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== Errors with ''History of California'' links == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2023 == |
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{{u|The Rambling Man}} had reported at [[WP:ERRORS]] that the Jan 24, 1848 was not verifiable in the body by the cited source.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors&oldid=1002023653] Looking at the page's history, it seems like the links to Bancroft's ''History of California'' were incorrectly changed to point to Volume XXII instead of XXIII since October 2019.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=California_Gold_Rush&diff=919393918&oldid=916151363] I fixed the links with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=California_Gold_Rush&diff=1002047561&oldid=1002019437 this edit]. I verified that the link in footnote 4 to "Bancroft, Hubert (1888), pp. 32–34" now correctly verifies the text for the Jan 24 date. |
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I'm not a subject matter expert, so others might want to verify that other citations to that work are correct now. Regards.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 16:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC) |
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Italicize hatnote for "California Gold Rush (film)" per [[WP:ITHAT]]. [[Special:Contributions/49.150.4.134|49.150.4.134]] ([[User talk:49.150.4.134|talk]]) 02:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Thank you. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 17:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Requested move 3 January 2024 == |
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== Please remove the far-left Marxist propaganda from the introduction. == |
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There was no "California Genocide." Indians dying from a smallpox epidemic is not a genocide. The vast majority of historians writing about the gold rush do not refer to the California American Indians' deaths and mistreatment as a genocide. Only a tiny, [[WP:Fringe|fringe]] minority of activist scholars do, and it is highly controversial. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/114.32.84.229|114.32.84.229]] ([[User talk:114.32.84.229#top|talk]]) 22:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.'' |
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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Bensci54|Bensci54]] ([[User talk:Bensci54|talk]]) 16:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, there was, by definition, and there is even a linked article about it. Please provide reliable sources to back your claim if you feel that the sources cited by the article are in some way erroneous. [[User:UpdateNerd|UpdateNerd]] ([[User talk:UpdateNerd|talk]]) 01:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC) |
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* [[:California Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|California gold rush}} |
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* [[:Pike's Peak Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|Pike's Peak gold rush}} |
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* [[:Vermilion Lake Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|Vermilion Lake gold rush}} |
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* [[:Mount Baker Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|Mount Baker gold rush}} |
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* [[:Carolina Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|Carolina gold rush}} |
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* [[:Black Hills Gold Rush]] → {{no redirect|Black Hills gold rush}} |
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– Per [[MOS:CAPS]], we should only render titles as proper names if they are consistently capitalized in a significant majority of reliable sources. That is not at all the case for these gold rush articles. See ngram results: [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=california+gold+rush&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true][https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Pike%27s+Peak+Gold+Rush&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3][https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Carolina+Gold+Rush&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3][https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=black+hills+Gold+Rush&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3] - in some cases ''gold rush'' has an outright lead, while in others the ''Gold Rush'' variant leads but it is close enough that the "significant majority" mark is not met. — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 14:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' ''Gold rush'' is a descriptive term. Just because it happened at a particular place and this place is used attributively in the noun phrase|name does not ''ipso facto'' mean that the whole noun phrase should be capitalised and treated as a proper name. This is a common misperception. It is still a descriptive name (a gold rush that occurred at place X) and therefore intrinsically a common name|noun phrase. This aside, the ngram evidence clearly shows that we should not cap these terms (per [[WP:NCCAPS]] and [[MOS:CAPS]]) as they are clearly not being capped consistently in sources and do not meet the threshold (not even close) whereby these terms would be capped on Wiki. [[User:Cinderella157|Cinderella157]] ([[User talk:Cinderella157|talk]]) 23:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC) |
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No information about the exact numbers of people who immigrated from New York City to California in the 1800's but I am assuming it is 3,000 people moved from New York City to California in order to seek gold. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|talk]]) 00:47, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' no evidence of consistent capitalization ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 08:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''' obvious application on [[WP:LOWERCASE]], [[WP:NCCAPS]] and [[MOS:CAPS]] in light of source stats linked by nom, which I have reviewed. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Location == |
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:Sources population of California from 1850 to 1900 [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|talk]]) 00:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::https://depts.washington.edu/moving1/NewYork.shtml [[Special:Contributions/2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571]] ([[User talk:2603:7000:B901:8500:1C16:C236:D720:C571|talk]]) 00:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC) |
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Consider updating the location - the infobox suggests that this took place in a very small area around 100 yards square which is not backed up by the maps and other data within the article [[Special:Contributions/90.240.165.192|90.240.165.192]] ([[User talk:90.240.165.192|talk]]) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:Coordinate precision reduced per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers]] [[User:WCCasey|WCCasey]] ([[User talk:WCCasey|talk]]) 15:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Italicize hatnote for "California Gold Rush (film)" per WP:ITHAT. 49.150.4.134 (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Done Thank you. Liu1126 (talk) 17:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- California Gold Rush → California gold rush
- Pike's Peak Gold Rush → Pike's Peak gold rush
- Vermilion Lake Gold Rush → Vermilion Lake gold rush
- Mount Baker Gold Rush → Mount Baker gold rush
- Carolina Gold Rush → Carolina gold rush
- Black Hills Gold Rush → Black Hills gold rush
– Per MOS:CAPS, we should only render titles as proper names if they are consistently capitalized in a significant majority of reliable sources. That is not at all the case for these gold rush articles. See ngram results: [1][2][3][4] - in some cases gold rush has an outright lead, while in others the Gold Rush variant leads but it is close enough that the "significant majority" mark is not met. — Amakuru (talk) 14:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support Gold rush is a descriptive term. Just because it happened at a particular place and this place is used attributively in the noun phrase|name does not ipso facto mean that the whole noun phrase should be capitalised and treated as a proper name. This is a common misperception. It is still a descriptive name (a gold rush that occurred at place X) and therefore intrinsically a common name|noun phrase. This aside, the ngram evidence clearly shows that we should not cap these terms (per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS) as they are clearly not being capped consistently in sources and do not meet the threshold (not even close) whereby these terms would be capped on Wiki. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:57, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support no evidence of consistent capitalization (t · c) buidhe 08:14, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support obvious application on WP:LOWERCASE, WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS in light of source stats linked by nom, which I have reviewed. Dicklyon (talk) 04:20, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Consider updating the location - the infobox suggests that this took place in a very small area around 100 yards square which is not backed up by the maps and other data within the article 90.240.165.192 (talk) 08:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Coordinate precision reduced per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers WCCasey (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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