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== Right-of-way prose is scattered == |
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Really needs a disambiguation instead of this. --[[User:Edcolins|Edcolins]] 22:00, 28 May 2004 (UTC) |
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See [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highways#Right-of-way prose is scattered]]. --[[User:Chaswmsday|Chaswmsday]] ([[User talk:Chaswmsday|talk]]) 23:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC) |
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==Definition needed== |
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Article needs a definition of the word [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] 07:14, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC) |
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== Difference to the [[Transport]] lemma == |
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I'm very wondering why there is no mentioning between this equal articles. <kbd style="white-space:nowrap;color:#567;"> → ''[[User: Perhelion]]'' <small>11:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)</small></kbd> |
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Those two guys are mentioned in the article but in no way is it explained who they are. Who can help? [[User:KF|<KF>]] 14:18, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Sign: Yield to military traffic == |
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The sign labelled "Yield to military traffic" is actually a directional road sign for tanks. The give way sign on top is not related to the military sign below. Additional signs would be white and without arrow on the side (and also otherwise would look different). It seems that another picture might be better here... [[User:Spielball|Spielball]] ([[User talk:Spielball|talk]]) 08:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC) |
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…is the right; the other side is obviously wrong. |
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== "The traffic" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] == |
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:Sort of, because 'left' used to mean wrong. But traffic engineers are continually debating which side is better. "My right-hand drive car is better than your left-hand drive car; you can shift with your left. Plus, I can see oncoming traffic with my stronger right eye" etc. —[[User:Last Avenue|Last Avenue]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Last Avenue|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Last_Avenue|contributions]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> 01:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC) |
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect [[The traffic]]. Please participate in [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 28#The traffic|the redirect discussion]] if you wish to do so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:TheAwesomeHwyh|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#FFA352;background-color: #000000;">TheAwesome</span>]][[User_Talk:TheAwesomeHwyh|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#12ECFF;background-color:#000000;">Hwyh</span>]] 19:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC) |
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== Traffic == |
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== From [[Rules of the road]], to be merged into article == |
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𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜 [[Special:Contributions/2409:4043:2E8A:4B5A:0:0:B5CB:1302|2409:4043:2E8A:4B5A:0:0:B5CB:1302]] ([[User talk:2409:4043:2E8A:4B5A:0:0:B5CB:1302|talk]]) 13:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC) |
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See [[Talk:Traffic/Rules of the Road merge archive]] |
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== "right of way" is not an informal term == |
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:Done that right now. —[[User:Last Avenue|Last Avenue]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Last Avenue|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Last_Avenue|contributions]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> 00:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Both "right of way" & "right-of-way" are '''formal''' terms used in legislation; they have a recognized legal meaning & are not "informal" terminology. For example, Colorado statute § 42-4-703, explicitly uses "yield the right-of-way" to refer to traffic priority. "Traffic priority" is actually the more informal term, as it does not appear in relevant legal texts. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 17:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:I'm moving the stuff into an archive since it's clogging up the contents. —[[User:Last Avenue|Last Avenue]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Last Avenue|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Last_Avenue|contributions]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> 00:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== KRETP in california == |
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I just looked at the CVC and it appears that california actually requires all vehicles to stay in the right lane except to pass or to make a left turn. |
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[[User:64.81.53.207|64.81.53.207]] 15:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Sec. 21654 seems to imply that one is only required to use the rightmost lane if one is traveling slower than the flow of traffic (e.g. a tractor or marginally-able vehicle). The (rare) occurrence of explicit signage stating "Keep right except to pass" instead of the more typical "slow traffic keep right" implies that KRETP is an exception to the rule, only applicable where posted. (An example of such signage is on CA-20 west of CA-16, where there is a passing lane on a winding undivided road. [[User:Speight|Speight]] 20:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC) |
