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== Regulation and standardization == |
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/21/schoolgirl_expelled_rfid_chip/ |
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In this section, it is stated that the NFC payments use the ISO/IEC15693 standard, though the corresponding page only lists "public library" and "sky pass" tags, whereas the NFC contactless payments are listed on the ISO/IEC 14443 page. Thus, this should be corrected. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/178.233.225.27|178.233.225.27]] ([[User talk:178.233.225.27#top|talk]]) 20:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Is a single lawsuit notable enough? [[User:Hcobb|Hcobb]] ([[User talk:Hcobb|talk]]) 22:24, 21 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:I'd correct it if I knew exactly which content should be altered. It might be that the [[ISO/IEC 15693]] page needs to list more examples rather than this article being edited. If you have expertise in this field, can I suggest you [[WP:BOLD| be bold]] and try editing the article page/s yourself. [[User:Meticulo|Meticulo]] ([[User talk:Meticulo|talk]]) 05:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC) |
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: A lawsuit by itself is not [[WP:notable]]. A lawsuit is a primary source, and WP needs a secondary source to tell us it is notable. That said, notability is a requirement for a separate article; it is not a requirement for inclusion in an existing article. |
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[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]], I've added "citation needed" tags to show where in the article verification seems lacking. I'm responding here to [[User_talk:Meticulo#Banner_headline_tags_not_helpful |your query on my talk page]] because other editors might want some background to my tagging. I agree the article as it stands is overly detailed and fixated on trivia. It needs heavy cutting, which would also reduce the number of footnotes. [[User:Meticulo|Meticulo]] ([[User talk:Meticulo|talk]]) 11:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC) |
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: The story you cite is not the lawsuit but rather an article about the controversy. If The Register is a reliable source, then it can be used to add information to an article. A google search turns up other sources for the story. |
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: The question becomes does the story merit inclusion. I'm on the fence. The story has human interest and is growing, but WP is [[WP:NOTNEWSPAPER]]. The story is more about privacy in general than RFID. There are additional privacy issues: the badge barcode is apparently her Social Security Number. On the flip side, the WP article has a lot about RFID privacy issues: [[Radio-frequency identification#Privacy]]. Maybe that section will spin off. |
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:: I would be shocked if the number of the card is her SSN. Schools are really not that lax with sensitive information. Read the article again... they say "correspond" to her SSN. There is a database, somewhere, that matches her RFID number to her SSN. -- [[User:Wguynes|Wguynes]] ([[User talk:Wguynes|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wguynes|contribs]]) 20:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC) |
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: Consequently, I'd say be [[WP:BRD|bold]] and put something about the story in the article -- but keep a neutral tone. |
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: [[User:Glrx|Glrx]] ([[User talk:Glrx|talk]]) 17:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC) |
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: Be aware that most of the headlines you'll find are incorrect. The student was disenrolled only after refusing an ID card ''without'' an RFID chip. Almost all articles claim, usually in the headline, that it was because she refused one ''with'' a chip. Very sensationalist, sells papers, but one would hope we at Wikipedia care about facts. See the copy of the letter from the district referenced in some of the articles for a direct reference to the disenrollment. It does no good to merely regurgitate bad journalism. -- [[User:Wguynes|Wguynes]] ([[User talk:Wguynes|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Wguynes|contribs]]) 20:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== RFID localization for cancer surgery == |
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The "Mark of the Beast" references Revelation 13. The passage is not very specific as to what it is, and that therefore we cannot be very specific as to what it is not. However, human identification is involved in this chapter, especially for economic ends, and, more broadly, for purposes of control. The Book of Revelation is held authoritative, as it is in the canon, of all major divisions of the Christian Faith. ([[User:John G. Lewis|John G. Lewis]] ([[User talk:John G. Lewis|talk]]) 16:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)) |
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Does anyone have time to add something on RFID localization for cancer surgery? |
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== Active RFID == |
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The RFID tag is inserted next to the tumour underultrasound or CT guidance and the surgeon uses a detector to remove the adjacent tumor and the tag |
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Active RFID in my opinion is added into the article as if it is the same technology as passive RFID with a battery. This is factually incorrect. What is know as active RFID is a very different technology. It operates in a different way and has a number of features that is not applicable to passive RFID. Active RFID is an electronic tag that includes an microprocessor and transmitter circuit. The tag is battery powered and provided a continues modulation control signal which transmits a unique identification and other data. The invention also included a receiver that receive the transmissions from the tag. |
