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== Highly debated meaning of Lousiville's: "Gateway to the South" moniker ==


I'm a native Louisvillian and growing up I remember people going round after round on the origin of this moniker regarding which side of the gateway was Louisville in. I found there is a documented history of this phrase.
== Explanation of new sections ==
I've set up the article into sections by century. I'm not sure if this is the best idea really, consider [[History of New York City]], [[History of Boston]], [[History of Miami]] - every one has a different scheme going (and the last one is a FA). But for now let's see how it goes. I am thinking there will be 3 subsections to each section except the earliest, the 19th century will eventually have a subsection for Louisville during the Civil War, I think. But since that isn't written yet, I am not sure how much space it will need. Anyway, that's where I'm going with all of this... --[[User:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 17:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


The first record of Louisville being referred to as the "Gateway to the South" comes from the famed Courier-Journal editor Henry Watterson in 1895 as he was addressing the GAR encampment (Union Veterans). Sourcing can be found in the '''Introduction''' of Anne Marshall's dissertation "“A STRANGE CONCLUSION TO A TRIUMPHANT WAR”: MEMORY, IDENTITY AND THE CREATION OF A CONFEDERATE KENTUCKY, 1865- 1925" as a requirement for a Doctor of Philosophy at the University of Georgia. [https://getd.libs.uga.edu/pdfs/marshall_anne_e_200412_phd.pdf] The dissertation eventually went to print as "Creating a Confederate Kentucky: The Lost Cause and Civil War Memory in a Border State. [3]https://uncpress.org/book/9781469609836/creating-a-confederate-kentucky/
:This construct looks pretty good to me. We can always make adjustments later if needed. By the way, I am working with a Civil War author to create a Creative Commons article re: Louisville during the Civil War on his website, and a subsection and article here can be built from that. &mdash; [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:white; background-color: green;">&nbsp;'''Stevie is the man!'''&nbsp;</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 18:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Here is the original quote from Henry Watterson:
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"Standing before an immense crowd at the opening of the 1895 Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) encampment in Louisville, Kentucky, Courier-Journal editor in chief Henry Watterson delivered words of welcome, proclaiming, “It is . . . with a kind of exultation that I fling open '''the Gateway to the South!'''”
Just found this: [http://books.google.com/books?id=DNRnXh2aAGQC]. It's a (I think) fully online book about Louisville during WW2. I don't have time to read it right now, but I thought I'd mention it here... seems like a good resource. --[[User:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 00:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


According to Marshall Henry Watterson was speaking from a southern city's point of view which he was successfully promoting at the time.
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"Many in attendance noted the irony of an ex Confederate soldier and eminent New South spokesman offering his greetings to Union veterans. What many listeners may not have noticed, however, was the manner in which Watterson cast Kentucky’s wartime position, even as he extended his wishes for sectional reconciliation. “You came, and we resisted you,” he said of Kentucky’s wartime response to men in blue, “you come and we greet you; for times change and men change with them. You will find here no sign of the battle; not a reminiscence of its passion. Grim visaged war has smoothed his wrinkled front . . ..”
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The following clause doesn't make sense to me: "However, most cargo was still sending much more cargo downstream in the early 19th century...". Is there a word askew in there somewhere? By the way, thanks W.marsh for all the new content. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 18:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'll fix it. I've finally gotten some energy to work on this article... hoping to get through the 19th century today... using Yater's book as a reference. I'm a bit worried about over-citation of it, though it is the definitive work to be citing. --[[User:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 18:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


