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Article title and POV leanings

I've been going through the history of riots, many seem to appear to be in the USA. There appears to be a common theme however in the titling of articles on Wikipedia. Race riots where the rioting group were white are listed and named as race riots, but where it's any other group it's simply listed as a 'riot' and the entire angle of the article is revisionist. I'm from a non-English speaking background in southeast Asia, and find this hypocrisy to be quite perplexing. Numerous editors (especially foreigners such as myself) point out in the history of this talk page that it should be termed a race riot, yet it appears to be outright ignored.

Can someone please enlighten me why there appears to be blatant NPOV slants on this issue? As someone with no dog in this race attempting to research the subject I find the overt bias and delegitimization of the victims of these horrific crimes to be very confusing. Vergilianae (talk) 03:49, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, the reason is that the mainstream view in the public debate on these issues is not in fact objective. Therefore NPOV does not really mean 'no point of view', it just means not diverting from the mainstream view (in the media, because those are the sources). The victims of the current riot - even if they are black storeowners - will also matter less. We can only wait for the day not far from now, that these pages will be retiteled, since now rioting is just 'protesting'. Dg21dg21 (talk) 22:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV actually means "neutral point of view" rather than "no point of view".

Wikipedia articles do tend to defer to "mainstream" US media, even when the MSM are clearly biased. I don't think this is policy, though; it just reflects preponderance of unconscious bias among Wikipedia editors. Longitude2 (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it assumed that Koreatown was only attacked because white areas were better protected? When Baltimore rioted over Freddie Gray the crowds there targeted Korean owned businesses and there isn't a white person of note in the power structure of that city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.162.0.126 (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone clarify this sentence?

"With these misunderstandings between the two races, many believe that education is the only way to gis rid of these conflicts in the future." I'm not sure.

