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== Largest indoor natural rock climbing wall in North America ==

I find it highly doubtful that Lindseth is, in fact, the "largest indoor natural rock climbing wall in North America". Lindseth is not that big. [[Special:Contributions/72.0.150.238|72.0.150.238]] ([[User talk:72.0.150.238|talk]]) 04:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

== Does John Cleese truly represent "Famous current and former Cornell faculty"? ==

Cleese has been represented in the article as "Famous current and former Cornell faculty" for quite a long time, and I think it's misleading. I wonder if anyone else feels the same. Cleese's appointment is "Professor at Large," and later "Provost’s Visiting Professor." As I understand it, he doesn't teach any class on the schedule that you could actually take. He shows up once a year to give a public lecture and maybe visits a class of his choosing. According to [https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2018/10/new-book-john-cleese-his-element-cornell this article] he visited seven times between 1999-2007. He has none of the responsibilities of an actual faculty member, in the sense of publishing, teaching, advising, etc. However, I'm not on campus. Does it really feel to the students like Cleese is part of Cornell? - [[User:Kzirkel|Kzirkel]] ([[User talk:Kzirkel|talk]]) 15:23, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

== Worldwide prestige? ==

An unregistered editor would like to insert the following sentence into the lede of this article: "Cornell is considered one of the most prestigious universities in the world."

The lede is supposed to be a high-level summary of the information in the body of the article and I don't think that the material in the body support this statement. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 02:33, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
:Why is it mentioned in Columbia's Wikipedia opening paragraph then? Columbia's is mentioned in the lede as well. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.116.63.222|172.116.63.222]] ([[User talk:172.116.63.222#top|talk]]) 02:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::I don't know; this isn't the Talk page for that article so it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that you're edit warring to add material that is not supported by the sources you're citing or what is in the body of the article. If you want to make a strong, sweeping claim then you need equally strong, sweeping evidence; cherry picking a few years of ranking data is nowhere sufficient (nor is it in line with our policies about [[WP:N|neutrality]] and [[WP:OR|no original research]]). [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

:Also, in Harvard's Wikipedia it says this: Established in 1636 and named for its first benefactor, clergyman John Harvard, Harvard is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States[6] and among the most prestigious in the world.[7] Why did people delete my comment about Cornell? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.116.63.222|172.116.63.222]] ([[User talk:172.116.63.222#top|talk]]) 02:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::There has been extensive discussion in that article's Talk page about this exact topic; I encourage you to read it. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

:Would you please reinsert my suggestion? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.116.63.222|172.116.63.222]] ([[User talk:172.116.63.222#top|talk]]) 02:52, 7 November 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Stop edit warring. You're liable to be blocked from editing if you continue this behavior. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 05:22, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
:::As [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] has said, other page's discussions are irrelevant here (although one can discuss general guidelines from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Higher education|WikiProject Higher education]] if there are applicable ones. The bar to claim "one of the most prestigious universities in the world" is pretty high, so it is on the user that claims it to present evidence that it meets that bar. A few citations from ranking pages are not enough in my opinion, and the bar has yet to be met. It should be removed until then.[[User:Eccekevin|Eccekevin]] ([[User talk:Eccekevin|talk]]) 22:56, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
::"one of the most prestigious universities" ... this kind of language is so transparently marketing-oriented, and the phrasing "one of" is so vague as to be meaningless. According to whom, compared to what? It's not only inappropriate for wikipedia ... frankly it's a bit insulting to Cornell. The rankings and lists of prestigious faculty, awards, and alumni tell the story. - [[User:Kzirkel|Kzirkel]] ([[User talk:Kzirkel|talk]]) 13:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
:::It's not unreasonable for the lede of an article to have broad statements that summarize what is in the body of an article. I just don't see that this particular article has information in the body that supports this particular statement. [[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] ([[User talk:ElKevbo|talk]]) 14:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
::::Concur. What User:ElKevbo is getting at is that if you look at other universities, the information in the lead paragraphs needs to closely track the body of the article (especially when it's making highly contentious claims about the university in comparison to other universities). If the body of the article establishes that a university is frequently ranked among the top universities in the world, it is okay to say that. But "prestigious" is a highly subjective concept and is much more difficult to support unless you have sources that specifically say that. If you are trying to characterize a university as prestigious ''because'' it is highly ranked, that is original research in violation of core policy [[Wikipedia:No original research]] unless the body of the article already cites (or even better, quotes) reliable sources that specifically make that connection. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 14:11, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
:::::Agree with everything said above. --[[User:Drevolt|Drevolt]] ([[User talk:Drevolt|talk]]) 04:13, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
:I'm open to some general characterization of Cornell's prestige in the lead, per [[WP:HIGHEREDREP]] (let's please use the extensively discussed precedent rather than repeating arguments), but it'll need sources, and none have been provided so far. I also share Kzirkel's concern that "one of" is too vague. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 06:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
As marketing it falls flat and makes the uni sound less prestigious than it actually is. It's an Ivy League institution and if a reader doesn't know what that implies they can click on the link. [[User:Itsmejudith|Itsmejudith]] ([[User talk:Itsmejudith|talk]]) 15:33, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

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Former featured articleCornell University is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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