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==Sources== |
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There is a huge amount of unsourced material here. Almost every fact on the page is unsourced. In fact, the entire article seems to be compromised of Original research and unverifiable facts. And there seems to be opinions strewn throughout the article. Cleanup needed desperately. |
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==Not Like Cats== |
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Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) <ref>http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/chow-chow#/slide/1</ref>. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed <ref>http://sourcesofinsight.com/seven-meta-programs-for-understanding-people/</ref> on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured '''interdependence'''. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) <ref>http://morefunthandirt.com/about-us/</ref>. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. [[User:Zerostatetechnologies|Zerostatetechnologies]] ([[User talk:Zerostatetechnologies|talk]]) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
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How long do they live? And how can you tell how old they are? |
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:Chows are like any other animal, the length of their age depends a lot on how well they are taken care of and their overall health. I think generally they live anywhere from 12 to 16 years, with most seeing at least 14. Of course that's only an approximation, a lot of factors can go into how long they'll live. Chows seem to start developing gray hair at around 7, but other than that I'm not sure how you'd gauge the age. The best bet is to consult a local vet.--[[User:Brownings|Brownings]] ([[User talk:Brownings|talk]]) 12:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== Etymology == |
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Could anyone expand on this? I've read in forums that they're like cats because, although they bond with people, are very independent. Is this what the sentence mean? |
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You will not find your chow chow jumping on kitchen counters or poncing onto you. But to answer your question, yes, their independence is what makes them cat-like. |
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They are self thinkers. They decide when they want to do something. They will let you know when they want affection. They can be in the same room with you, but not necessary under your feet. They are very lazy, but they love their family. If you have ever had a cat and dog, then you have seen the difference between them. A dog wants to please you. A dog likes learning new commands, etc. A cat, however, will train you to suit their needs. That's how I think a chow chow relates closer to the cat-like personality. You need to be aware of this or you may find your chow chow a little bossy. The chow chow can be such a very well behaved dog, that you may think it doesn't really need obedience training. However, it probably needs as much as any other dog breed and it also needs socialization from a young age too. The cat-like personality makes you think it doesn't need as much training or socialization, but your chow chow will think for taking the time. And you will be glade you did. That way your chow chow will know who is boss (YOU). |
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September 2009 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.127.5.160|130.127.5.160]] ([[User talk:130.127.5.160|talk]]) 14:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Hello, how come there isn't anything in the "History" section about this breed got its name? 'Cause in Chinese the name is songshiquan ({{linktext|鬆獅犬}}) which literally means "loose lion dog". [[User:Shāntián Tàiláng|Shāntián Tàiláng]] ([[User talk:Shāntián Tàiláng|talk]]) 13:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC) |
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==Color of Chow Chow in the Picture== |
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It's mislabeled. The chow chow in the photo is considered "red" by AKC standards. http://www.akc.org/breeds/chow_chow/ Generally "red" chow's are blond with some red highlights. Cream chow's are solid blond. Cinnamon chow's are more brown than the one pictured. The chow chow in the photo is clearly a "red" chow by breed standards and has been mislabeled by someone who doesn't understand the coloring. [[User:Agrippina Minor|Agrippina Minor]] ([[User talk:Agrippina Minor|talk]]) 05:02, 13 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:There definitely seems to be scope for a section on the name. |
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Also, while I'm sure they're very sweet dogs, the dogs pictured in the "Appearance" section and the one characterized as an "old chow" don't have faces characteristic of the modern chow standard. I would favor replacing them with some more representative photos. [[User:John2510|John2510]] ([[User talk:John2510|talk]]) 03:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:See also https://nationalpurebreddogday.com/chow-chows-name/ |
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== Behavior == |
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I substituted a more representative chow photo for the "distinctive features." One in profile with the back leg structure and tail would be better yet... but there isn't one in the [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chow_Chow wikimedia commons] at this point. The picture of the old chow is kind of blurry and not representative. It should probably be removed or replaced. [[User:John2510|John2510]] ([[User talk:John2510|talk]]) 18:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC) |
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The article reads like nonsense breeder-talk. |
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== Edible chows vs. Shar pei == |
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When I got a chow/shepherd mix, I look both chow chow and shar pei up on some web pages. I found some that had almost identical info but the breeds reversed (one said chows were noble hunting/family protection dogs and the shar pei was just bred for food, while the other page had almost exact wording but in reverse). This article looks well written, but is there any confusion on the origin of these two breeds?--[[User:Paddling bear|Paddling bear]] ([[User talk:Paddling bear|talk]]) 03:51, 29 March 2010 (UTC) |
