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== Not a "Visionary". == |
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''Early Engineering Reminiscenses (1815-1840) of George Escol Sellers'' U.S. National Museum Bulletin 238, includes an article by Sellers on Evans. Sellers recalled a first hand experience, a carriage ride about 1818, in which Sellers related Evans' accounts. He very specifically mentions that Evans denounced Benjamin Latrobe for a 1803 report on prospects for steam-powered transportation, and said Latrobe "alluded to him (Evans) as a visonary, siezed with steam mania, in conceiving and believing that boats and wagons could be propelled by steam to advantage." Looking in to it, in Evans time the term "visionary" was essentially equivalent to "delusional". I have accordingly substituted one word in the article, which I hope Evans would appreciate more. Evans believed the Latrobe article proved to be a great hinderence in the adoption of steam power. |
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Is there a citation for this quote? I see him as very different to Watt and really rather closer to being "the Trevithick of America", with their shared push for higher working pressures. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 13:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC) |
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The Latrobe article is available on-line as a .pdf of the original imprint, found in Transactions of the American Philosophical Society, 1809, vol. 6, pp 89-98. The article will reveal an association with Nicholas Roosevelt, who built engines for Fulton and Livingston that disproved the Latrobe thesis prior to the 1809 publication. [[User:Tomligon|Tomligon]] ([[User talk:Tomligon|talk]]) 21:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :Yes, if you have a look at the [http://www.sil.si.edu/digitalcollections/hst/scientific-identity/fullsize/SIL14-E2-09a.jpg uncropped version of the portrait] you will see the phrase at the bottom there. I have no information on who exactly first coined the term (after my work on Evans I would not be surprised if the inventor himself suggested it), but nevertheless if you Google "The Watt of America" you will see the saying has stuck and it's even an [http://archive.is/A4cmO#selection-167.0-167.26 official variant term] for Evans at the Library of Congress. Regardless of the fact that you are quite right in that it is probably not a very apt comparison. [[User:Unus Multorum|Unus Multorum]] ([[User talk:Unus Multorum|talk]]) 21:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Missing words == |
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== Source of the Railroad Quote, ca 1814 == |
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At [[Oliver Evans#Developing the High-Pressure Steam Engine, 1801–1806]] {{xt|Each valve independently operated one of four cams}} - should this be {{xt|Each valve was independently operated by one of four cams}} --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 14:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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Writing under the pseudonym of Patrick N. I. Elisha, esq,, Oliver Evans published ''Patent Right Oppression Exposed, or Knavery Detected'', publication listed as "Philadelphia booksellers," 1814. The book is a satire, occasionally compared to Mark Twain. From this comes his famous quotation predicting railroads, often dated as 1812 or 1813. I am in the process of trying to find an affordable copy to verify the source of the extracted on-line versions of this famous quotation. The full version apparently runs four paragraphs, should be nicely past copyright and in public domain, and is so wonderfully visio .... ooops, prophetic that it should be available in the main article so that a solid referenced source is finally readily available. [[User:Tomligon|Tomligon]] ([[User talk:Tomligon|talk]]) 22:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC) |
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:Yes. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 14:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC) |
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== Refrigeration again == |
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{{ping|Unus Multorum}} I'm curious as to why you deleted the Refrigeration section. I have no axe to grind either way but the info had a reference and seems germane to the topic. [[User:Philg88|<span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄</span>]] <sup>♦[[User_talk:Philg88|talk]]</sup> 16:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Philg88}} Hi Philg88, actually I did not remove the section on refrigeration as it is very interesting, but I moved to be a subsection under the 1801-1806 period when he first developed the ideas, and added a few more sources to verify the information. Thanks for your interest, I'm going to work on this to get it to GA and perhaps even FA status, so I hope you like the way its going so far! [[User:Unus Multorum|Unus Multorum]] ([[User talk:Unus Multorum|talk]]) 22:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Unus Multorum}}: Ah ... I see. I've left a comment on your talk page. Cheers, [[User:Philg88|<span style="color:#646464; font-weight:bold; font-size:11px; border:2px solid #FFCC33;background-color:#cde0fc; padding: 2px 10px;">► Philg88 ◄</span>]] <sup>♦[[User_talk:Philg88|talk]]</sup> 04:11, 7 April 2014 (UTC) |
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the wordage used in this article is not encyclopedic. |
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we're going to rewrite it and remove the purple prose. [[User:Augmented Seventh|Augmented Seventh]] ([[User talk:Augmented Seventh|talk]]) 15:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :Yes, if you have a look at the [http://www.sil.si.edu/digitalcollections/hst/scientific-identity/fullsize/SIL14-E2-09a.jpg uncropped version of the portrait] you will see the phrase at the bottom there. I have no information on who exactly first coined the term (after my work on Evans I would not be surprised if the inventor himself suggested it), but nevertheless if you Google "The Watt of America" you will see the saying has stuck and it's even an [http://archive.is/A4cmO#selection-167.0-167.26 official variant term] for Evans at the Library of Congress. Regardless of the fact that you are quite right in that it is probably not a very apt comparison. [[User:Unus Multorum|Unus Multorum]] ([[User talk:Unus Multorum|talk]]) 21:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC) |
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"The Watt of America"
[edit]Is there a citation for this quote? I see him as very different to Watt and really rather closer to being "the Trevithick of America", with their shared push for higher working pressures. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, if you have a look at the uncropped version of the portrait you will see the phrase at the bottom there. I have no information on who exactly first coined the term (after my work on Evans I would not be surprised if the inventor himself suggested it), but nevertheless if you Google "The Watt of America" you will see the saying has stuck and it's even an official variant term for Evans at the Library of Congress. Regardless of the fact that you are quite right in that it is probably not a very apt comparison. Unus Multorum (talk) 21:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Missing words
[edit]At Oliver Evans#Developing the High-Pressure Steam Engine, 1801–1806 Each valve independently operated one of four cams - should this be Each valve was independently operated by one of four cams --Redrose64 (talk) 14:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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[edit]the wordage used in this article is not encyclopedic.
we're going to rewrite it and remove the purple prose. Augmented Seventh (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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