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Indy 5

It's not a question of whether it belongs but rather whether it belongs in the WP:LEAD. The content you want included is already in the body, where it belongs. We don't include it in the lead because what was noteworthy about the film was its lack of success: it wasn't a huge critical hit in the first place, and the consensus in the press is that the movie is more known for being one of the most expensive films ever made, but being the worst-performing and worst received Indy movie. That is all the most noteworthy because this will be Ford's last Indy film and the expectations were high. Including your content in the lead is misleading as it reads like spin. Indy 5 is being referred to as one of the biggest box office misfires in history, especially disappointing given the amazing success of the past entries. It's like a prized undefeated boxer getting KOed in the first round of his final fight!

I reached out because you seem like a good contributor, and hoping you won't be editwar over this now considering you were just coming off of a ban for edit warring elsewhere. 198.49.6.230 (talk) 17:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll ignore the bizarre threat in the last sentence (which is ironic coming from an IP account) but saying "mixed reviews" isn't true, considering it has a 70% percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Mixed reviews would be in the low/mid 60's on RT and lower in the rotten category.

The film being a box office flop is already in the lead, not exactly sure what you're getting at. The critical consensus in the lead is taken from the RT consensus, which we've done before.

See Man of Steel for instance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Steel_(film)

Previously, there was an edit war with DOD about whether it got "mostly positive reviews" or "mixed reviews," so the RT consensus was used instead. Lotsofsalt (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+It's not a question of whether it belongs but rather whether it belongs in the [[WP:LEAD]]. The content you want included is already in the body, where it belongs. We don't include it in the lead because what was noteworthy about the film was its lack of success: it wasn't a huge critical hit in the first place, and the consensus in the press is that the movie is more known for being one of the most expensive films ever made, but being the worst-performing and worst received Indy movie. That is all the most noteworthy because this will be Ford's last Indy film and the expectations were high. Including your content in the lead is misleading as it reads like spin. Indy 5 is being referred to as one of the biggest box office misfires in history, especially disappointing given the amazing success of the past entries. It's like a prized undefeated boxer getting KOed in the first round of his final fight!
+I reached out because you seem like a good contributor, and hoping you won't be editwar over this now considering you were just coming off of a ban for edit warring elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/198.49.6.230|198.49.6.230]] ([[User talk:198.49.6.230|talk]]) 17:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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+:I'll ignore the bizarre threat in the last sentence (which is ironic coming from an IP account) but saying "mixed reviews" isn't true, considering it has a 70% percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Mixed reviews would be in the low/mid 60's on RT and lower in the rotten category.
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+:The film being a box office flop is already in the lead, not exactly sure what you're getting at. The critical consensus in the lead is taken from the RT consensus, which we've done before.
+:See Man of Steel for instance.
+:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_Steel_(film)
+:Previously, there was an edit war with DOD about whether it got "mostly positive reviews" or "mixed reviews," so the RT consensus was used instead. [[User:Lotsofsalt|Lotsofsalt]] ([[User talk:Lotsofsalt#top|talk]]) 23:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
+==Sock puppetry warning==
-== Making the same edits while logged out? ==
+[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be exhibiting [[WP:SIGNS]] of [[WP:SOCKPUPPET]]ry, according to the reverts you have made on [[:Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny]] and edits on pages involving Jewish history and figures, and another suspected account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Humansandfish. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree by [[WP:GAMING]] the system. Users are expected to fairly reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
+[[Special:Contributions/2601:282:8980:C0F0:29B1:446A:9F02:2F3E|2601:282:8980:C0F0:29B1:446A:9F02:2F3E]] ([[User talk:2601:282:8980:C0F0:29B1:446A:9F02:2F3E|talk]]) 14:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC){{Tmbox
-I've been seeing the same edits get made on [[Logan (film)]] from you, [[User talk:66.18.5.195]], and [[User talk:70.123.57.204]]. Are you doing this? I know you mean well, but pretty much every film has a short mention of its critical reception in the lead paragraphs. [[X2 (film)]] just mentions that it got positive reviews - Logan can be 'just positive' too. [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span><span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] ([[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">talk</span>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">edits</span>]]) 16:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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