Plus Black, as in the race, is inconsistently capitalized in the article. Could someone fix it? Thanks. I don't want to edit over someone who may understand better.--KimYunmi (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Not "LA Race Riots"? ==
+== Article title and POV leanings ==
-Hey, I'm British and don't have a great grounding in this topic - but I've always known this event referred to as "The LA Race Riots". For instance, the TV show "Drawn Together" references this name in a scene.
-Is this name NOT used today, for some specific reason?  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/5.148.47.52|5.148.47.52]] ([[User talk:5.148.47.52|talk]]) 15:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-As an American, everyone here has always referred to this event as "The LA riot" or "the LA riots". Presumably the inclusion of race in the British title serves to clarify the nature of the riots for people who don't know. [[User:TheNavigatrr|TheNavigatrr]] ([[User talk:TheNavigatrr|talk]]) 15:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
-US political activist here. I hear this referred to as the LA Rodney King Protests, or Uprising. Riot is perjorative and a consensus mainstream media term.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wiltonhall|Wiltonhall]] ([[User talk:Wiltonhall#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wiltonhall|contribs]]) 23:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:That is insane. It was pretty clearly a riot. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 04:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
-:These were clearly not ''protests'' and I have not seen them being described as such anywhere. However the term ''Rodney King Riots'' is also used, and as far as I am concerned, what the riots were actually called in 1992. On the other topic, it's hard to say why they aren't considered ''race riots,'' as the Tulsa Race Riots were considered as such. The 1992 L.A Riots seem to fix the description with the widespread race-based looting and violence. [[User:Azaan Habib|Azaan Habib]] 16:02, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
-== Article title and POV leanings. ==
 I've been going through the history of riots, many seem to appear to be in the USA. There appears to be a common theme however in the titling of articles on Wikipedia. Race riots where the rioting group were white are listed and named as race riots, but where it's any other group it's simply listed as a 'riot' and the entire angle of the article is revisionist. I'm from a non-English speaking background in southeast Asia, and find this hypocrisy to be quite perplexing. Numerous editors (especially foreigners such as myself) point out in the history of this talk page that it should be termed a race riot, yet it appears to be outright ignored.
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 : Good point, the reason is that the mainstream view in the public debate on these issues is not in fact objective. Therefore NPOV does not really mean 'no point of view', it just means not diverting from the mainstream view (in the media, because those are the sources). The victims of the current riot - even if they are black storeowners - will also matter less. We can only wait for the day not far from now, that these pages will be retiteled, since now rioting is just 'protesting'. [[User:Dg21dg21|Dg21dg21]] ([[User talk:Dg21dg21|talk]]) 22:50, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
+::NPOV actually means "neutral point of view" rather than "no point of view".
+::Wikipedia articles do tend to defer to "mainstream" US media, even when the MSM are clearly biased. I don't think this is policy, though; it just reflects preponderance of unconscious bias among Wikipedia editors. [[User:Longitude2|Longitude2]] ([[User talk:Longitude2|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 Why is it assumed that Koreatown was only attacked because white areas were better protected? When Baltimore rioted over Freddie Gray the crowds there targeted Korean owned businesses and there isn't a white person of note in the power structure of that city.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/23.162.0.126|23.162.0.126]] ([[User talk:23.162.0.126#top|talk]]) 17:47, 1 April 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+==Could someone clarify this sentence?==
-== Korean-Americans or Koreans? ==
+"With these misunderstandings between the two races, many believe that education is the only way to gis rid of these conflicts in the future."
+I'm not sure.
-Why is the term "Korean-Americans" used systematically throughout the article?
-Presumably, many of the people involved were just Korean, i.e. from Korea.
-Do we have evidence that the ethnically Korean people discussed in the article were born in the U.S. or had American citizenship?
-[[Special:Contributions/70.18.47.212|70.18.47.212]] ([[User talk:70.18.47.212|talk]]) 06:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
-:It generally just refers to any ethnically Korean people living in Los Angeles. They were often store owners too and I presume American citizens, considering that the main wave of Korean immigration came a few years before 1992. [[User:Azaan Habib|Azaan Habib]] 15:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
-== Semi Protection ==
-We should really add semi-protection to this Article since it talks about race [[User:SterlingTea|SterlingTea]] ([[User talk:SterlingTea|talk]]) 23:20, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
-:Isn't whether it has protection more about how often people vandalize? It doesn't really seem like that's happened a lot so it should be okay without protection. [[User:The Spirit of Oohoowahoo|The Spirit of Oohoowahoo]] ([[User talk:The Spirit of Oohoowahoo|talk]]) 13:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
-:If there is frequent vandalism on the page or topic it is often semi-protected, for example, any article relating to the [[Arab-Israeli Conflict]] is extended protected. But there is no vandalism here so it is not required. [[User:Azaan Habib|Azaan Habib]] 15:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
-== "robbed of nearly $2000" ==
+Plus Black, as in the race, is inconsistently capitalized in the article. Could someone fix it? Thanks. I don't want to edit over someone who may understand better.--[[User:KimYunmi|KimYunmi]] ([[User talk:KimYunmi|talk]]) 17:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
-In "Attack on Fidel Lopez", it says he was robbed of nearly $2000. Is that 1992 money or today's money? If the answer is the former, I suggest adding: "...nearly $2,000 ($4,000 in 2022) source: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1992?amount=1 [[User:Poopykibble|Poopykibble]] ([[User talk:Poopykibble|talk]]) 20:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
-:The {{tl|Inflation}} template will calculate inflated dollar values for you automatically, which removes the need to update the page yearly. For example, <nowiki>({{Inflation|US|2000|1992|fmt=eq|r=-2}}{{Inflation/fn|US}})</nowiki> produces "({{Inflation|US|2000|1992|fmt=eq|r=-2}}{{Inflation/fn|US}})". [[User:Alex Cohn|Alex Cohn]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Alex Cohn|(let's&nbsp;chat!)]]</small> 20:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
-::Ok thanks but I want to know if that $2000 was 1992 money or today's money. [[User:Poopykibble|Poopykibble]] ([[User talk:Poopykibble|talk]]) 22:01, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
-::: I just added a source for that number, a [https://www.latimes.com/local/la-xpm-2012-may-06-la-me-0506-lopez-riot-20120506-story.html 2012 LA Times interview with Lopez] that states "Not only was he badly injured on that day in 1992, but his truck was torched and his tools stolen by thugs who also made off with $2,000 Lopez had intended to deposit at a bank." I don't think there's any way to read that sentence as adjusted for inflation; it's 1992 dollars. For what it's worth, the [[Special:Diff/23356407|$2000 figure was added to this page in 2005.]]  --[[User:Alex Cohn|Alex Cohn]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Alex Cohn|(let's&nbsp;chat!)]]</small> 18:35, 2 March 2022 (UTC)