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Q: Should "Jinmen" have its own article?

A: No. Kinmen is a postal romanization of the Chinese name 金門. This transliteration system was developed in the 1890s. It is based on pronunciation in Southern Mandarin, a dialect spoken in the Lower Yangtze region, including the city of Nanjing. The spelling Kinmen is often used in material published by the Taiwanese government.^[1]

"Jinmen" is a transliteration of the same characters made using the pinyin system. Pinyin spelling reflects pronunciation in putonghua, a standardized form of the Northern Mandarin dialect spoken in Beijing and other northern cities. Schools in China have taught pupils Northern Mandarin pronunciation since the 1930s.^[2] Pinyin was adopted by China in 1958 and internationally in 1979.^[3] Taiwanese schools also teach Northern Mandarin pronunciation, called Guoyu in Taiwan. The government adopted pinyin in 2009.^[4]

An article called Jinmen would essentially duplicate this article.

References

^ For example, 2019-2020 Taiwan at a glance, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of China (Taiwan), October 2019, pp. 1, 22.
^ The National Language Commission published a pronuncation standard in 1932. (Commonly used words in the National Language (国语常用字汇)).
^ Times Revises Style of Chinese spelling", New York Times, March 4, 1979.
^ Shih Hsiu-Chuan, "Hanyu Pinyin to be standard system in 2009." Taipei Times, Sept. 18, 2008.

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Area of Islands given to too many decimal places?)

• Total	150.456 km2 (58.091 sq mi)

This seems excessive and clearly the area value provided has been estimated in one set of units. Is the area truly known to 0.001 km2 which is about 0.1 ha or less than half an acre? It might be with satellites these days but what is wrong with '150km2' ('58 sq mi')?

[1] For example, 2019-2020 Taiwan at a glance, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of China (Taiwan), October 2019, pp. 1, 22.

[2] The National Language Commission published a pronuncation standard in 1932. (Commonly used words in the National Language (国语常用字汇)).

[3] Times Revises Style of Chinese spelling", New York Times, March 4, 1979.

[4] Shih Hsiu-Chuan, "Hanyu Pinyin to be standard system in 2009." Taipei Times, Sept. 18, 2008.

