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== Change page name from A-Level to A Level. == |
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The sections are so well written but must be deleted as unreferenced text! Could the authors protect their work by sharing the references. Top bar of this edit-source editor- press cite, then select Templates tab- and from then on its all done for you. --[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 21:30, 16 November 2020 (UTC) |
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Based on the more authoritative sources in this article (government websites, exam boards, etc.), the term 'A Level' should not be hyphenated. I have tried to move the page myself but have been unsuccessful, can anyone help me with this? [[User:PentagonPizza|PentagonPizza]] ([[User talk:PentagonPizza|talk]]) 16:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC) |
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⚫ | The result of the move request was: '''moved to [[A-level]].''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:ClydeFranklin|C<small>LYDE</small>]] <small>[[User talk:ClydeFranklin|<sup>TALK TO ME</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/ClydeFranklin|<sub>STUFF DONE</sub>]] (please [[Help:Talk_pages#Notifications|mention]] me on reply)</small> 00:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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[[:A-Level]] → {{no redirect|A level}} – Removing the hyphen per common usage and moving to sentence case. |
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[[:GCE Advanced Level]] → {{no redirect|A-Level}} – Moved in 2016 ignoring a RM consensus to keep at A-Level (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=A-level&action=history]). A-Level is now a redirect so I can't move the page back to it. — [[User:Berrely|<span style="color:#000">'''''Berrely'''''</span>]] • [[User talk:Berrely|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contribs/Berrely|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 12:36, 12 June 2021 (UTC) <small>—'''''Relisting.''''' ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 05:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:<small>This is a contested technical request ([[Special:Permalink/1028211553|permalink]]). '''[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]]''' 15:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)</small> |
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:{{Comment|Five years is a considerable amount of time with nobody objecting, but let's here what people say. '''[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]]''' 15:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)}} |
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=== Survey === |
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The spelling with no hyphen and a lowercase "L" is used by [https://www.dictionary.com/browse/a-level dictionary.com], [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/a-level the Cambridge Dictionary], [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/A%20level Merriam Webster], [https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/a-level the Collins English Dictionary], [https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/a-level the Macmillan Dictionary], and [https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/A-level the Britannica Dictionary]. The spelling with the hyphen and a lowercase "L" is used only by the [https://public.oed.com/teaching-resources/a-level/ The Oxford English Dictionary]). <nowiki>:</nowiki>3 [[User:Freedom4U|F4U]] ([[User talk:Freedom4U|they]][[Special:Contributions/Freedom4U|/it]]) 19:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)<small>— '''''Relisting.''''' <span style="font-family:Monospace;color:black">>>> [[User:Extorc|<span style="color:purple">Extorc</span>]].[[User_talk:Extorc|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</span> 18:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)</small> <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' [[User:ClydeFranklin|C<small>LYDE</small>]] <small>[[User talk:ClydeFranklin|<sup>TALK TO ME</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/ClydeFranklin|<sub>STUFF DONE</sub>]] (please [[Help:Talk_pages#Notifications|mention]] me on reply)</small> 23:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)</small> <small>— '''''Relisting.''''' <span style="background-color: orange; color: green">[[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]]</span> <sup>([[User_talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) </sup> 23:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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* Are there sources using these respective names? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:50, 20 June 2021 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' - A Level is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and is ubiquitous in the country of focus for this article. Most of the sources for this article appear to use "A Level". GCE Advanced Level is an [[WP:OFFICIALNAMES|official name]] to which we should not give too much weight. <b style="line-height:1.1;display:inline-block;transform:skew(-14deg);border-radius:2em;border:solid#34c 1px;overflow:hidden">[[User:Mysterymanblue|<b style="color:#fff;background:#34c"> Mysteryman</b>]][[User talk:Mysterymanblue|blue ]]</b> 07:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' per [[MOS:RETAIN]] and [[WP:ENGVAR]]. --[[Special:Contributions/112.204.206.165|112.204.206.165]] ([[User talk:112.204.206.165|talk]]) 04:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:How is this a matter of [[WP:ENGVAR]]? The article title isn't in sentence case, which is already an issue, and there's no evidence to suggest that the proposed title is a matter of national English variants. <nowiki>:</nowiki>3 [[User:Freedom4U|F4U]] ([[User talk:Freedom4U|they]][[Special:Contributions/Freedom4U|/it]]) 21:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' As a North American, I heard of "A Level" long before its [[WP:OFFICIALNAMES|official name]] [[User:Toomuchcuriosity|Toomuchcuriosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 18:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC) |
