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Section 'Beginning of World War II, 1939' Change: The Polish military envoy to France, general Stanisław Burhardt-Bukacki, upon receiving the text of the message sent by Gamelin, alerted marshal Śmigły: "I received the message by general Gamelin. Please don't believe a single word in the dispatch".[24] The following day, the commander of the French Military Mission to Poland, General Louis Faury, informed the Polish Chief of Staff, General Wacław Stachiewicz, that the planned major offensive on the western front had to be postponed from 17 September to 20 September. On September 17, French divisions were ordered to retreat to their barracks along the Maginot Line, a withdrawal that was completed on October 17.

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Gamelin made it clear to the Supreme Allied War Council that he would not commit to an offensive, even if the Poles held out for two to three months, suggesting that previous guarantees given may have been deliberately misleading to buy the French time for a war on their own terms.^[1]

justification: The section currently is partly unsourced (the section on the withdrawal to the Maginot Line) and the quote from Bukacki is more relevant to the Polish response to the perceived betrayal, than evidence of it. Also, the given quote only seems to appear in the Polityka magazine, which itself has no citations, and all other references I could find to this either cite the same Polityka article, or this Wikipedia article. 80.238.115.65 (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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^ CIENCIALA, ANNA M. “POLAND IN BRITISH AND FRENCH POLICY IN 1939: DETERMINATION TO FIGHT—OR AVOID WAR?” The Polish Review, vol. 34, no. 3, University of Illinois Press, 1989, pp. 199–226, http://www.jstor.org/stable/25778439.

Not done for now: Your suggested edit doesn't contain all of the (sourced and valid) information present in the prior version. I'll include a citation needed tag for the unsourced parts if it's not there yet, though. If you wish to write a better version that includes all of the information, feel free to include in a comment and tag me, or include in a comment and set the edit request to non-answered again. Thanks for your suggestion. Amadeus²² 🙋 🔔 18:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "...including the rise and empowerment of the Third Reich (Nazi Germany), the rise of the Soviet Union (USSR) as a dominant superpower with control of large parts of Europe..." in the lead to

"...including the rise and empowerment of Nazi Germany, the rise of the Soviet Union as a dominant superpower with control of large parts of Europe...".

There's no need to use two names for the same thing when only one would suffice. Rousillon (talk) 18:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Nythar (talk) 04:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] CIENCIALA, ANNA M. “POLAND IN BRITISH AND FRENCH POLICY IN 1939: DETERMINATION TO FIGHT—OR AVOID WAR?” The Polish Review, vol. 34, no. 3, University of Illinois Press, 1989, pp. 199–226, http://www.jstor.org/stable/25778439.

