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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 22:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great Lakes Arena Football

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Very minimal significant coverage from reliable sources; majority of sources are from a suspected fan site. Could not find recent coverage in a WP:BEFORE. Fails WP:GNG. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There's only one link to a Facebook page, the others are to a local newspaper while the others are to a very reliable site, which is in use for most minor league articles. This league is equivalent to the National League (division) in England (without the history). There's absolutely no reason to delete this article. Ccui123 (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ccui123 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Oppose I don't see any reason for deletion. This is a pro league, and the article is well sited. StanleyKey (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see here is I don't see any other source besides OurSportsCentral, Muskegon Sports, and local team sources. I'm expecting more than just those sources here. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football, Michigan, and Ohio. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's clearly a minor league and Our Sports Central is as good of a source you can get for leagues below the Major level. BabyBOY789 (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, there's Muskegon Sports for West Michigan Ironmen coverage, but what about coverage for the other teams? Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 17:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The league is not notable at all and there is no news articles on it except for small town news. Blake675 (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - other than the articles from "Muskegon Sports" there isn't anything else produced here or in the article to pass GNG. The Muskegon Sports articles are more relevant for the West Michigan Ironmen than this league anyway. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Muskegon Sports articles are the only ones which could be considered to meet the WP:GNG and they mostly focus on only 1 team. Delete for a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with West Michigan Ironmen since the league is inextricably tied to that team and what reliable sources are available for it are in the context of that team. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Very minimal significant coverage from reliable sources; majority of sources are from a suspected fan site. Could not find recent coverage in a [[WP:BEFORE]]. Fails [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:JalenFolf|<span style="font-size:1.2em;font-family:eurofurence;background:#368ec9;color:white">Jalen Folf</span>]] [[User talk:JalenFolf|<span style="background:#6babd6;color:black">(Bark[s])</span>]] 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-::'''Oppose''' There's only one link to a Facebook page, the others are to a local newspaper while the others are to a very reliable site, which is in use for most minor league articles. This league is equivalent to the [[National League (division)]] in England (without the history). There's absolutely no reason to delete this article. [[User:Ccui123|Ccui123]] ([[User talk:Ccui123|talk]]) 23:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
+::'''Oppose''' There's only one link to a Facebook page, the others are to a local newspaper while the others are to a very reliable site, which is in use for most minor league articles. This league is equivalent to the [[National League (division)]] in England (without the history). There's absolutely no reason to delete this article. [[User:Ccui123|Ccui123]] ([[User talk:Ccui123|talk]]) 23:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC) <small>— '''Note to closing admin''': [[User:Ccui123|Ccui123]] ([[User talk:Ccui123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ccui123|contribs]])  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this [[WP:AfD|AfD]].<!-- from Template:Page creator --> </small>
+::'''Oppose''' I don't see any reason for deletion. This is a pro league, and the article is well sited. [[User:StanleyKey|StanleyKey]] ([[User talk:StanleyKey|talk]]) 00:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::The problem I see here is I don't see any other source besides OurSportsCentral, Muskegon Sports, and local team sources. I'm expecting more than just those sources here. [[User:JalenFolf|<span style="font-size:1.2em;font-family:eurofurence;background:#368ec9;color:white">Jalen Folf</span>]] [[User talk:JalenFolf|<span style="background:#6babd6;color:black">(Bark[s])</span>]] 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/American football|American football]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Michigan|Michigan]],  and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ohio|Ohio]]. [[User:JalenFolf|<span style="font-size:1.2em;font-family:eurofurence;background:#368ec9;color:white">Jalen Folf</span>]] [[User talk:JalenFolf|<span style="background:#6babd6;color:black">(Bark[s])</span>]] 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</small>
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Organizations|list of Organizations-related deletion discussions]]. '''[[User:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">WC</span>''<span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span>'']]''' [[User talk:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">☎</span>]] [[Special:Contribs/Wcquidditch|<span style="color:#999933">✎</span>]] 22:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)</small>
+:'''Oppose''' It's clearly a minor league and Our Sports Central is as good of a source you can get for leagues below the Major level. [[User:BabyBOY789|BabyBOY789]] ([[User talk:BabyBOY789|talk]]) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
+::Additionally, there's Muskegon Sports for West Michigan Ironmen coverage, but what about coverage for the other teams? [[User:JalenFolf|<span style="font-size:1.2em;font-family:eurofurence;background:#368ec9;color:white">Jalen Folf</span>]] [[User talk:JalenFolf|<span style="background:#6babd6;color:black">(Bark[s])</span>]] 21:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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+::'''Delete:''' The league is not notable at all and there is no news articles on it except for small town news. [[User:Blake675|Blake675]] ([[User talk:Blake675|talk]]) 23:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - other than the articles from "Muskegon Sports" there isn't anything else produced here or in the article to pass GNG. The Muskegon Sports articles are more relevant for the West Michigan Ironmen than this league anyway. <span style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Eagles247|<b style="color:#004C54">Eagles</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Eagles247|<b style="color:#004C54">24/7</b>]]</span>&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Eagles247|<span style="color:#004C54; font-size:x-small">(C)</span>]] 20:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
+* '''Delete''': The Muskegon Sports articles are the only ones which could be considered to meet the [[WP:GNG]] and they mostly focus on only 1 team. Delete for a lack of [[WP:SIGCOV]]. [[User:Let&#39;srun|Let&#39;srun]] ([[User talk:Let&#39;srun|talk]]) 12:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC) <!--VCB Let'srun-->
+: '''Merge with [[West Michigan Ironmen]]''' since the league is inextricably tied to that team and what reliable sources are available for it are in the context of that team. [[User:JMyrleFuller|J. Myrle Fuller]] ([[User talk:JMyrleFuller|talk]])  22:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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