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* Prose does not meet FA standards at times, and the History section is particularly clumsy; |
* Prose does not meet FA standards at times, and the History section is particularly clumsy; |
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* The relationship between Weymouth and Melcombe Regis has to be better explained, from what I gather they were separate towns that were unified at one point, but the prose is clumsy; |
* The relationship between Weymouth and Melcombe Regis has to be better explained, from what I gather they were separate towns that were unified at one point, but the prose is clumsy; |
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*:You gather correctly; hopefully I have now made clearer.--[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* The History section feels disjointed, in one sentence we're talking about coastal erosion, in the next about the English Civil War; |
* The History section feels disjointed, in one sentence we're talking about coastal erosion, in the next about the English Civil War; |
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* "Weymouth's esplanade is composed of Georgian terraces, which have been converted into apartments, shops, hotels and guest houses." - Why is this in the History section? |
* "Weymouth's esplanade is composed of Georgian terraces, which have been converted into apartments, shops, hotels and guest houses." - Why is this in the History section? |
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*:No idea. Moved.--[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* There is a circular reference to Wikipedia in the Governance section; |
* There is a circular reference to Wikipedia in the Governance section; |
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*:Fixed.--[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* This article follows a not very intuitive structure (History --> Governance --> Geography), shouldn't it be Geography --> History --> (...) --> Politics? |
* This article follows a not very intuitive structure (History --> Governance --> Geography), shouldn't it be Geography --> History --> (...) --> Politics? |
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*:I somewhat agree but this article follows the order set out in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements]]' MOS.--[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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* I was under the impression that several English seaside resorts suffered from deprivation, is this not the case in Weymouth? The above comment seems to hint at it, and I find claims, for instance, that [https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17945200.weymouth-portland-among-10-deprived-areas-uk/ "Weymouth & Portland among 10% most deprived areas in UK"]. Compare how the issue is given its due weight in recently promoted Featured Article on an English seaside town [[Skegness#Workforce_and_deprivation]]. |
* I was under the impression that several English seaside resorts suffered from deprivation, is this not the case in Weymouth? The above comment seems to hint at it, and I find claims, for instance, that [https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17945200.weymouth-portland-among-10-deprived-areas-uk/ "Weymouth & Portland among 10% most deprived areas in UK"]. Compare how the issue is given its due weight in recently promoted Featured Article on an English seaside town [[Skegness#Workforce_and_deprivation]]. |
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The article does not meet the [[Wikipedia:Featured article criteria]] and needs substantial work to rise to current standards. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 23:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC) |
The article does not meet the [[Wikipedia:Featured article criteria]] and needs substantial work to rise to current standards. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 23:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC) |
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: Following FAR, I've spotted some close paraphrasing of [https://web.archive.org/web/20060624195456/http://www.thewordtravels.com/thomas-hardy-and-dorset.html thewordtravels] that should be resolved. The source does not seem high quality, but it definetely pre-dates the inclusion of that Thomas Hardy paragraph in the Wikipedia article. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 17:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::Fixed.--[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Ykraps}} So I've been around the media section (which is funny because I've never heard about 3/4ths of these services/franchises) and I ''think'' that {{tq|Westcountry Television is the local ITV television franchise}} is no longer true. [[ITV Westcountry]] says there was a merger to form [[ITV West Country]]. I found [https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/2453030.news-coverage-to-bebr-hit-by-itv-shake-up/ this source] that talks a bit about it but I'm still looking for the follow up. If you could add it to the article I would appreciate it, since I'm not familiar with any of that. Also, [https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/freeview-channels-change-across-devon-2662862 this source] that I added talks about [[Freeview (UK)]], so maybe that's relevant. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 15:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I hadn't really looked at that section yet and, as it's an optional one, was half considering its deletion. This explains more about the franchise change.[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/articles/2009/02/18/south_west_tv_s15_w6_feature.shtml]] --[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC) |
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::I also found [https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0030/59736/westcountry_v2.2.pdf this map] that supports {{tq|three relay transmitters in the town (Wyke Regis, Bincombe Hill and Preston)}} from Stockland Hill. Got it from [https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/information-for-industry/tv/tv-transmitter-maps here]. If useful, could you add it? I'm not familiar with this stuff, I'm just doing a bit of research. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 15:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC) |
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::I've indicated at the FAR page that it's coming along, so there's no rush. [[User:RetiredDuke|RetiredDuke]] ([[User talk:RetiredDuke|talk]]) 15:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC) |
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== Pronunciation == |
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Pronunciation is currently wrong. The 'ou' sound in the name is the same as the 'u' in 'push'. I don't know where the 'a' in 'about' comes from, but it's not how we say it, here in Weymouth. You can take the word of a Weymouthian on that. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:39C9:8B8A:89EC:8C29|2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:39C9:8B8A:89EC:8C29]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:39C9:8B8A:89EC:8C29|talk]]) 05:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Please provide a reliable source rather than the word of a Weymouthian.[[User:SovalValtos|SovalValtos]] ([[User talk:SovalValtos|talk]]) 07:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::Provided a source for standard English pronunciation. A local variant may be added with a valid ref. 〜[[User:IvanScrooge98|<span style="color:black" lang="ja">イヴァン'''スクルージ'''九十八</span><span style="font-size:85%;">[Ivan'''Scrooge'''98]</span>]]<span style="font-size:85%;">([[user talk:IvanScrooge98|<span style="color:grey" lang="ja">会話</span>]])</span> 16:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== Misleading statement in lead == |
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Prior to local government reorganisation in April 2019, Weymouth formed a borough with the neighbouring Isle of Portland. Since then the area has been governed by Dorset Council. |
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This gives the impression that the town is now in Dorset but wasn't before 2019. In fact it's been in Dorset throughout the last 1,000 years. What happened in 2019 was that Weymouth (as a town council) was split away from Weymouth and Portland (a district). [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:It doesn't give me that impression but if you want to rework the sentence, I don't think anyone will object. --[[User:Ykraps|Ykraps]] ([[User talk:Ykraps|talk]]) 07:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Missing info?