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+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2022 ==
-== Contemporary - Syria ==
+{{edit extended-protected|Western betrayal|answered=yes}}
-Many newspapers use the term when applying to this year's refusal to intervene in the Syrian conflict.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.108.6.41|84.108.6.41]] ([[User talk:84.108.6.41|talk]]) 19:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Section 'Beginning of World War II, 1939'
-:WP:FORUM - your post has no worth to this article.[[User:HammerFilmFan|HammerFilmFan]] ([[User talk:HammerFilmFan|talk]]) 21:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
+Change:
-::Well, this article is already an embarrassment. Don't see why this suggestion would make it any worse. [[User:John K|john k]] ([[User talk:John K|talk]]) 20:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
+The Polish military envoy to France, general Stanisław Burhardt-Bukacki, upon receiving the text of the message sent by Gamelin, alerted marshal Śmigły: "I received the message by general Gamelin. Please don't believe a single word in the dispatch".[24] The following day, the commander of the French Military Mission to Poland, General Louis Faury, informed the Polish Chief of Staff, General Wacław Stachiewicz, that the planned major offensive on the western front had to be postponed from 17 September to 20 September. On September 17, French divisions were ordered to retreat to their barracks along the Maginot Line, a withdrawal that was completed on October 17.
+to
-The article is purely POV, 'Western betrayal' being not a specific historical event but a POV concept embodied in East European nationalism, so the article has no right to exist. [[User:Khamba Tendal|Khamba Tendal]] ([[User talk:Khamba Tendal|talk]]) 17:09, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
+Gamelin made it clear to the Supreme Allied War Council that he would not commit to an offensive, even if the Poles held out for two to three months, suggesting that previous guarantees given may have been deliberately misleading to buy the French time for a war on their own terms.<ref>CIENCIALA, ANNA M. “POLAND IN BRITISH AND FRENCH POLICY IN 1939: DETERMINATION TO FIGHT—OR AVOID WAR?” The Polish Review, vol. 34, no. 3, University of Illinois Press, 1989, pp. 199–226, http://www.jstor.org/stable/25778439.</ref>
-== Nowak's book ==
-http://www.wydawnictwoliterackie.pl/ksiazka/3480/Pierwsza-zdrada-Zachodu---Andrzej-Nowak [[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 06:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
-The Curzon line would have allowed the Soviets to kill thousands of Poles.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 06:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
+justification: The section currently is partly unsourced (the section on the withdrawal to the Maginot Line) and the quote from Bukacki is more relevant to the Polish response to the perceived betrayal, than evidence of it. Also, the given quote only seems to appear in the Polityka magazine, which itself has no citations, and all other references I could find to this either cite the same Polityka article, or this Wikipedia article. [[Special:Contributions/80.238.115.65|80.238.115.65]] ([[User talk:80.238.115.65|talk]]) 22:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
-== France and Britain ... did not declare war on the Soviet Union ==
+{{reflist-talk}}
-They weren't oblidged to do it, let's not mix apples of betrayal (Germany) and  oranges of realism (SU).[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 05:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> Your suggested edit doesn't contain all of the (sourced and valid) information present in the prior version. I'll include a citation needed tag for the unsourced parts if it's not there yet, though. If you wish to write a better version that includes all of the information, feel free to include in a comment and tag me, or include in a comment and set the edit request to non-answered again. Thanks for your suggestion. [[User:Amadeus1999|<span style="color: #3D5F83">'''Amadeus<sup><small>22</small></sup>'''</span>]] [[User talk:Amadeus1999|🙋]] [[Help:Notifications|🔔]] 18:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
+== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2022 ==
-== Subsection on [[Operation Unthinkable]] ==
+{{edit extended-protected|Western betrayal|answered=yes}}
-I have added this subsection. The planning of [[Operation Unthinkable]] is a source support for two issues presented in the article: that Yalta agreement was not honored by Soviet Union, up to considering military enforcement, and that the enforcement might not be realistically possible. I do not insist on keeping this section, but please discuss with me before removing. There is already a reference in the article to Operation Unthinkable, but it drums up the sensation ("enlist Nazi troops") which I think seriously distorts the issue. [[User:Szafranpl|Szafranpl]] ([[User talk:Szafranpl|talk]]) 10:21, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
+Change "...including the rise and empowerment of the Third Reich (Nazi Germany), the rise of the Soviet Union (USSR) as a dominant superpower with control of large parts of Europe..." in the lead to
+"...including the rise and empowerment of Nazi Germany, the rise of the Soviet Union as a dominant superpower with control of large parts of Europe...".
-== Section needed on modern Ukraine and the western betrayal against them with regards to the Budapest Memorandum! ==
+There's no need to use two names for the same thing when only one would suffice. [[User:Rousillon|Rousillon]] ([[User talk:Rousillon|talk]]) 18:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
-The title says it all, young independent Ukraine gave up 2500(!) inherited ex-CCCP live nuclear warheads, for security guarantee but they got a literal toilet paper undersigned by USA, UK, France and later China. None of them have fired even a blank warning shot while Vlad Putin is eating .ur alive... [[Special:Contributions/80.99.11.157|80.99.11.157]] ([[User talk:80.99.11.157|talk]])
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Nythar|Nythar]] ([[User talk:Nythar|talk]]) 04:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)