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*::See discussion below from {{u|Walt Yoder}}. [[Special:Contributions/112.204.206.165|112.204.206.165]] ([[User talk:112.204.206.165|talk]]) 03:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*::: I have no idea how ENGVAR comes into play. Americans rarely talk about A-levels at all, and I don't claim to know if other non-UK countries capitalize it differently. [[User:Walt Yoder|Walt Yoder]] ([[User talk:Walt Yoder|talk]]) 16:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Comment''' I think it should match the article title for O-Levels, [[GCE Ordinary Level]]; so this should be called [[GCE Advanced Level]] -- [[Special:Contributions/64.229.90.172|64.229.90.172]] ([[User talk:64.229.90.172|talk]]) 06:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' the proposed title scans as if it is referring to "a level" in a video game. From Google search results, there seems to be a wide spread of usage, with {{tq|A-level}} and {{tq|A Level}} the most common. [[User:Walt Yoder|Walt Yoder]] ([[User talk:Walt Yoder|talk]]) 03:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:I actually do understand the potential for confusion with a "level". Maybe "A-level" is the best title here then, since that would put it in sentence case and minimize potential for confusion. <nowiki>:</nowiki>3 [[User:Freedom4U|F4U]] ([[User talk:Freedom4U|they]][[Special:Contributions/Freedom4U|/it]]) 22:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Move to [[A-level]]''' per above. The "level" part is not generally capitalised in sources: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=a-level&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true] — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:There's a lot of previous discussions in [[Talk:A-Level/Archive 1]] for moving this article title. [[Special:Contributions/112.204.197.139|112.204.197.139]] ([[User talk:112.204.197.139|talk]]) 09:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:<small>'''Relisting comment''': [[GCE Advanced Level]] or [[A-level]]? [[User:ClydeFranklin|C<small>LYDE</small>]] <small>[[User talk:ClydeFranklin|<sup>TALK TO ME</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/ClydeFranklin|<sub>STUFF DONE</sub>]] (please [[Help:Talk_pages#Notifications|mention]] me on reply)</small> 23:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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:<small>'''Relisting comment''': Still unclear on consensus here. <span style="background-color: orange; color: green">[[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]]</span> <sup>([[User_talk:EggRoll97|talk]]) </sup> 23:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''Support [[A-level]]''' per common usage. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 12:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Comment''' The [https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/276286?redirectedFrom=A-Level&p=emailA8xaJrqOjGZFg&d=276286 OED] says it is ''A level''. [[User:Martin Tauchman|Martin Tauchman]] ([[User talk:Martin Tauchman|talk]]) 15:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC) |
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*:Perhaps, but an ngram assessing all the options suggests that A-level is by some distance yhe most common across all books.[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=A+level+exams%2CA-level+exams%2C+A+Level+exams%2CA-Level+exams&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3] — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 17:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC) |
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*::Also in King's School. Canterbury: [https://www.kings-school.co.uk/academic/results/] they uses "A-Level". [[Special:Contributions/112.198.121.177|112.198.121.177]] ([[User talk:112.198.121.177|talk]]) 11:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== TYPO or small mistake in the [[A-level#Nepal|Nepal]] sub-section == |
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The last sentence in the [[A-level#Nepal]] sub-section begins with<blockquote>In Nepali, students generally appear [...]</blockquote>which is not correct. |
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As shown by the quote<blockquote>"People who live in Nepal, we call them Nepali,"</blockquote>from https://www.sbs.com.au/language/nepali/en/article/youve-been-getting-our-name-wrong-says-nepals-foreign-minister/pp6bznae5 (Disclosure: that quote -- and that web page -- were both found via the S.R.P. ["search results page"] https://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNepali%2C+Nepal under "People also ask:" / "What do you call a person from Nepal?"), it is clear that either '''[a]''' the final letter of the word "Nepali" should be deleted, or else '''[b]''' the first word ("In") of that sentence, '''and''' the first comma of that sentence, should ''both'' be deleted. |
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I do not care which solution is chosen, but clearly the current version is not correct. |
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Any comments? [[User:Mike Schwartz|Mike Schwartz]] ([[User talk:Mike Schwartz|talk]]) 04:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:I fixed it. I chose solution '''[b]'''. |
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I appreciate that this issue has been discussed before, but shouldn't the article name be unhyphenated "A level" to match the usage in the lead? It is also the [https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulating-gcses-as-and-a-levels-guide-for-schools-and-colleges-2022 spelling used by the Department for Education] If Wikipedia used the correct form it would assist in encouraging the proper usage. And if I'm wrong, then shouldn't the first sentence of the lead and other similar instances in the article be changed accordingly in order to be consistent? [[User:JezGrove|JezGrove]] ([[User talk:JezGrove|talk]]) 18:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:The DIFF can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=A-level&diff=1225027248&oldid=1220988438 |
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:{{resolved|case closed}} |
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:Any comments? --[[User:Mike Schwartz|Mike Schwartz]] ([[User talk:Mike Schwartz|talk]]) 22:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC) |
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On 12 June 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from GCE Advanced Level to A-Level. The result of the discussion was moved. |
On 13 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to A level. The result of the discussion was moved to A-level. |
Change page name from A-Level to A Level.
