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==Age Response II== |
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:My wife and I parented 2 black chow mixes (purple tongues). They were both approximately 17 years old when they passed. I agree with User:Brownings about the variables that determine a dog's health and longevity. Sometime before they were 10 years old we switched to a well designed raw food diet and eliminated trips to the vet except for checkups and maintenance until they were around 15-16. There are many other variables which might deserve its on wiki page. [[User:Zerostatetechnologies|Zerostatetechnologies]] ([[User talk:Zerostatetechnologies|talk]]) 02:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
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==Not Like Cats== |
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Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) <ref>http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/chow-chow#/slide/1</ref>. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed <ref>http://sourcesofinsight.com/seven-meta-programs-for-understanding-people/</ref> on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured '''interdependence'''. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) <ref>http://morefunthandirt.com/about-us/</ref>. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. [[User:Zerostatetechnologies|Zerostatetechnologies]] ([[User talk:Zerostatetechnologies|talk]]) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) <ref>http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/chow-chow#/slide/1</ref>. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed <ref>http://sourcesofinsight.com/seven-meta-programs-for-understanding-people/</ref> on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured '''interdependence'''. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) <ref>http://morefunthandirt.com/about-us/</ref>. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. [[User:Zerostatetechnologies|Zerostatetechnologies]] ([[User talk:Zerostatetechnologies|talk]]) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
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== This page is terrible when it comes to wikipedia standards. == |
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Because of this I've added the original research template. The only great part of this page is the history part, there are references. Until I see more references, I wouldn't trust any of the information you read on this page. Especially "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens", where is the research? [[Special:Contributions/69.5.227.71|69.5.227.71]] ([[User talk:69.5.227.71|talk]]) 11:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:There are no scholars wasting grant dollars to research and write peer-reviewed articles on the temperment of any one specific breed of dog. The information on this page is likely garnered through years of EXPERIENCE living and training this breed. So calm down. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.134.90.27|69.134.90.27]] ([[User talk:69.134.90.27|talk]]) 22:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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| ⚫ | Hello, how come there isn't anything in the "History" section about this breed got its name? 'Cause in Chinese the name is songshiquan ({{linktext|鬆獅犬}}) which literally means "loose lion dog". [[User:Shāntián Tàiláng|Shāntián Tàiláng]] ([[User talk:Shāntián Tàiláng|talk]]) 13:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC) |
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::Many of the Dog articles are in a similar condition with respect to citations. I am currently working on the Shetland Sheepdog page with respect to clean up and citations, it IS POSSIBLE to cite information and it doesn't need to be direct from research papers. While years of experience is nice, unfortunately you still need to reference it from somewhere (a book, a website, something!). It is a pain, I know! It does need citations for all information regardless of how much experience any one person may be relying on. I would swap the original research template for the needs more citations template. Cheers, [[User:Keetanii|Keetanii]] ([[User talk:Keetanii|talk]]) 08:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:There definitely seems to be scope for a section on the name. |
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:::Yes, "experience" usually isn't good on wikipedia. See [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No_original_research]] for more information. [[User:ItsWolfeh|ItsWolfeh]] ([[User talk:ItsWolfeh|talk]]) 04:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:See also https://nationalpurebreddogday.com/chow-chows-name/ |
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== Behavior == |
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The "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens" statement is very accurate, and can easily be sourced back to the Chow Chow Club of America's written standard. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.97.171.72|174.97.171.72]] ([[User talk:174.97.171.72|talk]]) 16:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The Temperament section of every dog breed article in Wikipedia appears to have been written by fans or breeders of that breed, none of them have anything negative to say about the intelligence or aggressiveness of the dog. Seeing time and time again "This breed is well behaved if it's well-bred and well-socialized" seems redundant and biased. I've seen in multiple outside sources that Chow Chows are considered one of the least intelligent dog breeds, but that doesn't show up here. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.107.186.18|65.107.186.18]] ([[User talk:65.107.186.18|talk]]) 19:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The article reads like nonsense breeder-talk. |
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::::*You don't like Chow-chows? They are not unintellingent at all. They just don't obey. http://www.winkchows.com/ChowChow.pdf And they don't care for strangers at all. [[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 19:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC) |
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[http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/chowchows.html] , [http://www.chowchowbreedcouncil.co.uk/is_the_chow_chow_the_right_breed_for_you.htm] |
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[http://www.canismajor.com/dog/chowchow.html] |
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[http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/Chow_Chow] |
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"When a Chow Chow reaches adolescence it rejects authority from any owner who failed to earn its '''admiration'''." Way to anthropomorphize a dog! |
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::::Speaking from personal experience (3 time Chow owner), they are of average or better intelligence. They probably seem less intelligent because they (the dogs) don't care what people think about them. They don't play "fetch" or obey a lot of commands but that is by choice. We currently have a Lab-Shepherd mix who seems smarter because of her interaction with the family but she is definitely not any smarter than any of the Chows I have had. (I gave them all an IQ test. Just kidding!) However, Chows are definitely an aggressive breed. I am a Chow lover but I don't let that blind me to the "personality" that my dogs have had. Two were very sweet but I could still feel an underlying aggressiveness in many situations. One was more typical and we had to get rid of her when our oldest child turned 1 because she became very nasty toward him. All that said, training and socialization do help. [[User:Acsteitz|Andrew S.]] ([[User talk:Acsteitz|talk]]) 04:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC) |
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I'd love to see input from a veterinary behaviorist. [[Special:Contributions/47.27.102.26|47.27.102.26]] ([[User talk:47.27.102.26|talk]]) 20:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Agreed, I've removed it as it's unsourced fancier nonsense. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 01:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | Hello, how come there isn't anything in the "History" section about this breed got its name? 'Cause in Chinese the name is songshiquan ({{linktext|鬆獅犬}}) which literally means "loose lion dog". [[User:Shāntián Tàiláng|Shāntián Tàiláng]] ([[User talk:Shāntián Tàiláng|talk]]) 13:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Not Like Cats
[edit]Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) [1]. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed [2] on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured interdependence. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) [3]. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Etymology
[edit]Hello, how come there isn't anything in the "History" section about this breed got its name? 'Cause in Chinese the name is songshiquan (鬆獅犬) which literally means "loose lion dog". Shāntián Tàiláng (talk) 13:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- There definitely seems to be scope for a section on the name.
- See also https://nationalpurebreddogday.com/chow-chows-name/
- --86.155.10.74 (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Behavior
[edit]The article reads like nonsense breeder-talk.
"When a Chow Chow reaches adolescence it rejects authority from any owner who failed to earn its admiration." Way to anthropomorphize a dog!
I'd love to see input from a veterinary behaviorist. 47.27.102.26 (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, I've removed it as it's unsourced fancier nonsense. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)