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https://www.hologic.com/hologic-products/breast-health-solutions/localizer-wire-free-guidance-system |
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Ta [[Special:Contributions/208.127.199.229|208.127.199.229]] ([[User talk:208.127.199.229|talk]]) 08:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Terrence Keith (Terry) Ashwin developed the automatic electronic identification - battery operated (active) Identification System <ref>{{cite web|title=South African technology leads the world|url=http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111319|website=www.itweb.co.za}}</ref> <ref name="PatentScope">{{cite web|url=http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2000052636 |title=Identification system Patent WO/2000/052636}}</ref> <ref name="Google Patents">{{cite web|url=http://www.google.com/patents/US20020175807 |title=Identification device |
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US 20020175807}}</ref> <ref name="Intellectual Property in Australia">{{cite web|url=http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/konisa-limited/patents/AU1999032621/ |title=Identification Tag}}</ref> today known as Active RFID. The original product was called Link-IT and then renamed to Wavetrend.<ref name="Wavetrend">{{cite web|url=http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US20020175807|title= Patent Session - Legal Events Ashwin - Konisa - Wavetrend}}</ref> Wavetrend delivered a paper at the RFID Journal Live Conference in May 2006. (http://www.rfidjournalevents.com/live2006/PDF/WedBO_Bishop.pdf) Wavetrend was referenced as the leaders in Active RFID technology on page 3 of the presentation. |
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== Proposed merge of [[RFdump]] into [[Radio-frequency identification]] == |
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He developed a number of additional features that made this product even more unique.<ref name="PatentMaps">{{cite web|url=http://www.patentmaps.com/inventor/ashwin_terrence_keith_1.html|title= Patent Applications Filed Terrence Keith Ashwin}}</ref> |
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Only about one reliable source for this topic however there are many passing mentions, merging into RFID makes sense. This article could also be deleted due to it being [[WP:UNDUE]] and/or [[WP:FRINGE]] because RFID seems immensely more popular than this subject. '''[[User:Apmh|<span style="color:#0000FF">Ap</span>]][[Special:Contributions/The Tips of Apmh|<span style="color:#0000FF">m</span>]][[User talk:The Tips of Apmh|<span style="color:#0000FF">h</span>]]''' 16:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC) |
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The product in 1999 while it was commercially known as Link-IT was awarded the prestigious 'Security Industry's Finest New Product Showcase'<ref name="SIA">{{cite web|url=http://www.iscwest.com/SIANPS/|title= SIA}}</ref> award at the ISC EXPO, Las Vegas 2000. <ref name="Computer Business Review">{{cite web|url=http://www.cbr.co.za/news.aspx?pklnewsid=2405|title= Link-IT receives international recognition}}</ref> |
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:Better that [[RFdump]] be deleted entirely - it is an ad, and there's never a need to list random debugging software for any article. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 23:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC) |
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::'''Closing''', with '''no merge'''; added PROD. [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 10:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Frequencies table == |
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Terry's invention (Link-IT) was discussed on a live SABC (South African Broadcast Corporation) program,Net Insider, with a panel that included two international experts. <ref name="Net Insider">{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ypf5Px6PA8|title= Net Insider - AIT}}</ref> The Net Insider on YouTube is half an hour long, and was specifically loaded by the author to provide an extra third party reference. In the video (9:40 minutes) Jeff Jarvis, VP Business Development of Access Corporation, USA, states "That it is new technology" and "It is the best I've seen for electronic commerce in the near term". (25:10 minutes) Don Small, VP Marketing and Business Development, HID Corporation, Irvine, California, Leaders in the Passive RFID world, provides an explanation about the difference between active and passive RFID and why HID is interested in the technology. Net Insider is as far as the author could establish an independent facilitator obtaining a objective view using a panel discussion with company representatives and independent experts. |
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The frequencies table does not appear to mention the kind of tags used to track supermarket merchandise (and allow a fast track checkout). Even when not used in this 'smart' way, they are often to be found on higher value items such a bottles of spirits to prevent theft. These use passive tags that have a range of a few meters. They are also used for inventory tracking. Why are they missing from the table? [[User:FreeFlow99|FreeFlow99]] ([[User talk:FreeFlow99|talk]]) 16:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.wavetrend.com Official website] |
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gert@eureka-technology.net – [[User:Gert Botha|gcmbotha]] ([[User talk:gcmbotha|talk]]) 08:30 pm, 24 June 2014 |
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:I removed the insertion about TA. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrence Keith Ashwin]]. [[User:Glrx|Glrx]] ([[User talk:Glrx|talk]]) 14:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::This is unfortunately not good enough. A number of additional substantiating documentation was provided. The post that you deleted contained 3rd party article that was not previously posted. If you have a reason for removing the content then state reasons and respond to all the additional information provided. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrence Keith Ashwin]]. [User:Gert Botha|gcmbotha]] ([[User talk:gcmbotha|talk]]) 01:32 pm, 1 August 2014 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 11:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::: I reverted and also cited a [[WP:POV]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Radio-frequency_identification&diff=619142933&oldid=618861009] Patents, reworked press releases, and presentations by company employees are not independent secondary sources. You need to get a consensus to add the material. See also [[WP:BRD]]. [[User:Glrx|Glrx]] ([[User talk:Glrx|talk]]) 19:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== France Rode== |
