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I couldn't work out who said what...

From Psychiatric evaluation:

//Graham Glancy, a forensic psychiatrist hired by Bernardo's chief defence lawyer, John Rosen, had offered an alternative theory to explain Homolka's behaviour, noted Williams in Invisible Darkness, his first book on the case. "She appears to be a classic example of hybristophilia, an individual who is sexually aroused by a partner's violent sexual behaviour, Glancy suggested." Williams later reversed his opinion about her//

The first sentence is hard to follow and could perhaps do with some brackets or something. But if Williams is quoted merely as the source for Glancy's opinion, then we have not been told Williams's opinion, as people often mention opinions they do not agree with in academic writing, meaning that we have been told that Williams reversed his opinion without having been told what that opinion was!

Also, is the name of the defence lawyer necessary or helpful in that particular place, or does it just add to the difficulty of following the sentence?

I was too confused to try to sort this out! FloweringOctopus (talk) 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+From Psychiatric evaluation:
-She now works as a primary school teacher in [[Sainte-Anne,_Guadeloupe]], where she lives under the name Emily Bordelais, with her husband Thierry, who is the brother of her lawyer.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2.101.61.114|2.101.61.114]] ([[User talk:2.101.61.114|talk]]) 20:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+//Graham Glancy, a forensic psychiatrist hired by Bernardo's chief defence lawyer, John Rosen, had offered an alternative theory to explain Homolka's behaviour, noted Williams in Invisible Darkness, his first book on the case. "She appears to be a classic example of hybristophilia, an individual who is sexually aroused by a partner's violent sexual behaviour, Glancy suggested."
-Update: During the Magnotta trial it was discovered that Karla is now living in Quebec with her spouse, and I assume her 3 kids. Can someone edit this in http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/karla-homolka-is-living-in-canada-again-magnotta-trial-hears-1.2058469  [[User:Jaydub99|Jaydub99]] ([[User talk:Jaydub99|talk]]) 04:02, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
+Williams later reversed his opinion about her//
-... in the Montreal suburb of Chateauguay, under the name Leanne Teale <ref>http://www.citynews.ca/2016/04/19/karla-homolka-found-living-in-the-montreal-suburb-of-chateauguay/</ref>.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/115.64.142.162|115.64.142.162]] ([[User talk:115.64.142.162#top|talk]]) 03:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+The first sentence is hard to follow and could perhaps do with some brackets or something. But if Williams is quoted merely as the source for Glancy's opinion, then we have not been told Williams's opinion, as people often mention opinions they do not agree with in academic writing, meaning that we have been told that Williams reversed his opinion without having been told what that opinion was!
-June 2017:  She has been expelled from her voluntary job at Greaves Adventist Academy (a school, attended by her children), Montreal, after the revelation of her identity, and complaints <ref>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40126909</ref>.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/115.64.142.162|115.64.142.162]] ([[User talk:115.64.142.162#top|talk]]) 03:14, 3 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Also, is the ''name ''of the defence lawyer necessary or helpful in that particular place, or does it just add to the difficulty of following the sentence?
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+I was too confused to try to sort this out! [[User:FloweringOctopus|FloweringOctopus]] ([[User talk:FloweringOctopus|talk]]) 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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-== Removed ===Plea bargain controversy=== ==
-Hi, I took the liberty to remove the following from the page:
-<nowiki>Jamie Cameron, Professor of Law at [[Osgoode Hall Law School|Osgoode Hall]], noted that "at the time of the Homolka trial, three features of the case worried and concerned the public. Little was known about the respective roles Homolka and Bernardo played in their actions and the killing of their victims. By spring, 1993, it was clear that the Crown's case against Bernardo depended on Homolka's evidence. In simple terms, to secure a conviction against him, her story had to be believed. Yet on no view of the facts then known could she be exculpated; by casting her as a victim of his predatory behaviour, her responsibility for the crimes that were committed could be diminished and her credibility as a witness preserved."<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/2003/rr03vic-1/rr03vic-1.pdf |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20110706181713/http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/2003/rr03vic-1/rr03vic-1.pdf |dead-url=yes |archive-date=July 6, 2011 |title=Microsoft Word&nbsp;– Word_rr_English.doc |publisher=Justice.gc.ca |date=November 14, 2007 |accessdate=February 13, 2011 }}</ref>
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-The reason being that the link is dead and therefore none of this is in the citation.
-Until a citation is provided I think you will agree that this shouldn't be here given that the article is the biography of a living person.
-If this was a mistake please feel free to undo the change.
-Thank you for your time.
-[[User:A Muddy Taco|A Muddy Taco]] ([[User talk:A Muddy Taco|talk]]) 13:25, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
-== Cleanup 2019 ==
-I've endeavored to clean up the portion of this article that chronicles Homolka's time in prison, though it  could use some further attention. The timeline should now be mostly sensible, and I've tried to remove the various analysis that was previously dispersed throughout this section into a new section, "Psychoanalysis". I've also entirely removed some "analysis" which was sourced from an opinion columnist who does not appear to have any relevant expertise, which I don't think is appropriate here under BLP. I suspect some other content of this type remains but I haven't the time to look further into it. [[User:Walkersam|Walkersam]] ([[User talk:Walkersam|talk]]) 07:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
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