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This seems mainly text that has been deleted from teh article but people keep editing it![[User:Billlion|Billlion]] 22:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Removed offensive nonsense comment with no reference or source just bloated opinion. [[Special:Contributions/165.120.89.246|165.120.89.246]] ([[User talk:165.120.89.246|talk]]) 23:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC) Anon Editor |
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The Niazi Khel's are as following: |
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#Alam Khel |
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#Bai Khel |
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#Begu khel (Rokheri) |
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#Bhallo Khel |
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#Bori Khel |
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#Chhidroo Khel |
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#Daud Khel |
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#Daulat Khel |
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#Durgai Khel |
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#Guddi Khel |
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#Hathi Khel |
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#Isa Khel |
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#Jhangi khel |
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#Kala Khel |
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#Khanke Khel |
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#Kharotha Khel |
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#Maste Khel |
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#Mamo khel |
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#Musa Khel |
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#Pai Khel |
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#Punno Khel |
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#Mushani (of Qamar Mushani) |
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#Rokheri Khel |
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#Mochh |
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#Samand Khel |
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#Sawans |
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#Shadi Khel |
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#Shahabi Khel |
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#Shahbaz Khel |
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#Sherman Kfhel |
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#Sohrab Khel |
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#Sultan Khel |
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#Taja Khel |
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#Tarri Khel |
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#Watta Khel |
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#Yaroo Khel |
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#Zaday Khel |
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#shahdi khel |
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#usman khel |
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#Charra (Nourang Khel) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.118.231.43|216.118.231.43]] ([[User talk:216.118.231.43|talk]]) 19:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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And many small villages around Mianwali Distt, Pakistan. |
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The Afghan Niazi Tribe has produced some of the most famous people of Pakistan. |
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Some of these are: |
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*[[Gen. A.A.K. Niazi 'Tiger Niazi']] |
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*Maj Gen. (Retd.) Hidayatullah Khan Niazi, Khankikhel(Sitara-e-Jurat Twice) |
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*Maj(Retd.) Khan Bahadur Ghulam Khan Niazi Zadey Khel. M.B.E. MA, Honorary Magistrate and Assistant Commissioner Bahawalpur, Recipient of the Viceroy’s award 1919. |
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*Akram Khan Niazi, FRES Punnokhel. Founder of Atlas Group and Founding Director Bank of Punjab. |
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*[[Shaheed]] Haji [[Ikramullah Khan Paikhel]]MPA Punjab Minister Forest,Tourism,Culture,Fishries |
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*Ikramullah Khan Niazi Khankikhel [[DSP Shaheed]] |
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*[[Imran Khan Shermankhel(Pakistani cricketer)|Imran Khan Niazi]] (MNA, Ex Captain Of Pakistan Cricket Team) |
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* Inamullah Khan Niazi Shermankhel (MNA,MPA,Sher Punjab Muslim League-N) |
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*Dr.Khalid Niaz Khan Niazi (Founder of Hope Rehab, 1st Modern Orthotic and Prosthetic Artificial Limbs Centre in Pakistan) |
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* AmanUllah Khan Niazi, Khanewal(Retd Brig,Sitara jurat) |
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*Ismail Khan Niazi Sultankhel (Secretary General [[Baghochi Mahaz]]) |
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*Maulana Kauser Niazi (Ex Federal Minister for Interior PPP) |
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* Mahmood Khan Niazi Shermankhel (President U.S.A.Corporation) |
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* Late Maqbool Khan Niazi,Isa-Khel(Ex MNA Ex Federal Minister,VP Muslim League-Q) |
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*Late Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi, Khanewal(Ex MPA<Chairman Cooperative Insurance) |
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*Late Maj. Mehboob Niazi (First Sitara-i-Jurrat of Pakistan) |
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*Late Brig. Muhammad Aslam Khan Niazi, Isa-Khel |
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*Najeebullah Khan Niazi Shermankhel (MPA Punjab,Muslim League-N) |
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*Saeed Akhtar Khan Khankikhel (Member Power) |
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*Saleemullah Khan Niazi Paikhel (MPA Punjab) |
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*Dr. Sher Afgan Niazi Watta khel(MNA, Federal Minister for Parliamentary Affairs) |
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*Late Soofi Ayyaz Khan Niazi(VP Tehreeq e Khatm-e-Nabowwat, JUP Saddar Sindh) |
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*Ubaidullah Khan Shadikhel (MNA, [[Nazim Mianwali District]] |