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France Rode inventor of first Rode also invented and created the first workable RFID products |
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source: [[France Rode]] |
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So why he isn't mentioned? Because he is not an American? |
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<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:89.143.107.192|89.143.107.192]] ([[User talk:89.143.107.192|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/89.143.107.192|contribs]]) 20:39, 25 September 2014</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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: WP is not a reliable source, so it cannot be used to support an RFID invention claim. Rode's patent is 12 years after Cardullo's 1972 patent. Rode was an employee of HP; there does not seem to be any basis for a discrimination claim. [[User:Glrx|Glrx]] ([[User talk:Glrx|talk]]) 18:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I agree. Rode's work is a milestone but not the first working system. For that you have to go back to the IFF system deployed in August 1939 just in time for WW2. [[User:Wundermac|Wundermac]] ([[User talk:Wundermac|talk]]) 04:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC) |
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== External Links Section == |
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The link "What is RFID? - Animated Explanation" seems to be broken. I was able to identify this URL: http://www.explania.com/en/channels/technology/detail/rfid-explained but it says "Sorry |
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Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here." <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbarcelo|Lbarcelo]] ([[User talk:Lbarcelo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbarcelo|contribs]]) 13:50, 23 October 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The link What is RFID? Educational video by The RFID Network also appears to be broken. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Lbarcelo|Lbarcelo]] ([[User talk:Lbarcelo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lbarcelo|contribs]]) 13:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:That site (explania) is ''not'' a reliable source: 1) hosted by a marketing company 2) with no clear author information, let alone information about the authors' expertise and credentials, and 3) allows "company sponsoring" and other PR activities influencing their content. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 06:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC) |
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== External links modified == |
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Regulation and standardization
[edit]In this section, it is stated that the NFC payments use the ISO/IEC15693 standard, though the corresponding page only lists "public library" and "sky pass" tags, whereas the NFC contactless payments are listed on the ISO/IEC 14443 page. Thus, this should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.233.225.27 (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'd correct it if I knew exactly which content should be altered. It might be that the ISO/IEC 15693 page needs to list more examples rather than this article being edited. If you have expertise in this field, can I suggest you be bold and try editing the article page/s yourself. Meticulo (talk) 05:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
"Banner headline tags not helpful"
[edit]Wtshymanski, I've added "citation needed" tags to show where in the article verification seems lacking. I'm responding here to your query on my talk page because other editors might want some background to my tagging. I agree the article as it stands is overly detailed and fixated on trivia. It needs heavy cutting, which would also reduce the number of footnotes. Meticulo (talk) 11:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
RFID localization for cancer surgery
[edit]Does anyone have time to add something on RFID localization for cancer surgery? The RFID tag is inserted next to the tumour underultrasound or CT guidance and the surgeon uses a detector to remove the adjacent tumor and the tag https://www.hologic.com/hologic-products/breast-health-solutions/localizer-wire-free-guidance-system Ta 208.127.199.229 (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Proposed merge of RFdump into Radio-frequency identification
[edit]Only about one reliable source for this topic however there are many passing mentions, merging into RFID makes sense. This article could also be deleted due to it being WP:UNDUE and/or WP:FRINGE because RFID seems immensely more popular than this subject. Apmh 16:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Better that RFdump be deleted entirely - it is an ad, and there's never a need to list random debugging software for any article. --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Closing, with no merge; added PROD. Klbrain (talk) 10:54, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Frequencies table
[edit]The frequencies table does not appear to mention the kind of tags used to track supermarket merchandise (and allow a fast track checkout). Even when not used in this 'smart' way, they are often to be found on higher value items such a bottles of spirits to prevent theft. These use passive tags that have a range of a few meters. They are also used for inventory tracking. Why are they missing from the table? FreeFlow99 (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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