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== contextulisation == |
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the African and Asian guests at a pub dinner given by the African and Asian Society found themselves seperated from other guests by a screen placed in the room<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-5pGCgAAQBAJ&lpg=PT138&ots=W6kqi3lQvV&dq=british%20indians%20lascars&pg=PT138#v=onepage&q=guests&f=false|title=Ayahs, Lascars and Princes: The Story of Indians in Britain 1700-1947|last=|first=|date=|website=|publisher=|access-date=}}</ref> |
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so, cordless lary proposed i put this here for a discussion of where to contextualised this information <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Menacinghat|contribs]]) 23:21, 23 November 2016 (UTC)</small> |
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:Just inserting that example into the article isn't helpful, in my view. It needs more context. Do we have sources that establish that this was typical of the time, for example? Why are we picking this example rather than others? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 13:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure what point is being made, implicitly that there was prejudice against/distaste of these people, of which this is an example. It isn't even clear who was segregated, the society members from the general clients of the pub that night or the white and non-white society members from each other. If the point is that there was prejudice, I would have thought a better, more general statement would be clearer covering something broader than this incident. [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 13:15, 24 November 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Film reel=== |
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:::Agreed. I feel the same about [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Black_British&diff=751193045&oldid=751182007 this]. Why are we singling out this one film reel to open a section with? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 17:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC) |
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:::I've removed the material about the film reel. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 18:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC) |
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::::Just a thought, but if the film is in the public domain, would a captioned 'still' work as an image? [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Black_British&diff=751255916&oldid=751193158 as suggested here]'' "would this be better as an image if poss?".'' [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 22:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::Yep, that might make more sense - using it to illustrate the article. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 22:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC) |
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== Africans born in Britain do not consider themselves "Black British" == |
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Since when has Africans born in Britain considered themselves "Black British" or ever used that term to describe themselves? [[Special:Contributions/81.141.15.52|81.141.15.52]] ([[User talk:81.141.15.52|talk]]) 19:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC) |
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== photos == |
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some captions have full stops others do not <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/109.153.5.155|109.153.5.155]] ([[User talk:109.153.5.155#top|talk]]) 07:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Add that fact == |
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http://web.archive.org/web/20181023134143/https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals |
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== Requested move 24 June 2019 == |
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. There is consensus ''against'' this requested move. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> <span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Geneva,sans-serif">[[User:QEDK|<span style="color:black">qedk</span>]] ([[User talk:QEDK|<span style="color:black">t</span>]] 桜 [[Special:Contributions/QEDK|<span style="color:black">c</span>]])</span> 15:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC) |
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[[:Black British]] → {{no redirect|Black Britons}} – Per [[African Americans]]. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 16:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. The usual and better understood term is ''Black British''. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Black+British%2CBlack+Briton%2CBlack+Britons&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2CBlack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2CBlack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2CBlack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0 ngram] Limiting to British English gives similar results. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 18:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose'''. Use the common name. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 12:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' per common name. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 16:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' –Black British is a much better term.[[User:Leutha|Leutha]] ([[User talk:Leutha|talk]]) 06:38, 29 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' Black British is generally more common. [[User:BarcrMac|Barca]] ([[User talk:BarcrMac|talk]]) 14:16, 1 July 2019 (UTC) |
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== I remove the Middle Age part == |
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Mythological matter cannot be used as a proof for an hypothetical presence of black people in Britain <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:2a02:a03f:5018:7100:d930:9625:990e:7257|2a02:a03f:5018:7100:d930:9625:990e:7257]] ([[User talk:2a02:a03f:5018:7100:d930:9625:990e:7257#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/2a02:a03f:5018:7100:d930:9625:990e:7257|contribs]]) 02:18, 3 August 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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== Requested move 4 December 2019 == |
