Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Courtney Woods (2nd nomination)

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The result was merge‎ to List of Doctor Who supporting characters. I'm not seeing any clear SIGCOV; all sources presented have been rebutted as insufficient. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Courtney Woods

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Non-notable character, incredibly minor side character who appears as in three episodes. Fails WP:NCHARACTER and GNG Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Fictional elements, and Science fiction and fantasy. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:09, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:18, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
• Questions Not so sure, there are some sources. Would this publication count as a reliable source? Likewise the character appears in Women in Doctor Who: Damsels, Feminists and Monsters, but I cannot see the extent. Can anyone else? There's also Gender and the Quest in British Science Fiction Television, pp. 186, 206-207, [1] and [2]. Daranios (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

  That pdf appears to be a student paper, so I would say no. What Culture is unreliable and that Digital Spy listicle is just a basic plot summary. The second book doesnt seem great either. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 11:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

  the books don't seem like significant coverage, mentions don't contribute to notability Indagate (talk) 09:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

  There's not just a mention in the book, but also commentary. Similarly, Doctor Who - Twelfth Night focusses on analyzing the episode "Kill the Moon", but beyond a mere mention has brief analysis on Courtney as the Maiden. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete not notable character. Indagate (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to, I guess, List of Doctor Who supporting characters or keep. I don't quite agree that Gender and the Quest... "doesnt seem great either", and we have the short reception section already, so I am on the fence about notability as long as I don't get more input about Women in Doctor Who or additional sources. In any case, even if this character should not be notable in it's own right, we still have this reception section based on secondary sources which should be WP:PRESERVEd, not lost in deletion. No advantage for the reader whatsoever there. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, based on Daranios finding coverage in two books published by the reputable McFarland & Company press. There is also coverage of the character in this PhD dissertation. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

  They were published by a reputable publisher, but only mentions. PhD dissertation isn't a reliable source so doesn't contribute to notability. Indagate (talk) 09:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:RS, Care should be exercised with PhD dissertations, but they can be used. This is not an example of a hard sciences dissertation that is mostly primary source data collection; rather, it's a humanities dissertation that better resembles the secondary source analysis found in monographs. This dissertation specifically is about reception (seen in their fan-generated reviews and creative productions), establishing the character's real-world notability. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 09:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't see a consensus here yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to List of Doctor Who supporting characters - Not seeing enough juice in the sources here to meet WP:GNG. Part of the awkwardness is that List of Doctor Who supporting characters is a mediocre merge target. Other related list articles (like List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens or List of companions in Doctor Who spin-offs) include paragraphs for each list entries, where the merge target currently functions primarily as a list of lists. But I don't think that's a good reason not to merge there, with no prejudice to splitting off these human/supporting characters into List of Doctor Who universe human characters or similar. Suriname0 (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

  The supporting characters list is in dire need of a rewrite. In any case, at worst the page history would be preserved there, so future editors can take sources from the page history for use here. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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