[edit]This is a good well written article. But a Google search throws up lots of references to social problems, inequality, and significant deprivation in the town, especially in the Melcombe Regis area which isn't mentioned by the article at all. Also the history section stops in 1945. MapReader (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Featured Article in need of review
[edit]This Featured Article was promoted in 2006 and has never been reviewed since. The article's nomination at FAC was very, very superficial and the nominator, User:Rossenglish, has not edited since 2008.
A few of the issues spotted:
- There is significant unsourced content in this article, particularly in the History section;
- Prose does not meet FA standards at times, and the History section is particularly clumsy;
- The relationship between Weymouth and Melcombe Regis has to be better explained, from what I gather they were separate towns that were unified at one point, but the prose is clumsy;
- You gather correctly; hopefully I have now made clearer.--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- The History section feels disjointed, in one sentence we're talking about coastal erosion, in the next about the English Civil War;
- "Weymouth's esplanade is composed of Georgian terraces, which have been converted into apartments, shops, hotels and guest houses." - Why is this in the History section?
- No idea. Moved.--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- There is a circular reference to Wikipedia in the Governance section;
- Fixed.--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- This article follows a not very intuitive structure (History --> Governance --> Geography), shouldn't it be Geography --> History --> (...) --> Politics?
- I somewhat agree but this article follows the order set out in Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements' MOS.--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that several English seaside resorts suffered from deprivation, is this not the case in Weymouth? The above comment seems to hint at it, and I find claims, for instance, that "Weymouth & Portland among 10% most deprived areas in UK". Compare how the issue is given its due weight in recently promoted Featured Article on an English seaside town Skegness#Workforce_and_deprivation.
The article does not meet the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria and needs substantial work to rise to current standards. RetiredDuke (talk) 23:28, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
- Following FAR, I've spotted some close paraphrasing of thewordtravels that should be resolved. The source does not seem high quality, but it definetely pre-dates the inclusion of that Thomas Hardy paragraph in the Wikipedia article. RetiredDuke (talk) 17:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
- Fixed.--Ykraps (talk) 12:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@Ykraps: So I've been around the media section (which is funny because I've never heard about 3/4ths of these services/franchises) and I think that Westcountry Television is the local ITV television franchise
is no longer true. ITV Westcountry says there was a merger to form ITV West Country. I found this source that talks a bit about it but I'm still looking for the follow up. If you could add it to the article I would appreciate it, since I'm not familiar with any of that. Also, this source that I added talks about Freeview (UK), so maybe that's relevant. RetiredDuke (talk) 15:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I hadn't really looked at that section yet and, as it's an optional one, was half considering its deletion. This explains more about the franchise change.[[1]] --Ykraps (talk) 15:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I also found this map that supports
three relay transmitters in the town (Wyke Regis, Bincombe Hill and Preston)
from Stockland Hill. Got it from here. If useful, could you add it? I'm not familiar with this stuff, I'm just doing a bit of research. RetiredDuke (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC) - I've indicated at the FAR page that it's coming along, so there's no rush. RetiredDuke (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I also found this map that supports
Pronunciation
[edit]Pronunciation is currently wrong. The 'ou' sound in the name is the same as the 'u' in 'push'. I don't know where the 'a' in 'about' comes from, but it's not how we say it, here in Weymouth. You can take the word of a Weymouthian on that. 2A00:23C7:3119:AD01:39C9:8B8A:89EC:8C29 (talk) 05:56, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please provide a reliable source rather than the word of a Weymouthian.SovalValtos (talk) 07:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Provided a source for standard English pronunciation. A local variant may be added with a valid ref. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八[IvanScrooge98](会話) 16:32, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Misleading statement in lead
[edit]Prior to local government reorganisation in April 2019, Weymouth formed a borough with the neighbouring Isle of Portland. Since then the area has been governed by Dorset Council.
This gives the impression that the town is now in Dorset but wasn't before 2019. In fact it's been in Dorset throughout the last 1,000 years. What happened in 2019 was that Weymouth (as a town council) was split away from Weymouth and Portland (a district). Maproom (talk) 07:28, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- It doesn't give me that impression but if you want to rework the sentence, I don't think anyone will object. --Ykraps (talk) 07:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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