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And the funding came from ....?

Another article about a person who did something for years but where the bread, and here the money for equipment and storage space, came from does not feature. I would have liked to do a lot of things in my life but the necessity to spend my life making a crust prevented me from that. Ally Hauptmann-Gurski 2001:8003:AC60:1400:2442:B8AD:5A27:82B5 (talk) 01:31, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent point. This article currently reads somewhat like it was created by the makers of the documentary about her to promote the documentary. The current article lacks even basic biographical information beyond birth an death dates. A Philadelphia Inquirer article says that she "was a card-carrying communist who bought Apple stock at $7 and made a fortune" and her "her second husband, John S. Stokes Jr., [was] heir to a Philadelphia manufacturing fortune and a key figure in her life and in the accumulation of the television archive." https://www.inquirer.com/entertainment/movies/marion-stokes-recorder-documentary-philadelphia-vhs-vcr-20190621.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.197.154 (talk) 16:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, another article says "She also made a small fortune in Apple stock, which funded her project and 'the massive storage space she required as the sole force behind it.'" http://www.openculture.com/2019/08/how-marion-stokes-an-activist-librarian-recorded-over-30-years-of-tv-news-on-70000-video-tapes.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.197.154 (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Marion Metelits" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Marion Metelits and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 14#Marion Metelits until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 00:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Characterization of Marion’s Efforts

I think characterizing her efforts to create an archive of television history as “hoarding” is offensive & has no basis in fact. Hoarding is a mental illness and/or or an activity caused by a mental illness. Unless there’s evidence she had an actual medical condition that manifests itself as hoarding, this characterization of her efforts must be removed.

If you look at the various jobs she held, it makes sense that she would have seen television programming as something important to record for future generations. If the history of technology was different and computer hard drives & similar tech were available at the start of this project, it wouldn’t be called hoarding. But when she began, she had only VCR’s to work with & by the time newer technology was available, she’d been doing this the same way for decades & switching would probably have interrupted her work flow as she’d need to learn new technology. 2601:80:CA80:A0C0:68A4:2895:6AD1:4C4A (talk) 10:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agree, there's no citation to suggest that "compulsory hoarding" has anything to do with her archival work and I've removed that phrase. 5.198.43.94 (talk) 10:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPOV requires that the article represent "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Her behavior is directly characterized as "hoarding" in many of the major citations in this article.

PK-WIKI (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the cited sources for the phrase "compulsive hoarding" speak of her (and specifically her) "hoarding" in nearly as clinical a fashion as the article implies. "Hoarding" may be a fair representation, but diagnosing her with "compulsive hoarding" based on those two sources is hardly a neutral interpretation. Sethkushniryk (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to the change from compulsive hoarding to hoarding, but one of the two should remain per WP:NPOV. PK-WIKI (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bravo for applauding her efforts to preserving TV history Espngeek (talk) 21:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :[[WP:NPOV]] requires that the article represent "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant [[Point of view (philosophy)|views]] that have been [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|published by reliable sources]] on a topic." Her behavior is directly characterized as "hoarding" in many of the major citations in this article.
 :[[User:PK-WIKI|PK-WIKI]] ([[User talk:PK-WIKI|talk]]) 17:13, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
+::Neither of the cited sources for the phrase "compulsive hoarding" speak of her (and specifically her) "hoarding" in nearly as clinical a fashion as the article implies. "Hoarding" may be a fair representation, but diagnosing her with "compulsive hoarding" based on those two sources is hardly a neutral interpretation. [[User:Sethkushniryk|Sethkushniryk]] ([[User talk:Sethkushniryk|talk]]) 21:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::I have no objection to the change from [[compulsive hoarding]] to [[hoarding]], but one of the two should remain per [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:PK-WIKI|PK-WIKI]] ([[User talk:PK-WIKI|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 Bravo for applauding her efforts to preserving TV history [[User:Espngeek|Espngeek]] ([[User talk:Espngeek|talk]]) 21:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)