32.2
|Jul record high C = 31.7
|Aug record high C = 27.2
|Sep record high C = 25.6
|Oct record high C = 25.0
|Nov record high C = 22.3
|Dec record high C = 21.1
|Jan high C = 7.2
|Feb high C = 7.5
|Mar high C = 11.6
|Apr high C = 17.2
|May high C = 21.7
|Jun high C = 25.1
|Jul high C = 22.4
|Aug high C = 21.4
|Sep high C = 20.9
|Oct high C = 18.6
|Nov high C = 14.5
|Dec high C = 10.2
|Jan mean C = 3.7
|Feb mean C = 4.0
|Mar mean C = 8.0
|Apr mean C = 13.2
|May mean C = 17.3
|Jun mean C = 20.6
|Jul mean C = 19.1
|Aug mean C = 18.4
|Sep mean C = 17.2
|Oct mean C = 14.3
|Nov mean C = 10.3
|Dec mean C = 6.3
|Jan low C = 0.1
|Feb low C = 0.5
|Mar low C = 4.3
|Apr low C = 9.1
|May low C = 12.8
|Jun low C = 16.1
|Jul low C = 15.7
|Aug low C = 15.4
|Sep low C = 13.4
|Oct low C = 10.1
|Nov low C = 6.2
|Dec low C = 2.4
|Jan record low C = −8.4
|Feb record low C = -10.6
|Mar record low C = −7.0
|Apr record low C = -3.3
|May record low C = 0.6
|Jun record low C = 3.6
|Jul record low C = 8.9
|Aug record low C = 10.0
|Sep record low C = 6.0
|Oct record low C = 1.1
|Nov record low C = -3.3
|Dec record low C = −10.5
|Jan precipitation mm = 126.5
|Feb precipitation mm = 145.0
|Mar precipitation mm = 176.8
|Apr precipitation mm = 133.0
|May precipitation mm = 91.9
|Jun precipitation mm = 130.3
|Jul precipitation mm = 339.3
|Aug precipitation mm = 326.3
|Sep precipitation mm = 146.5
|Oct precipitation mm = 70.2
|Nov precipitation mm = 32.5
|Dec precipitation mm = 70.3
|source 1 =NOAA (1961-1990) <ref name= NOAA>{{cite web
|url = ftp://dossier.ogp.noaa.gov/GCOS/WMO-Normals/RA-II/PK/41573.TXT
|title = Murree Climate Normals 1961-1990
|publisher = [[National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration]]
|accessdate = January 16, 2013}}</ref>
}}
</div>

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== Tribes ==
:''The main tribes of Murree are the Dhund Abbasi, [[Abbasi]]. Other tribes are the [[Karlal]], [[gujjar]]s, [[Syed]]s, [[Sheikh]]s, [[Khawaja]]s, [[Kethwal Rajput]]s, the [[Dhanyal]]s, [[Mughals|Awans]], [[Jasgam]], [[Satti]], [[Baig]], [[Quraysh (tribe)]], [[Mirza]], [[Mengiral Rajput]] [[Jats]], [[Kashmiri people|Kashmiri]], [[Balti people|Balti]], and [[Barlas]].''

I'm taking this out as it's completely unreferenced, and the sort of thing that causes edit wars between anonymous visitors. Please don't put it back unless you can provide a source for the information. — [[User:Scott Martin|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott Martin|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 14:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

== The Mall ==
in the article the following statement is made " Until 1947, access to Mall Road was restricted for "natives" (non-Europeans)."

this is not correct. I spent two summers and one winter in Moray between 1941 and 1942. as an English person I often went up the Mall and I remember going with my mother up the Mall to shop. if you meant that natives were not allowed in the mall I suggest you reword the entry. [[Special:Contributions/62.164.133.66|62.164.133.66]] ([[User talk:62.164.133.66|talk]]) 17:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== Change to region ==
{{ping|JaanbazAli}} The article used to say that Murree is "in the [[Galyat]] region of the [[Pir Panjal Range]]", but you've changed it to say "in the [[Pothohar Plateau|Pothowar]] region of the [[Pir Panjal Range]]", linking the word "Pothowar" to [[Pothohar Plateau]]. The plateau is south of Islamabad. Murree is to the northeast of Islamabad.

There are many websites in Pakistan (for example [https://www.pakistantoursguide.pk/about-pakistan/punjab/murree-the-galliyats/galiyat/ this one]) that say things like "the Galiyat area which borders NWFP and Punjab, starting at Murree and ending at Thandiani".

I've returned the article to how it was, again. Before you change the text again, you need to discuss it here, on this page. Can you link to any website or document or map that supports your change? &nbsp;— [[User:Scott|'''<span style="color:#000">Scott</span>''']] <span style="color:#900">•</span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="color:#000">talk</span>'']] 19:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:38, 31 March 2024

Henry Lawrence

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My dear friends, hello. I have made some amendments in the History portion re Sir Henry Lawrence and added some more infornmation about the early foundation of Murree. Reg Sir Henry Lawrence, I have noticed this in some other articles related to the early Punjab tyhat people tend to keep ref to him as 'Governor of the Punjab' (have fixed some of these in other places too) -- now, in fact, after the Treaty of Bhairowal, 1846, Sir Henry Lawrence was British Resident in Punjab at the court of the minor Maharaja Dilip Singh and after the 2nd Anglo-Sikh War he became President of the Board of Administration for the Punjab, on annexation c 1849 to 1853. He was then transfered by Lord Dalhousie, Governor-General and his younger brother, John Lawrence (later Lord Lawrence of the Punjab) became the Chief Commissioner of this new province of British India (1853-59) and then, very briefly, the first Lieutenant-Governor of the Punjab (Feb 1859) before retiring to England. He was followed by Sir Robert Montgomery as the 2nd Lieutenant-Governor. Meanwhile, Sir Henry Lawrence had died at the Defence of Lucknow, July 1857 (Indian Mutiny/Rebellion/War of Independence, according to your point of view). I hope this is useful! Khani100 (talk) 02:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