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The result of the move request was: '''moved''' <s>(pending [[Special:Diff/930746158|technical request]])</s>. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>{{bcc|Sangdeboeuf}} — '''''[[User:Newslinger|<span style="color:#536267;">Newslinger</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Newslinger#top|<span style="color:#708090;">talk</span>]]</small>'' 17:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC) |
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[[:Black British]] → {{no redirect|Black British people}} – The phrase ''Black British'' could be read as a [[compound adjective]], whereas we generally [[WP:NOUN|use nouns]] for page titles. {{xt|[[Black British people]]}} matches the lead sentence, and is [[WP:CRITERIA|more consistent]] with various other pages listed at [[Template:African diaspora]], such as {{xt|[[Afro-Caribbean people]]}}, {{xt|[[Afro-Dutch people]]}}, {{xt|[[Afro-Portuguese people]]}}, {{xt|[[Black Scottish people]]}}, and {{xt|[[British African-Caribbean people]]}}, as well as plain old {{xt|[[British people]]}}. See also recent discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject African diaspora#Article titles for ethnic groups|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject African diaspora]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 13:55, 4 December 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' per [[British people]]. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 14:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Only African or Caribbean? == |
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No black Americans, or black Canadians, or black South Americans have ever become British citizens? (unsigned) |
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:These are the dominant places of origin for black people in the UK, based on where the colonies were. There are excellent British people from the communities you have mentioned however, for example [[Trent Alexander-Arnold]] (African American), [[Lennox Lewis]] (Afro-Canadian) and [[Seal (musician)]] (Afro-Brazilian). To add information about those communities would be a welcome addition, though the sources referring to them will be in shorter supply than those for Africans and Afro-Caribbeans. [[User:Wallachia Wallonia|Wallachia Wallonia]] ([[User talk:Wallachia Wallonia|talk]]) 21:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Rugby + other sports == |
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I notice no mention of rugby in the sports section, but you've got [[Jeremy Guscott]] for Union - who seems like a shoe in for a mention given the amount of time he has spent on TV on top of his career as a sportsman - and if you go back a bit further in history you've got [[Roy Francis (rugby)]] who was the first black british coach - [[Jimmy Peters (rugby)]] the first (and last until 1988) black England player, and there are stacks of others who are bound to be influential. Probably a bunch of other sports that have significant diversity which shouldn't be left out because they are not football [[User:EdwardLane|EdwardLane]] ([[User talk:EdwardLane|talk]]) 13:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== POV Query == |
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In the media section, the statement 'Keep The Faith’s editorial contributors are some of the most powerful and influential movers and shakers, and successful entrepreneurs within BME communities'. I recommend this is either verified from a neutral source, or deleted. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Genericxz|Genericxz]] ([[User talk:Genericxz#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Genericxz|contribs]]) 13:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Eliza Junor == |
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I have just created the article [[Eliza Junor]], having been fascinated to read about her in today's news. As I have never contributed on Black British issues before, I would appreciate it if those of you who have more specialized knowledge would cast your eye over it. Thanks. --[[User:Doric Loon|Doric Loon]] ([[User talk:Doric Loon|talk]]) 13:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC) |
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== Somali heritage == |
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Another editor, {{ping|BurudaKidd}}, has recently made edits to various articles, including this one and the one on [[Mo Farah]], to remove any mention of Somali-heritage people from the "Black British" article and category, with the edit summary; "According to census Somalis aren’t actually considered Black British they are actually considered British Arab believe it or not." That raises a number of points: 1 - is it true? 2 - is it relevant? 3 - is it uncontentious? - probably not, given that the editor themselves say "believe it or not". This needs further discussion, and a decision based on consensus if possible, as to whether, ''in Wikipedia'' (not the census), Somali-heritage British people should be considered as "Black British" or not. Once a decision is made, it should be applied across all the articles affected. Thoughts? [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 12:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:The census relies on people classifying themselves, so Somalis could identify as Black, Arab... white - whatever they see fit. There isn't a Somali tick-box (there is an Arab one), but people can write in Somali as an "other" option. If you look [http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-and-quick-statistics-for-wards-and-output-areas-in-england-and-wales/rft---qs211ew-wm.xls here], lots of people write Somali in under the Black heading. I don't think there's any way to know how many Somalis tick the Arab box. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 13:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:When we're talking about biography articles, surely a better approach would be to categorise them according to what reliable sources say about the individual? If Mo Farah is described in reliable sources as Black British, then he belongs in that category. See [[WP:CATEGRS]]. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 13:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC) |