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Some scholars and poets, such as Muneer Niazi, Dr Ajmal Niazi, Ehsan Kaleem Niazi and Maulana Kauser Niazi(Ex Minister, PPP Govt) have narrated their thoughts in the shape of poetry in Urdu and Siraiki language. Sohna Khan Baywas, Ejaz Tishna, Farooq Rokhery and Mazher Niazi are currently active in Siraiki poetry. |
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Singers created Siraiki songs and expressing Niazi culture in pakistan include: |
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# [[Attaullah Khan Niazi, Essa-Khelvi]] |
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# Atta Muhammad Khan Niazi, Daud-Khel |
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# ShafaUllah Khan Niazi, Rokheri |
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# Ayub Niazi, Zaday-Khel |
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# HikmatUllah Khan Niazi, Daud-Khel |
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# Manzoor Khan Niazi, Wata-Khelvi |
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# Asgher, Bori-Khel |
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# Gul, Tari-Khel |
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== Problem with lead == |
== Problem with lead == |
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Removing the language(s) the Niazi speak doesn't seem to be a good idea. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 05:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC) |
Removing the language(s) the Niazi speak doesn't seem to be a good idea. [[User:Badagnani|Badagnani]] ([[User talk:Badagnani|talk]]) 05:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC) |
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<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Iqbalniazi|Iqbalniazi]] ([[User talk:Iqbalniazi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Iqbalniazi|contribs]]) 21:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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which language? pashto? i speak pashto. we are niazi's from kohat. our whole village speaks pushto. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.158.120.17|119.158.120.17]] ([[User talk:119.158.120.17|talk]]) 13:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Verification and general accessiblity == |
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Wichara Watan By Harish Chander Nakra, New Delhi, India |
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--[[User:KhanAsfandeyar|KhanAsfandeyar]] ([[User talk:KhanAsfandeyar|talk]]) 17:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
--[[User:KhanAsfandeyar|KhanAsfandeyar]] ([[User talk:KhanAsfandeyar|talk]]) 17:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Notable Members == |
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{{user|JohnCengiz77}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Niazi&diff=431340799&oldid=431305435 removed] a large chunk of content from the Notable People section in this article. I undid his revision as there are several Generals, Federal Ministers, and Senators listed that he removed. JohnCengiz77 then [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Niazi&diff=431344146&oldid=431343221 reverted] my edit stating that "Niazi's with an article are listed, otherwise they aren't notable." This simply isn't how WP works. Not having an article doesn't imply that a subject is not notable just like [[WP:INN|having an article doesn't imply notability]]. I believe this to be the basic concept of [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. John, do you have any counter argument? [[User:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Ol<span style="color:#FBB117;">Yeller</span></span>]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Talktome</span>]]</sup> 15:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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*The edits made by {{user|86.23.59.8}} are very poorly written, unwikified, and mostly lack notability. Every now and again, a user will make these unhelpful edits, also tribal boasting too. If someone has no coverage on any wikipedia article, they are not going to be included in a list of people sharing a name on wikipedia. [[User:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">John Cengiz</span>]] [[User talk:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]] 16:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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:I've seen lots of tribal boasting but there seem to be some subjects in this list with a claim of notability (federal Ministers, senators, and possibly Generals depending on their military structure). I'm not saying that the whole list is full of notable people but at least a portion of them need examined. As for not having coverage on WP, again, that doesn't mean anything. Per [[WP:NOTESAL]], not everyone in lists of notable people have to have an article. I'd give [[List of Ohio State University people]] as an example but I'm not sure that listing other pages really means anything per [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]]. While the edits may not be formatted to your liking (I agree, they're not pretty), that doesn't mean they should be deleted. This project isn't finished and poorly formatted information shouldn't be removed for that reason alone. |
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:Here's my proposal, because I'm not willing to go through the list one by one to determine notability, because I don't think it's fair to require you to, and to discourage anons from boasting, how about we move the list to the talk page for someone to go over in the future. [[User:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Ol<span style="color:#FBB117;">Yeller</span></span>]]'''<sup>[[User_talk:OlYeller21|<span style="color:#827839;">Talktome</span>]]</sup> 16:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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::Good idea. [[User:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">John Cengiz</span>]] [[User talk:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]] 17:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Removed content and title of contestation as user: [[User:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">John Cengiz</span>]] [[User talk:JohnCengiz77|<span style="color:green;">talk</span>]] couldn't be bothered to actually understand that you dont need to be on Wikipedia to be a notable person. |
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The people on that list described as non notables are actually Googalable, for example; |