In addition to the above, have also made some other minor changes and editorial amendments, and sorted out some problems witht he textual information and its verifiability and atendant standards. Please, would be very grateful if (a) various blogsites and/or websites of dubious nature and provennace, run and managed by local people in Pakistan and/or prmoting a slanted and biased view of history, shouldnt be cited. Thanks Khani100 (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Khani100[reply]

translation into Chinese Wikipedia

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The 17:28, 6 April 2012‎ Smsarmad version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Wing (talk) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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  • A collection of first hand accounts from (mainly US citizens?) in the area. Looks fascinating.
Seaman, Paul Asbury (1996). Far Above the Plain: Private Profiles and Admissable Evidence from the First Forty Years of Murree Christian School, Pakistan, 1956-1996. William Carey Library.
  • Geology of the area, in depth, tricky to transliterate this stuff!
Geological Survey Professional Paper, Volume 716. U.S. Government Printing Office. 1972.
Haven't found much else of use. Hope this helps, Scott. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thanks! — Scott • talk 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data

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I'm moving this in here for safe keeping, for lack of a better place. As the article also has a climate chart in it this data seems redundant. — Scott • talk 14:31, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data for Muree
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Record high °C (°F) 17.2
(63.0) 		19.8
(67.6) 		23.0
(73.4) 		26.0
(78.8) 		32.0
(89.6) 		32.2
(90.0) 		31.7
(89.1) 		27.2
(81.0) 		25.6
(78.1) 		25.0
(77.0) 		22.3
(72.1) 		21.1
(70.0) 		32.2
(90.0)
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) 7.2
(45.0) 		7.5
(45.5) 		11.6
(52.9) 		17.2
(63.0) 		21.7
(71.1) 		25.1
(77.2) 		22.4
(72.3) 		21.4
(70.5) 		20.9
(69.6) 		18.6
(65.5) 		14.5
(58.1) 		10.2
(50.4) 		16.5
(61.8)
Daily mean °C (°F) 3.7
(38.7) 		4.0
(39.2) 		8.0
(46.4) 		13.2
(55.8) 		17.3
(63.1) 		20.6
(69.1) 		19.1
(66.4) 		18.4
(65.1) 		17.2
(63.0) 		14.3
(57.7) 		10.3
(50.5) 		6.3
(43.3) 		12.7
(54.9)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) 0.1
(32.2) 		0.5
(32.9) 		4.3
(39.7) 		9.1
(48.4) 		12.8
(55.0) 		16.1
(61.0) 		15.7
(60.3) 		15.4
(59.7) 		13.4
(56.1) 		10.1
(50.2) 		6.2
(43.2) 		2.4
(36.3) 		8.8
(47.9)
Record low °C (°F) −8.4
(16.9) 		−10.6
(12.9) 		−7
(19) 		−3.3
(26.1) 		0.6
(33.1) 		3.6
(38.5) 		8.9
(48.0) 		10.0
(50.0) 		6.0
(42.8) 		1.1
(34.0) 		−3.3
(26.1) 		−10.5
(13.1) 		−10.6
(12.9)
Average precipitation mm (inches) 126.5
(4.98) 		145.0
(5.71) 		176.8
(6.96) 		133.0
(5.24) 		91.9
(3.62) 		130.3
(5.13) 		339.3
(13.36) 		326.3
(12.85) 		146.5
(5.77) 		70.2
(2.76) 		32.5
(1.28) 		70.3
(2.77) 		1,788.6
(70.43)
Source: NOAA (1961-1990) [1]

References

  1. ^ "Murree Climate Normals 1961-1990". National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved January 16, 2013.

Tribes

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The main tribes of Murree are the Dhund Abbasi, Abbasi. Other tribes are the Karlal, gujjars, Syeds, Sheikhs, Khawajas, Kethwal Rajputs, the Dhanyals, Awans, Jasgam, Satti, Baig, Quraysh (tribe), Mirza, Mengiral Rajput Jats, Kashmiri, Balti, and Barlas.

I'm taking this out as it's completely unreferenced, and the sort of thing that causes edit wars between anonymous visitors. Please don't put it back unless you can provide a source for the information. — Scott • talk 14:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Mall

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in the article the following statement is made " Until 1947, access to Mall Road was restricted for "natives" (non-Europeans)."

this is not correct. I spent two summers and one winter in Moray between 1941 and 1942. as an English person I often went up the Mall and I remember going with my mother up the Mall to shop. if you meant that natives were not allowed in the mall I suggest you reword the entry. 62.164.133.66 (talk) 17:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change to region

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@JaanbazAli: The article used to say that Murree is "in the Galyat region of the Pir Panjal Range", but you've changed it to say "in the Pothowar region of the Pir Panjal Range", linking the word "Pothowar" to Pothohar Plateau. The plateau is south of Islamabad. Murree is to the northeast of Islamabad.

There are many websites in Pakistan (for example this one) that say things like "the Galiyat area which borders NWFP and Punjab, starting at Murree and ending at Thandiani".

I've returned the article to how it was, again. Before you change the text again, you need to discuss it here, on this page. Can you link to any website or document or map that supports your change?  — Scott • talk 19:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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