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{{ping|ProudLondoner}} claims that Somalis are Black British according to census according to this https://history.blog.gov.uk/2019/03/07/50-years-of-collecting-ethnicity-data/ [[User:BurudaKidd|BurudaKidd]] ([[User talk:BurudaKidd|talk]]) 09:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Incidentally, I thought this discussion was familiar, and now I remember why: it was discussed extensively at [[Talk:Somalis in the United Kingdom/Archive 3#Detailed census ethnicity data]]. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 09:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::There are a number of issues here. Do we know how notable Somali-heritage people identify themselves? For example, do we know whether Mo Farah identifies himself as Black British, or Arab British - or something else? Also, does Wikipedia need to go along with the census categories? If notable people are identified in reliable sources as Black British, does the census category matter? [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 09:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:::I think that Farah's own identification should override everything else, if it's known. The census is maybe a useful guide for population groups but not so much for individuals - unless we somehow know how the individual answered the census, which seems unlikely for living people. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 09:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, it should. The problem here is that one editor has been making the assumption that, because a person can, if they so choose, identify in the census as something other than "Black British", that means they should not be categorized as "Black British" here. [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 10:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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I am literally using the census to identify Somali people as Black British (also during Black History Month , Mo Farah is celebrated as a Black British man). Somali people are Black according to the census, it's really simple [[User:ProudLondoner|ProudLondoner]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 10:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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So what do most Somalis identity as in census? [[User:BurudaKidd|BurudaKidd]] ([[User talk:BurudaKidd|talk]]) 11:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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From my own personal experience, Black British, when I apply for grants on behalf of the local Somali community, they ask me to tick Black British, when I deal with the police, Black British. furthermore the census sees Somali as Black British, here's another link https://www.bristol.gov.uk/documents/20182/33107/Equality+Profile+Somalis+2014.pdf/99f13ec0-da03-4928-9971-77246a812b17 , also as the gentleman above said ''The problem here is that one editor has been making the assumption that, because a person can, if they so choose, identify in the census as something other than "Black British", that means they should not be categorized as "Black British" here.'' [[User:ProudLondoner|ProudLondoner]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 12:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:From [https://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/Documents/Borough_statistics/Ward_profiles/Census-2011/RB-Census2011-Ethnicity-2013-01.pdf Tower Hamlets]: "When responding to the ethnicity question, it is likely that most Somali residents ticked either the Black African boxor the Black Other box". [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 12:24, 11 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Fine do what you want this discussion is over [[User:BurudaKidd|BurudaKidd]] ([[User talk:BurudaKidd|talk]]) 09:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Can I clear this discussion now? [[User:BurudaKidd|BurudaKidd]] ([[User talk:BurudaKidd|talk]]) 09:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:Archived per [[WP:CLOSE]], but not deleted - for future reference. [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 09:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== AWARDS AND ACHIEVEMENTS SECTION == |
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I think we should create an awards section- see for instance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian#Awards_and_achievements |
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== Early 21st Century - Covid-19 Paragraph == |
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Could include things such as MOBOs, and UK Black Powerlists etc |
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The paragraph on Covid-19 in the 'Early 21st Century' section routinely conflates BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnics) with black people. Much of the information cited refers to the generalised experience of people from non-white ethnicities during Covid-19 rather than the specific experience of Black British people. This is an article on Black British people, not on BAME people in the UK. [[User:Kioj156|Kioj156]] ([[User talk:Kioj156|talk]]) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC) |
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== England (and Wales) versus UK == |
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[[User:ROC7|ROC7]] ([[User talk:ROC7|talk]]) 09:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC) |
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{{u|Kioj156}} and {{u|EmyRussell}}, thanks for your recent efforts to update and improve the [[Black British people#Social issues|Social issues]] section. However, I think we need to make it clearer in the text that many of the statistics and charts relate to either England or England and Wales only, not the whole of the UK. At present, figures for part of the UK are being presented as if they represent all Black British people in the UK, which is often not the case. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 07:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. These stats and charts need clarifying. If not clarified, then removed. [[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 22:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Prostitution == |
