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:Just inserting that example into the article isn't helpful, in my view. It needs more context. Do we have sources that establish that this was typical of the time, for example? Why are we picking this example rather than others? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 13:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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::I'm not sure what point is being made, implicitly that there was prejudice against/distaste of these people, of which this is an example. It isn't even clear who was segregated, the society members from the general clients of the pub that night or the white and non-white society members from each other. If the point is that there was prejudice, I would have thought a better, more general statement would be clearer covering something broader than this incident. [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 13:15, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
=== Film reel===
:::Agreed. I feel the same about [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Black_British&diff=751193045&oldid=751182007 this]. Why are we singling out this one film reel to open a section with? [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 17:50, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
:::I've removed the material about the film reel. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 18:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
::::Just a thought, but if the film is in the public domain, would a captioned 'still' work as an image? [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Black_British&diff=751255916&oldid=751193158 as suggested here]'' "would this be better as an image if poss?".'' [[User:Pincrete|Pincrete]] ([[User talk:Pincrete|talk]]) 22:04, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
:::::Yep, that might make more sense - using it to illustrate the article. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 22:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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== Africans born in Britain do not consider themselves "Black British" ==

Since when has Africans born in Britain considered themselves "Black British" or ever used that term to describe themselves? [[Special:Contributions/81.141.15.52|81.141.15.52]] ([[User talk:81.141.15.52|talk]]) 19:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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== Early 21st Century - Covid-19 Paragraph ==
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The paragraph on Covid-19 in the 'Early 21st Century' section routinely conflates BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnics) with black people. Much of the information cited refers to the generalised experience of people from non-white ethnicities during Covid-19 rather than the specific experience of Black British people. This is an article on Black British people, not on BAME people in the UK. [[User:Kioj156|Kioj156]] ([[User talk:Kioj156|talk]]) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


== England (and Wales) versus UK ==
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{{u|Kioj156}} and {{u|EmyRussell}}, thanks for your recent efforts to update and improve the [[Black British people#Social issues|Social issues]] section. However, I think we need to make it clearer in the text that many of the statistics and charts relate to either England or England and Wales only, not the whole of the UK. At present, figures for part of the UK are being presented as if they represent all Black British people in the UK, which is often not the case. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 07:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


:Agreed. These stats and charts need clarifying. If not clarified, then removed. [[User:Koppite1|Koppite1]] ([[User talk:Koppite1|talk]]) 22:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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== ''however not all were Sub-Saharan African.'' ==
== Add that fact ==
Someone keeps removing this line from the Elizabethan section. I thought it was important to make a distinction as this is a page for black people. An article by the Guardian says two were North African and not black, so thought it should be shown, as black can't be used interchangeably with Moroccans, etc. [[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat|talk]]) 18:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
http://web.archive.org/web/20181023134143/https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals


Article was about the Mary Rose and was linked as of this week [[User:Menacinghat|Menacinghat]] ([[User talk:Menacinghat|talk]]) 18:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hello all, I added an image to this page as part of a short-term paid project to share images of a year of culture that was held in Leeds. There's more on the project [[Wikipedia:GLAM/LEEDS 2023|here]] and more images to make use of [[c:Category:Uploaded_by_Leeds_Culture_Trust|here]]. Many thanks [[User:Lajmmoore|Lajmmoore]] ([[User talk:Lajmmoore|talk]]) 10:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


== Racism in article? ==
[[:Black British]] → {{no redirect|Black Britons}} – Per [[African Americans]]. [[User:Unreal7|Unreal7]] ([[User talk:Unreal7|talk]]) 16:25, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am not an active editor or participant in talks or editing on this site, but in this article I saw mentions of anti-white genocide and I would like a second opinion on those parts of this article as it seems quite racist and conspiratorial. [[User:Night Thrasher|Night Thrasher]] ([[User talk:Night Thrasher|talk]]) 01:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. The usual and better understood term is ''Black British''. [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Black+British%2CBlack+Briton%2CBlack+Britons&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2CBlack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20British%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2CBlack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20Briton%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2CBlack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bblack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BBlack%20Britons%3B%2Cc0 ngram] Limiting to British English gives similar results. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 18:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
:'''Oppose'''. Use the common name. [[User:Celia Homeford|Celia Homeford]] ([[User talk:Celia Homeford|talk]]) 12:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
:That was indeed inappropriate content. It was added just a few hours ago, and I undid that set of edits. Thanks for reporting it! [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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Early 21st Century - Covid-19 Paragraph

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The paragraph on Covid-19 in the 'Early 21st Century' section routinely conflates BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnics) with black people. Much of the information cited refers to the generalised experience of people from non-white ethnicities during Covid-19 rather than the specific experience of Black British people. This is an article on Black British people, not on BAME people in the UK. Kioj156 (talk) 22:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

England (and Wales) versus UK

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Kioj156 and EmyRussell, thanks for your recent efforts to update and improve the Social issues section. However, I think we need to make it clearer in the text that many of the statistics and charts relate to either England or England and Wales only, not the whole of the UK. At present, figures for part of the UK are being presented as if they represent all Black British people in the UK, which is often not the case. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. These stats and charts need clarifying. If not clarified, then removed. Koppite1 (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

however not all were Sub-Saharan African.

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Someone keeps removing this line from the Elizabethan section. I thought it was important to make a distinction as this is a page for black people. An article by the Guardian says two were North African and not black, so thought it should be shown, as black can't be used interchangeably with Moroccans, etc. Menacinghat (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article was about the Mary Rose and was linked as of this week Menacinghat (talk) 18:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New image

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Hello all, I added an image to this page as part of a short-term paid project to share images of a year of culture that was held in Leeds. There's more on the project here and more images to make use of here. Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 10:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racism in article?

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Hello, I am not an active editor or participant in talks or editing on this site, but in this article I saw mentions of anti-white genocide and I would like a second opinion on those parts of this article as it seems quite racist and conspiratorial. Night Thrasher (talk) 01:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was indeed inappropriate content. It was added just a few hours ago, and I undid that set of edits. Thanks for reporting it! DMacks (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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