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"When a Chow Chow reaches adolescence it rejects authority from any owner who failed to earn its '''admiration'''." Way to anthropomorphize a dog! |
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== This page is terrible when it comes to wikipedia standards. == |
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Because of this I've added the original research template. The only great part of this page is the history part, there are references. Until I see more references, I wouldn't trust any of the information you read on this page. Especially "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens", where is the research? [[Special:Contributions/69.5.227.71|69.5.227.71]] ([[User talk:69.5.227.71|talk]]) 11:33, 13 November 2010 (UTC) |
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I'd love to see input from a veterinary behaviorist. [[Special:Contributions/47.27.102.26|47.27.102.26]] ([[User talk:47.27.102.26|talk]]) 20:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC) |
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:Agreed, I've removed it as it's unsourced fancier nonsense. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 01:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:There are no scholars wasting grant dollars to research and write peer-reviewed articles on the temperment of any one specific breed of dog. The information on this page is likely garnered through years of EXPERIENCE living and training this breed. So calm down. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.134.90.27|69.134.90.27]] ([[User talk:69.134.90.27|talk]]) 22:11, 26 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Many of the Dog articles are in a similar condition with respect to citations. I am currently working on the Shetland Sheepdog page with respect to clean up and citations, it IS POSSIBLE to cite information and it doesn't need to be direct from research papers. While years of experience is nice, unfortunately you still need to reference it from somewhere (a book, a website, something!). It is a pain, I know! It does need citations for all information regardless of how much experience any one person may be relying on. I would swap the original research template for the needs more citations template. Cheers, [[User:Keetanii|Keetanii]] ([[User talk:Keetanii|talk]]) 08:49, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, "experience" usually isn't good on wikipedia. See [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No_original_research]] for more information. [[User:ItsWolfeh|ItsWolfeh]] ([[User talk:ItsWolfeh|talk]]) 04:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
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The "However, displays of timidity and aggression are uncharacteristic of well-bred and well-socialized specimens" statement is very accurate, and can easily be sourced back to the Chow Chow Club of America's written standard. |
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== '''Flealess?''' == |
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I have read in a book about dogs that Chows are the only dogs that have no fleas. Is this true? [[Special:Contributions/156.8.251.250|156.8.251.250]] ([[User talk:156.8.251.250|talk]]) 06:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC) |
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:A simple google search would say no, they are not flealess. I'm actually reading that fleas are very hard to get rid of when they get on a chow, probably because of the double coat, and they love the environment. [[User:ItsWolfeh|ItsWolfeh]] ([[User talk:ItsWolfeh|talk]]) 01:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Not Like Cats
[edit]Chows can be independent, but not like cats. Chows are known for bonding to one person/family (extreme loyalty) [1]. That person/family becomes their center of gravity. They aren't like cats in that this extreme loyalty has them often focus on their bonded alpha/parent. Once they establish their place in the "pack", then they are internally directed [2] on serving their purpose/functions in the pack (which does often look like independence, but is really just a self-assured interdependence. The few times we went on vacation without our chows, they stayed with family they loved, knew and trusted but they were agitated the entire time we were gone and would spend a great deal of time during their "day" looking for my wife and I. My chows were never lazy. In regards to chows being bossy, they quite often will push to alpha in most social situations and non-related chows in the same home will struggle with the alpha dominance with each other until it is very clear who is who. This requires the chow human-parent to understand their instinct to push and be able to love them firmly and create good boundaries for the home and for outside the home. We were basically forced to train both our chows after introducing the second one into the home. They were both smart and learned quickly once worked with by a great trainer (Lee Mannix) [3]. Probably my final thought on chow chows being like cats is that my boy and girl chow both chased cats and deer and everything else (including a red laser)that they could sensed moving. All dogs regardless of breed are unique, so some or all of the above information might be true in some specific context. Chows require unwavering dog enthusiasts as parents, the chow is not for casual or part time parenting. Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 03:09, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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Etymology
[edit]Hello, how come there isn't anything in the "History" section about this breed got its name? 'Cause in Chinese the name is songshiquan (鬆獅犬) which literally means "loose lion dog". Shāntián Tàiláng (talk) 13:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- There definitely seems to be scope for a section on the name.
- See also https://nationalpurebreddogday.com/chow-chows-name/
- --86.155.10.74 (talk) 13:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Behavior
[edit]The article reads like nonsense breeder-talk.
"When a Chow Chow reaches adolescence it rejects authority from any owner who failed to earn its admiration." Way to anthropomorphize a dog!
I'd love to see input from a veterinary behaviorist. 47.27.102.26 (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, I've removed it as it's unsourced fancier nonsense. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)