She also points out the irony of this quote due to Louisville's support of the Union during the war. She continues:
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"Along with many of his fellow white Kentuckians, Watterson seemed to overlook the fact that his home city stood with the Union during the Civil War, and had served as a major supply center for the Union Army. Furthermore, Union veterans would have only had to wander a few blocks to the intersection of Louisville’s Third and Shipp Streets to see an unmistakable “reminiscence of passion,” a towering Confederate monument erected just a few months earlier."
:Do you actually doubt any of the claims? Or have you not read them and just want more references to serve as decorations? I see nothing to suggest you did more than count the number of superscript blue numbers. --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 17:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Marshall's sourcing came from the Filson Historical Society
:The article could probably use a few more inline citations, but I totally agree that the article's lead is not at GA-level. Its delisting isn't a big surprise to me. At any rate, I've put out a WikiProject Louisville alert to let everyone know about it and maybe we'll see some work done here soon. I myself don't have much time for Wikipedia right now -- I wish I did, especially for helping to fix this very important article for Louisville. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 17:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
"Henry Watterson, “Address of Welcome to be delivered to the Grand Army of the Republic on Behalf of the City of Louisville,” Henry Watterson Papers, Speech Collection, Filson Club Historical Society, Louisville, Ky." So there you have it. [[User:Funmountainlion|Funmountainlion]] ([[User talk:Funmountainlion|talk]]) 20:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::I have no desire to work on it if it's just to be reviewed by people who apparently don't even read the article, just skim for number of references. --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 17:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::Well, there's no rush required. Besides, the lead is indeed problematic, so the delisting is appropriate. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 17:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::* I've been working on the [[Andrew Horne]] page, but I'll see what I can do in getting some more references in the second half of the article like mentioned. '''Edit''', There are no references listed from '''Civil War''' on down in the article, over half the sections. I realize that some of these sections are based from other articles in wikipedia; but they still need references. I added two for now, The article needs a lot of nick picking and will take some time to fix it up. [[User:Jahnx|<font color="blue">'''Jahnx'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Jahnx|talk]]) 07:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:Although I didn't read the entire article, I did look over most of it. The article does need to meet the required [[WP:WIAGA|criteria]] to maintain it GA status, and because the last half of the article isn't sourced, it had to be delisted. If you'd like, I can go through the article and point out each occurrence that should be cited (if interested, alert me on my talk page). Also, once you believe you have addressed all of the requirements of the criteria, let me know when you renominate it and I'll review it myself so you can avoid the month+ backlog at [[WP:GAN]]. If you have any questions, leave me a message on my talk page and I'll be happy to assist in returning this article to GA quality. --[[User:Nehrams2020|Nehrams2020]] ([[User talk:Nehrams2020|talk]]) 10:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::Do you actually doubt these claims, or do you just want references for the sake of decoration? As long as you apparently don't care about the quality or accuracy of the references, but just want the precious blue superscript numbers after "enough" sentences... I'm not going to be working on this article. Please read [[WP:V]], it only requires references for ''challenged'' claims. I also suggest you stop doing "sweeps" reviews until you can be bothered to actually read the articles! --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 15:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::* The references are needed, I have read this article before and believe the accuracy is good on the subject. However without the proof of the materials then the article could be entirely frabicated. Most of the references needed can be found in other articles on wikipedia. We can spend less time bickering over who reviewed it and what they found wrong with it and spend more time getting it back to GA. [[User:Jahnx|<font color="blue">'''Jahnx'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Jahnx|talk]]) 02:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::::*GA is utterly pointless, especially if the reviewers admit they don't even read the articles, just do a robotic scan for superscript blue numbers. The article needs improvement, but not references for the sake of references. I could have made up all the stuff cited to pages of an obscure history book, I doubt anyone's checking. References don't guarantee accuracy... accuracy guarantees accuracy. --[[User talk:W.marsh|W.marsh]] 03:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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Highly debated meaning of Lousiville's: "Gateway to the South" moniker

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I'm a native Louisvillian and growing up I remember people going round after round on the origin of this moniker regarding which side of the gateway was Louisville in. I found there is a documented history of this phrase.

The first record of Louisville being referred to as the "Gateway to the South" comes from the famed Courier-Journal editor Henry Watterson in 1895 as he was addressing the GAR encampment (Union Veterans). Sourcing can be found in the Introduction of Anne Marshall's dissertation "“A STRANGE CONCLUSION TO A TRIUMPHANT WAR”: MEMORY, IDENTITY AND THE CREATION OF A CONFEDERATE KENTUCKY, 1865- 1925" as a requirement for a Doctor of Philosophy at the University of Georgia. [1] The dissertation eventually went to print as "Creating a Confederate Kentucky: The Lost Cause and Civil War Memory in a Border State. [3]https://uncpress.org/book/9781469609836/creating-a-confederate-kentucky/

Here is the original quote from Henry Watterson: "Standing before an immense crowd at the opening of the 1895 Grand Army of the Republic (GAR) encampment in Louisville, Kentucky, Courier-Journal editor in chief Henry Watterson delivered words of welcome, proclaiming, “It is . . . with a kind of exultation that I fling open the Gateway to the South!”

According to Marshall Henry Watterson was speaking from a southern city's point of view which he was successfully promoting at the time.

"Many in attendance noted the irony of an ex Confederate soldier and eminent New South spokesman offering his greetings to Union veterans. What many listeners may not have noticed, however, was the manner in which Watterson cast Kentucky’s wartime position, even as he extended his wishes for sectional reconciliation. “You came, and we resisted you,” he said of Kentucky’s wartime response to men in blue, “you come and we greet you; for times change and men change with them. You will find here no sign of the battle; not a reminiscence of its passion. Grim visaged war has smoothed his wrinkled front . . ..”

She also points out the irony of this quote due to Louisville's support of the Union during the war. She continues:

"Along with many of his fellow white Kentuckians, Watterson seemed to overlook the fact that his home city stood with the Union during the Civil War, and had served as a major supply center for the Union Army. Furthermore, Union veterans would have only had to wander a few blocks to the intersection of Louisville’s Third and Shipp Streets to see an unmistakable “reminiscence of passion,” a towering Confederate monument erected just a few months earlier."

Marshall's sourcing came from the Filson Historical Society "Henry Watterson, “Address of Welcome to be delivered to the Grand Army of the Republic on Behalf of the City of Louisville,” Henry Watterson Papers, Speech Collection, Filson Club Historical Society, Louisville, Ky." So there you have it. Funmountainlion (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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