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Gul Hameed Khan Rohr: i is a Former Minister for Finance and Land and is currently a Member of Parliament for Pakistan: <ref>http://www.pap.gov.pk/index.php/members/profile/en/9/139,</ref> |
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Colonel Retired Abdul Rab Khan Niazi (SJ) has a military unit named after him: <ref>http://pakdef.org/7th-battalion-the-frontier-force-regiment-7-ff/ |
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The (late) Aamir Hayat Khan Niazi was a member of parliament and president of the Pakistan Squash Federation : <ref>http://tribune.com.pk/story/313564/pml-n-leader-amir-hayat-rokhri-succumbs-to-heart-failure/</ref> |
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Lt. General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi has 1 books written to his name a quick wikipedia search would have solved your query: <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Abdullah_Khan_Niazi |
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Isa Khan Niazi (Afghan Amir) : Is part of the history of the sub continent, do you even google bro? |
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[[Special:Contributions/109.159.191.147|109.159.191.147]] ([[User talk:109.159.191.147|talk]]) 12:21, 7 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2022 == |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Niazi|answered=yes}} |
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Gulzaib Khan Niazi |
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Principal and Biology lecturer at the age of 21 only |
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The youngest Principal and Professor ever in the world [[Special:Contributions/103.169.64.101|103.169.64.101]] ([[User talk:103.169.64.101|talk]]) 16:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 17:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2023 == |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Niazi|answered=yes}} |
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For notable people section add |
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* [[Sidra Niazi]], Pakistani Television Actress who appears in various [[Pakistani dramas|Pakistani Drama Television Series]] [[Special:Contributions/49.183.16.232|49.183.16.232]] ([[User talk:49.183.16.232|talk]]) 15:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Actualcpscm|Actualcpscm]] ([[User talk:Actualcpscm|talk]]) 21:35, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2023 == |
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* [[Naheed Niazi|Naheen Niazi]], [[Pakistanis|Pakistani]] [[Lollywood]] Singer [[Special:Contributions/49.183.16.232|49.183.16.232]] ([[User talk:49.183.16.232|talk]]) 16:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:DRAGON BOOSTER|<span style="color:blue;size=2">DRAGON BOOSTER</span>]][[User talk:DRAGON BOOSTER|<span style="color:#33dd44;size=2"> ★</span>]] 18:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2023 == |
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Remove Saifora Niazi from the list. She is an ethnic Tajik (https://afghan-bios.info/index.php?option=com_afghanbios&id=1246&task=view&total=3600&start=2331&Itemid=2). [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.91|192.76.8.91]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.91|talk]]) 17:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC) |
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: [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{Tlx|Edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> From what I can tell, the list is for people with the surname Niazi, not limited to certain ethnicities. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 21:15, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== Remove non-native languages == |
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Our native language is Pashto. It does not make sense to include languages other than this just because some may speak it. Following that logic we may as well include Dari, English, German, Russian, etc. since there those that speak these. |
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I also remember the page only having Pashto listed before, which was correct until all these other languages were included. [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:A5B:8700:2598:2D23:2094:3048|2607:FEA8:A5B:8700:2598:2D23:2094:3048]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:A5B:8700:2598:2D23:2094:3048|talk]]) 21:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Petty politics, nothing else. I myself have tried to sort out this issue before but my edits always got defaced by Punjabi nationalists. They don't know anything about Niazi tribe and even claim that they are Punjabi at times. I had to give up eventually because no matter what I did, they just rolled it back or edited it. [[User:JoycesUllysses|JoycesUllysses]] ([[User talk:JoycesUllysses|talk]]) 08:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== niazi == |
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how many reletives does niazi have [[Special:Contributions/31.208.29.124|31.208.29.124]] ([[User talk:31.208.29.124|talk]]) 14:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Request for Semi-Protection == |
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The page is routinely getting vandalised and was even marked as an article that "needs citations" and there are credible sources in the reference section already. I used to edit it before (even requested the mods to change its status to a semi-protected page and they did) but I've stopped editing it now due to constant vandalism by exclusively 2-3 users. It would be great if they can be investigated for sockpuppetry too. I am afraid that it will go back to being a playground for trolls like it used to be before. |
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[[User:JoycesUllysses|JoycesUllysses]] ([[User talk:JoycesUllysses|talk]]) 04:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Removed offensive nonsense comment with no reference or source just bloated opinion. 165.120.89.246 (talk) 23:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC) Anon Editor
Problem with lead
[edit]Why is the term "Niazi" (the subject of this article) not mentioned in the lead at all? Badagnani (talk) 02:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Language(s)
[edit]Removing the language(s) the Niazi speak doesn't seem to be a good idea. Badagnani (talk) 05:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Iqbalniazi (talk • contribs) 21:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC) which language? pashto? i speak pashto. we are niazi's from kohat. our whole village speaks pushto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.158.120.17 (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Verification and general accessiblity