[edit]Based on the more authoritative sources in this article (government websites, exam boards, etc.), the term 'A Level' should not be hyphenated. I have tried to move the page myself but have been unsuccessful, can anyone help me with this? PentagonPizza (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 13 May 2023
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to A-level. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 00:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
A-Level → A level – Removing the hyphen per common usage and moving to sentence case.
The spelling with no hyphen and a lowercase "L" is used by dictionary.com, the Cambridge Dictionary, Merriam Webster, the Collins English Dictionary, the Macmillan Dictionary, and the Britannica Dictionary. The spelling with the hyphen and a lowercase "L" is used only by the The Oxford English Dictionary). :3 F4U (they/it) 19:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 18:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 23:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. EggRoll97 (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per MOS:RETAIN and WP:ENGVAR. --112.204.206.165 (talk) 04:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- How is this a matter of WP:ENGVAR? The article title isn't in sentence case, which is already an issue, and there's no evidence to suggest that the proposed title is a matter of national English variants. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- See discussion below from Walt Yoder. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 03:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have no idea how ENGVAR comes into play. Americans rarely talk about A-levels at all, and I don't claim to know if other non-UK countries capitalize it differently. Walt Yoder (talk) 16:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- See discussion below from Walt Yoder. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 03:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- How is this a matter of WP:ENGVAR? The article title isn't in sentence case, which is already an issue, and there's no evidence to suggest that the proposed title is a matter of national English variants. :3 F4U (they/it) 21:22, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I think it should match the article title for O-Levels, GCE Ordinary Level; so this should be called GCE Advanced Level -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 06:32, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose the proposed title scans as if it is referring to "a level" in a video game. From Google search results, there seems to be a wide spread of usage, with
A-level
andA Level
the most common. Walt Yoder (talk) 03:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)- I actually do understand the potential for confusion with a "level". Maybe "A-level" is the best title here then, since that would put it in sentence case and minimize potential for confusion. :3 F4U (they/it) 22:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
- Move to A-level per above. The "level" part is not generally capitalised in sources: [1] — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- There's a lot of previous discussions in Talk:A-Level/Archive 1 for moving this article title. 112.204.197.139 (talk) 09:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: GCE Advanced Level or A-level? CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 23:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: Still unclear on consensus here. EggRoll97 (talk) 23:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- Support A-level per common usage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The OED says it is A level. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but an ngram assessing all the options suggests that A-level is by some distance yhe most common across all books.[2] — Amakuru (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Also in King's School. Canterbury: [3] they uses "A-Level". 112.198.121.177 (talk) 11:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but an ngram assessing all the options suggests that A-level is by some distance yhe most common across all books.[2] — Amakuru (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
The last sentence in the A-level#Nepal sub-section begins with
In Nepali, students generally appear [...]
which is not correct. As shown by the quote
"People who live in Nepal, we call them Nepali,"
from https://www.sbs.com.au/language/nepali/en/article/youve-been-getting-our-name-wrong-says-nepals-foreign-minister/pp6bznae5 (Disclosure: that quote -- and that web page -- were both found via the S.R.P. ["search results page"] https://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNepali%2C+Nepal under "People also ask:" / "What do you call a person from Nepal?"), it is clear that either [a] the final letter of the word "Nepali" should be deleted, or else [b] the first word ("In") of that sentence, and the first comma of that sentence, should both be deleted.
I do not care which solution is chosen, but clearly the current version is not correct.
Any comments? Mike Schwartz (talk) 04:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fixed it. I chose solution [b].
- The DIFF can be seen at https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=A-level&diff=1225027248&oldid=1220988438
- Resolved– case closed
- Any comments? --Mike Schwartz (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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