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+== Area of Islands given to too many decimal places?) ==
-This page should be moved from Quemoy to Kinmen (81600 vs 220,000 on google). Quemoy is an outdated name for Kinmen. Kinmen is now used by the government, in tourist brochures, and elsewhere. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 05:41, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
+ • Total	150.456 km2 (58.091 sq mi)
+This seems excessive and clearly the area value provided has been estimated in one set of units. Is the area truly known to 0.001 km2 which is about 0.1 ha or less than half an acre? It might be with satellites these days but what is wrong with '150km2' ('58 sq mi')?
-:I agree.  I'm getting slightly different numbers from Google &ndash; 303,000 for "Kinmen" vs. 105,000 for "Quemoy" (and 41,100 for "Jinmen") &ndash; but the qualitative conclusion is the same. --[[User:MarkSweep|MarkSweep]]<big>[[User talk:MarkSweep|&#x270D;]]</big> 12:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
-I subtracted "wikipedia" so our own articles would not skew the count --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 16:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
-:I search for English pages only.. it gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Quemoy+-Wikipedia&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 69 300] hits for Quemoy, [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 72 200] for Kinmen, [http://www.google.com/search?q=Jinmen+-Wikipedia&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 33 200] for Jinmen,  [http://www.google.com/search?q=Chinmen+-Wikipedia&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 5 590] for Chinmen, and [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Chin-men%22+-Wikipedia&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en 3 910] for Chin-men. "Quemoy -Wikipedia -Kinmen" gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Quemoy+-Wikipedia+-Kinmen&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en 72 000], whereas "Kinmen -Wikipedia -Quemoy" gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia+-Quemoy&btnG=Search&lr=lang_en 68 700]. I'd prefer to keep it as it is, since the difference is not that large. &mdash; [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 10:32, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
-I really don't see a reason for *not* moving here. Exclusing non-English sites means exclusing Taiwan-based websites. The government uses Kinmen. --[[User:Jiang|Ji]][[User talk:Jiang|ang]] 21:13, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
-:"Quemoy -Wikipedia -Kinmen site:gov.tw", English pages only, gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Quemoy+-Wikipedia+-Kinmen+site%3Agov.tw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&lr=lang_en 18] hits. The same search in all languages gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Quemoy+-Wikipedia+-Kinmen+site%3Agov.tw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B 119] hits, most are European languages other than English. "Kinmen -Wikipedia -Quemoy site:gov.tw" in all languages gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia+-Quemoy+site%3Agov.tw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B  25 000] hits, many are Chinese ones ([http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia+-Quemoy+site%3Agov.tw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&lr=lang_zh-CN%7Clang_zh-TW 15 800]).
-:"Kinmen -Wikipedia -Quemoy site:gov.tw", English pages only, gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia+-Quemoy+site%3Agov.tw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&lr=lang_en 6 110] hits. By comparing 18 and 6 110, with 72 000 and 68 700 above, we can see the figures of English-language pages all over the Internet in popular usage, and by the government itself. &mdash; [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 06:41, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
-::More interestingly, "Quemoy -Wikipedia -Kinmen site:tw", English only, gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Quemoy+-Wikipedia+-Kinmen+site%3Atw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&lr=lang_en 125], and "Kinmen -Wikipedia -Quemoy site:tw" gives [http://www.google.com/search?q=Kinmen+-Wikipedia+-Quemoy+site%3Atw&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E5%B0%8B&lr=lang_en 24 900]. Compare this with 72 000 and 68 700, we can see the difference of choice between pages under the .tw country domain and those outside of the country domain. &mdash; [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 06:48, September 11, 2005 (UTC) (modified 12:40, 30 September 2005 (UTC))
-Well, on my personal website I use [[Hanyu pinyin]] exclusively --
-smarter that whatever nutcase in the presidential palace says. [[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] 05:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
-:Should the page be now renamed to Chinmen or Jinmen, to reflect the correct pronunciation of the city's name? --[[User:Atitarev|Atitarev]] ([[User talk:Atitarev|talk]]) 04:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
-::Page move unwarranted. Kinmen is the official name. There are a variety of Romanizations. [[Special:Contributions/220.132.250.244|220.132.250.244]] ([[User talk:220.132.250.244|talk]]) 03:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
-:::This is not so much about the romanisation but also endonym vs exonym. Happy to use the Wade-Giles if there is a general agreement. "Kinmen" is based on the Taiwanese dialect pronunciation, Jinmen/Chinmen on the standard Mandarin pronunciation. The latter is now used in encyclopedias (Britannica) and official maps. "Jinmen" (tonyong pinyin and hanyu pinyin) and "Chinmen" (Wade-Giles) are the 2 different romanisations of the same pronunciation. Mandarin is much more in use than Taiwanese in Taiwan. --[[User:Atitarev|Atitarev]] ([[User talk:Atitarev|talk]]) 05:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
-::::The official name is Kinmen; that makes it an [[endonym]] in my book... If EB uses Wade-Giles then again they are imposing the exonym... as for "Mandarin is much more in use than Taiwanese in Taiwan" well, where do you live? [[Special:Contributions/220.132.250.244|220.132.250.244]] ([[User talk:220.132.250.244|talk]]) 12:02, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
-==Japanese occupation==
-Were Quemoy, Matsu and other ROC's islands on the coast of PRC's Fujian Province, occupied by Japan during the Second World War? &mdash; [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 20:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
-:Yes. Quemoy and Matsu were occupied from 1937 onwards. -- [[User:Ran|ran]] ([[User talk:Ran|talk]]) 07:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
-so? japan also occupied a large amount of China, kinmen is a part of china occupied
-== history ==
-Kinmen, until the late 80's/early 90's, had a very heavy military presence. the island was essentially a fortress and owned by the ROC army, which allocated six divisions to the Kinmen defense command. due to its close proximity to mainland (on a good day one can easily swim across), controlling the island was very important to the ROC government, psychologically and militarily. [[User:Mct mht|Mct mht]] ([[User talk:Mct mht|talk]]) 23:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
-== Map ==
-I don't know whether the map is highlighted correctly. There are three pink/red squares, but only one of them is definitely part of Kinmen. I know that Kinmen has 12 islands (actually 15, I think, but three are administered by the PTC), but i don't think any of them aare as far north as the northernmost of the red squares. Any takers on this question? If no one can *prove* the squares are accurately placed, I'll alter the image accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/163.28.49.5|163.28.49.5]] ([[User talk:163.28.49.5|talk]]) 14:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
-:I suppose you're right. I've changed the map into a better one, I think.[[User:Guss2|Guss2]] ([[User talk:Guss2|talk]]) 13:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)