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This ain't "Traffic (USA)" Requirements to use the rigthmost lane in general, except to pass exist in atleast Norway and Germany too, so clearly that's not a California-only thing. --[[User:Eivind|Eivind Kjørstad]] 08:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== Merging right-of-way and priority == |
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These sections are very similar and contain some redundant info. I recommend merging them. [[User:Speight|Speight]] 20:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC) |
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: Done, though some cleanup needed. [[User:EdC|EdC]] 06:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Insurance == |
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I just read the insurance section. Wisconsin does not require drivers to carry insurance if they meet certain financial responsibility requirements. We should change the language to reflect that. [[User:Monkeythumpa|Monkeythumpa]] 22:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== U.S. state-specific practices == |
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I added a short description and link to the lane splitting article. [[User:Monkeythumpa|Monkeythumpa]] 22:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== Traffic Congestion vs. Movement of Vehicles and people == |
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In California, it is common to say "there is no traffic on the freeway" even when there are plenty of moving vehicles, but no significant slowdown due to congestion. How common is it to refer to [[traffic congestion]] as simply "traffic" elsewhere? I feel this meaning might have a place in the article. --[[User:CodeGeneratR|CodeGeneratR]] 15:16, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== External Links removal == |
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Using the policies in [[Wikipedia:External_links]], I removed links from the article. Below, the details... |
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* [http://www.ite.org/ Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE)] |
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* [http://www.best.bc.ca/ Better Environmentally Sound Transportation] |
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I do not think the sites above: |
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"provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." |
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* [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/transport-communications Transportation Communications Newsletter] |
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The site above "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups) or USENET." |
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* [http://balashon.blogspot.com/2006/05/traffic.html Etymology of "traffic"] |
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* [http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html Traffic Waves] |
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the sites above "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." (and they are not) |
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--[[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] ([[User talk:Legionarius|talk]]) 18:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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::My viewpoints are: |
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::*''ITE'' - This is the professional institution of North American & Australian traffic engineers and one of the more prominent professional institutions elsewhere. I'd say it deserves to remain here as a resource. |
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::*''Traffic waves'' - Agreed. This info could be worked into the article with this website serving as a reference or a better reference if one can be found (though this article, whilst itself written in an unprofessional manner, does give generally valid information). |
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::*''BEST'' - Agreed. There are plenty of similar programs: no need to list them all. |
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::*''Transp. Comm. Newsletter'' - Agreed. There are professional newsletters available such as ITE & Traffic Technology Today which aren't based on social networking sites. |
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::*''Etymology'' - Agreed. As with the traffic waves, the etymology can be incorporated into the article with a reference provided; though we need a better reference than a blog. Use the blogger's sources or find better ones. |
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::So of the five, I'd say we keep ITE and work the info on traffic waves and etymology into the article w/ appropriate references. --<b><span style="color:#00A86B;">[[User:Thisisbossi|Bossi]]</span></b> (<small>[[User talk:Thisisbossi|talk]] • [[:commons:User:Thisisbossi/Gallery|gallery]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thisisbossi|contrib]]</small>) 19:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:::In my view, '''ITE''' definitely should stay — there is ample precedent all over Wikipedia for including links to the professional societies and associations relevant to the topic at hand. While the the '''Traffic Waves''' link would be indeed be ''more'' relevant if its information were covered in the article, the lack of such coverage warrants some [[WP:Be bold|bold]] editor adding text on the subject more than it warrants removing the link. As for the '''BEST''' link, it seems to me directly relevant to some of the newer ideas and practices in traffic engineering and management. I agree with [[User talk:Thisisbossi|Thisisbossi]] that there are many similar organisations, but that fact doesn't render this link irrelevant. If some editor thinks this link is a poor choice, the preferable action would be to ''replace'' it with a better one (after obtaining consensus, if the replacement proves controversial). |