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== ''however not all were Sub-Saharan African.'' == |
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If there are no objections, i'd like to remove the section on prostitution. Simply creating that section for 1 person only (who, in the description doesn't even sound black) isn't warranted. Don't need any more irrelevant negativity attributed to this group. [[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 11:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC) |
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Someone keeps removing this line from the Elizabethan section. I thought it was important to make a distinction as this is a page for black people. An article by the Guardian says two were North African and not black, so thought it should be shown, as black can't be used interchangeably with Moroccans, etc. [[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat|talk]]) 18:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Article was about the Mary Rose and was linked as of this week [[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat|talk]]) 18:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== New image == |
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I think the section should be kept as there isn't enough information on black women on this page. Mixed race people such as Barrack Obama are still considered black.--[[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat|talk]]) 00:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Hello all, I added an image to this page as part of a short-term paid project to share images of a year of culture that was held in Leeds. There's more on the project [[Wikipedia:GLAM/LEEDS 2023|here]] and more images to make use of [[c:Category:Uploaded_by_Leeds_Culture_Trust|here]]. Many thanks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 10:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Racism in article? == |
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Hello, I am not an active editor or participant in talks or editing on this site, but in this article I saw mentions of anti-white genocide and I would like a second opinion on those parts of this article as it seems quite racist and conspiratorial. [[User:Night Thrasher|Night Thrasher]] ([[User talk:Night Thrasher|talk]]) 01:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:That was indeed inappropriate content. It was added just a few hours ago, and I undid that set of edits. Thanks for reporting it! [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Surely this needs a section on social problems is needed as it's present on various other ethnic groups since the user ROC7 has been trying to add more to social issues of British Asians maybe we can expand on the Social issues here first since a section doesn't even exist? [[User:90tillinfinitydue|90tillinfinitydue]] ([[User talk:90tillinfinitydue|talk]]) 07:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:Black British is perhaps too broad an article to cover social issues in, given that it includes people from very different background. Social issues are covered at [[British African-Caribbean people#Social and political issues]], which seems a more appropriate location to me. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 09:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC) |
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Early 21st Century - Covid-19 Paragraph
[edit]The paragraph on Covid-19 in the 'Early 21st Century' section routinely conflates BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnics) with black people. Much of the information cited refers to the generalised experience of people from non-white ethnicities during Covid-19 rather than the specific experience of Black British people. This is an article on Black British people, not on BAME people in the UK. Kioj156 (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
England (and Wales) versus UK
[edit]Kioj156 and EmyRussell, thanks for your recent efforts to update and improve the Social issues section. However, I think we need to make it clearer in the text that many of the statistics and charts relate to either England or England and Wales only, not the whole of the UK. At present, figures for part of the UK are being presented as if they represent all Black British people in the UK, which is often not the case. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
- Agreed. These stats and charts need clarifying. If not clarified, then removed. Koppite1 (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
however not all were Sub-Saharan African.
[edit]Someone keeps removing this line from the Elizabethan section. I thought it was important to make a distinction as this is a page for black people. An article by the Guardian says two were North African and not black, so thought it should be shown, as black can't be used interchangeably with Moroccans, etc. Menacinghat (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Article was about the Mary Rose and was linked as of this week Menacinghat (talk) 18:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
New image
[edit]Hello all, I added an image to this page as part of a short-term paid project to share images of a year of culture that was held in Leeds. There's more on the project here and more images to make use of here. Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 10:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Racism in article?
[edit]Hello, I am not an active editor or participant in talks or editing on this site, but in this article I saw mentions of anti-white genocide and I would like a second opinion on those parts of this article as it seems quite racist and conspiratorial. Night Thrasher (talk) 01:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was indeed inappropriate content. It was added just a few hours ago, and I undid that set of edits. Thanks for reporting it! DMacks (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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