[edit]History of Niazi Clan and Pathan's can be sourced from the following books:
The Pathans – 550 BC - AD 1957 by Sir Olaf Caroe, 1958, Macmillan Company ,Reprinted Oxford University Press, 2003
The Hisotry of the Great Mougouls, Pringle Kenndey
Gazetter of the Mianwali district 1915 by Sang-e-Meel Publications, Lahore, Pakistan
Tareekh-e-Niazi Qabail
Tareekh-e-Alvi Awan
Wichara Watan By Harish Chander Nakra, New Delhi, India --KhanAsfandeyar (talk) 17:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Notable Members
[edit]JohnCengiz77 (talk · contribs) removed a large chunk of content from the Notable People section in this article. I undid his revision as there are several Generals, Federal Ministers, and Senators listed that he removed. JohnCengiz77 then reverted my edit stating that "Niazi's with an article are listed, otherwise they aren't notable." This simply isn't how WP works. Not having an article doesn't imply that a subject is not notable just like having an article doesn't imply notability. I believe this to be the basic concept of WP:OTHERSTUFF. John, do you have any counter argument? OlYellerTalktome 15:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- The edits made by 86.23.59.8 (talk · contribs) are very poorly written, unwikified, and mostly lack notability. Every now and again, a user will make these unhelpful edits, also tribal boasting too. If someone has no coverage on any wikipedia article, they are not going to be included in a list of people sharing a name on wikipedia. John Cengiz talk 16:24, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've seen lots of tribal boasting but there seem to be some subjects in this list with a claim of notability (federal Ministers, senators, and possibly Generals depending on their military structure). I'm not saying that the whole list is full of notable people but at least a portion of them need examined. As for not having coverage on WP, again, that doesn't mean anything. Per WP:NOTESAL, not everyone in lists of notable people have to have an article. I'd give List of Ohio State University people as an example but I'm not sure that listing other pages really means anything per WP:OTHERSTUFF. While the edits may not be formatted to your liking (I agree, they're not pretty), that doesn't mean they should be deleted. This project isn't finished and poorly formatted information shouldn't be removed for that reason alone.
- Here's my proposal, because I'm not willing to go through the list one by one to determine notability, because I don't think it's fair to require you to, and to discourage anons from boasting, how about we move the list to the talk page for someone to go over in the future. OlYellerTalktome 16:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
- Good idea. John Cengiz talk 17:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Removed content and title of contestation as user: John Cengiz talk couldn't be bothered to actually understand that you dont need to be on Wikipedia to be a notable person.
The people on that list described as non notables are actually Googalable, for example;
Gul Hameed Khan Rohr: i is a Former Minister for Finance and Land and is currently a Member of Parliament for Pakistan: [1]
Colonel Retired Abdul Rab Khan Niazi (SJ) has a military unit named after him: [2] The (late) Aamir Hayat Khan Niazi was a member of parliament and president of the Pakistan Squash Federation : [3]
Lt. General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi has 1 books written to his name a quick wikipedia search would have solved your query: [4] Isa Khan Niazi (Afghan Amir) : Is part of the history of the sub continent, do you even google bro?
109.159.191.147 (talk) 12:21, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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Gulzaib Khan Niazi Principal and Biology lecturer at the age of 21 only The youngest Principal and Professor ever in the world 103.169.64.101 (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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For notable people section add
- Sidra Niazi, Pakistani Television Actress who appears in various Pakistani Drama Television Series 49.183.16.232 (talk) 15:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
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Remove Saifora Niazi from the list. She is an ethnic Tajik (https://afghan-bios.info/index.php?option=com_afghanbios&id=1246&task=view&total=3600&start=2331&Itemid=2). 192.76.8.91 (talk) 17:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the
{{Edit semi-protected}}
template. From what I can tell, the list is for people with the surname Niazi, not limited to certain ethnicities. RudolfRed (talk) 21:15, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Remove non-native languages
[edit]Our native language is Pashto. It does not make sense to include languages other than this just because some may speak it. Following that logic we may as well include Dari, English, German, Russian, etc. since there those that speak these.
I also remember the page only having Pashto listed before, which was correct until all these other languages were included. 2607:FEA8:A5B:8700:2598:2D23:2094:3048 (talk) 21:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Petty politics, nothing else. I myself have tried to sort out this issue before but my edits always got defaced by Punjabi nationalists. They don't know anything about Niazi tribe and even claim that they are Punjabi at times. I had to give up eventually because no matter what I did, they just rolled it back or edited it. JoycesUllysses (talk) 08:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
niazi
[edit]how many reletives does niazi have 31.208.29.124 (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Request for Semi-Protection
[edit]The page is routinely getting vandalised and was even marked as an article that "needs citations" and there are credible sources in the reference section already. I used to edit it before (even requested the mods to change its status to a semi-protected page and they did) but I've stopped editing it now due to constant vandalism by exclusively 2-3 users. It would be great if they can be investigated for sockpuppetry too. I am afraid that it will go back to being a playground for trolls like it used to be before.
- Start-Class Pakistan articles
- Low-importance Pakistan articles
- WikiProject Pakistan articles
- Start-Class Afghanistan articles
- Low-importance Afghanistan articles
- WikiProject Afghanistan articles
- Start-Class Pashtun articles
- Mid-importance Pashtun articles
- WikiProject Pashtun articles
- Talk pages of subject pages with paid contributions