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:::I agree with removing the links to the web forum and to the etymological information; web forums almost always make problematic links, and the etymology of the word could very easily be incorporated into the article. |
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:::I am not happy that [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] unilaterally declared even the relevant and debatable links "linkspam" and chose to remove the lot of them summarily. It is one thing to remove ''actual'' linkspam, but the definition of linkspam does not include "sites [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] doesn't happen to like". Wikipedia is a cooperative effort based on consensus, not a dictatorial or competitive one. And obtaining consensus means a lot more than quoting ''one'' provision from the WP external-links guideline and baselessly asserting it applies to all of the links removed when it clearly does not. Please read the ''whole'' external-links guideline, and pay especial attention to the parts about common sense and consensus. --[[User:Scheinwerfermann|Scheinwerfermann]] ([[User talk:Scheinwerfermann|talk]]) 19:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:I do not think this is the case. I am following the rules. You can debate the sites according to the rules, like Bossi did above. |
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:For the record, I do not have anything against any of those sites. I understand there is not a rule called ""sites [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] doesn't happen to like", and that there is not a rule "sites [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] like a lot" either. Please, why did you restore the sites, based on what rule? |
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:Further discussion on the remaining links: |
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:*I do not see any reason for ''Traffic waves'' be in the article. I am not saying that the article is bogus, but it definitely is not a [[WP:RS]]; the author is not a recognized expert in the field. Is Traffic Waves a term that is used anywhere outside of the linked page? Just asking; a quick Google brought mostly links to that same page. |
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:*''ITE'' and ''BEST'' are valid and informative sites, but I do not see specific reasons for them to be in the article. If the only reason is that they are prominent associations, we could put a long list of associations and departments from all over the world, transforming it in a link farm. Maybe pointing the link to a specific area of the site that relates to the article could make it a better resource - right now the homepage for ITE has just some institutional news and advertising for selling books. Or if they have valid and useful content, they could be used as a source and incorporated in the article.--[[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] ([[User talk:Legionarius|talk]]) 19:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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::As an uninvolved party, I would like no-one to revert anyone. I am saying this as an experienced editor, not as a boss.(No pun intended.) I agree with what was said by [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]], and the three topmost links should be kept, and the lower down links should be removed/kept out. I do like what has been said though, and all points have been quite valid. <<tt>[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="crimson">DREAMAFTER</font>]]</tt>> <sup><[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple">TALK</font>]]></sup> 21:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:Thanks! I am still not sure if Traffic Waves is reliable ([http://amasci.com/amateur/traffic/tfaq.html#11 that's why]) and the other links should point to some specific area of the site that would be specifically related to the article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] ([[User talk:Legionarius|talk]] • (Since I removed the duplicated links, Dreamafter is saying that ITE, BEST and TrafficWaves should stay and YahooGroups and the Etimology site should go).--[[User:Legionarius|Legionarius]] ([[User talk:Legionarius|talk]]) 22:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC) |
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[edit]See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Highways#Right-of-way prose is scattered. --Chaswmsday (talk) 23:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm very wondering why there is no mentioning between this equal articles. → User: Perhelion 11:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Sign: Yield to military traffic
[edit]The sign labelled "Yield to military traffic" is actually a directional road sign for tanks. The give way sign on top is not related to the military sign below. Additional signs would be white and without arrow on the side (and also otherwise would look different). It seems that another picture might be better here... Spielball (talk) 08:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
"The traffic" listed at Redirects for discussion
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The traffic. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. TheAwesomeHwyh 19:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐢𝐜 2409:4043:2E8A:4B5A:0:0:B5CB:1302 (talk) 13:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
"right of way" is not an informal term
[edit]Both "right of way" & "right-of-way" are formal terms used in legislation; they have a recognized legal meaning & are not "informal" terminology. For example, Colorado statute § 42-4-703, explicitly uses "yield the right-of-way" to refer to traffic priority. "Traffic priority" is actually the more informal term, as it does not appear in relevant legal texts. ProphetZarquon (talk) 17:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)