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== How is it pronounced? ==
That ought to be added to the article, so I don't sound like an idiot when I read it out loud. ;-) - [[User:Theaveng|Theaveng]] 17:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

:I concur. I still don't know the answer. I've heard people say O-ta-ku with emphasis on the O, and O-tak-u with emphasis on the middle syllable. Which is correct? ---- [[User:Theaveng|Theaveng]] ([[User talk:Theaveng|talk]]) 14:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about stress, but because of the way syllables work in Japanese the first is correct as far as how the word is broken up (letters in Japanese almost all represent consonant-vowel pairs). There's a pronunciation in there now though. [[User:Rifter0x0000|Rifter0x0000]] ([[User talk:Rifter0x0000|talk]]) 01:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
:::All of the syllables are said with the same stress. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<font color="maroon">Join WikiProject Japan</font>]]!</small> 04:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Three letters: O TA KU
Vowels in Japanese always make the same sound. O is "oh", A is "ah", and U is "ooh".

oh-tah-koo

Also consult https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/%E3%82%AA%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AF, but be aware that it's using dippy robot voice, so it's a little slurred compared to the way a human would say it. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.168.176.62|67.168.176.62]] ([[User talk:67.168.176.62|talk]]) 21:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It depends on whether you're referring to the Japanese term or the American English term. They have slightly different histories and thus slightly different current meanings, and pronunciation helps clarify which you're referring to. Lawrence Eng discusses some of what's at stake in his article on networked cultures from 2012's Fandom Unbound (Yale UP). [[User:Rylee001|Rylee001]] ([[User talk:Rylee001|talk]]) 17:29, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

== Otaku in Japan ==
Just wondering how 'derisive' a term it is in japan. If i'm not wrong i believed the ex japanese prime minister (Aso?) paraphrased something along the lines that the latest culture of japan is one that is 'otaku'. And furthermore implicitly implied that he was a manga otaku... Dont have any citations atm but i thought it may be worth noting the larger acceptance of 'otaku' culture in japan <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/220.237.8.41|220.237.8.41]] ([[User talk:220.237.8.41|talk]]) 11:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Actually, there is this Japanese show aired in HK where the culture minister(or someone along that line) used Cantonese to express that he is an Otaku. That episode is about a prize giving ceremony of the foreign language manga in which it happened to be two Hong Kong artist who got the first two position(and thus held in HK). Also, Japanese pop stars often appear in shows that are otaku based, a lot of pop stars even openly said they are otaku and are very active in anime casting. The main problem is that those are pasted shows and their own blog entry that are extremely hard to track back to source. [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 08:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

:How society perceives otaku is currently a very hot topic in Japan. You should be fully aware of the relation between otaku and anti-otaku that is almost a media-war. If you take one side, the article will inevitably become one-sided. 18:00 24 June 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/129.67.69.203|129.67.69.203]] ([[User talk:129.67.69.203|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Recently, in an article in Maichni News the noted Japanese drummer, Senri Kawaguchi described her father as a ''mecha-otaku'' (メカオタク), in a far from derogatory way. While there may be some in Japan who see it in a derogatory way, it would be a mistake to call it a derogatory term.[[User:Everlong Day|Everlong Day]] ([[User talk:Everlong Day|talk]]) 13:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

==Relation to AS?==
I don't necessarily disagree with the linking in related subjects to [[Asperger's Syndrome]], but I'm not sure there is any hard support for that correlation. It seems right, but it should be cited before adding. [[user:john.ohno]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 15:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The whole section was a mess. I kept the most relevent wikilinks and removed the rest. The presents of many of the wikilinks appear to be pushing a POV that connected otaku with mental illness. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 20:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

::Asperger's syndrome (or autism in general) is not a "mental illness", no more than, say, dyslexia, or even synesthesia (which proponents of the neurodiversity paradigm, who consider autism neutral like any personality variant, would be more likely to compare it to). (Down syndrome, for example, is not a mental illness, either.) It is generally considered a development disorder by psychiatrists. The similarity between the social awkwardness and special interests typical of Asperger's and the traits ascribed to otaku are quite obvious. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 11:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

== Proper Lexicon Missing ==

I can't help but notice that the actual Japanese alphabet spelling of otaku is glaringly absent and symbolised as '???' - is there no one that can correct this? It seems a fairly important detail for an encylopedic entry rather than so much of the cultural analysis (though woot for Gibson)! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.104.173.69|81.104.173.69]] ([[User talk:81.104.173.69|talk]]) 14:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Otaku (おたく or オタク) - right in the opening. Are you having trouble seeing Japanese characters? You might need some [[Help:Japanese]]. [[User:Biccat|Biccat]] ([[User talk:Biccat|talk]]) 20:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== Correct Japanese Spellings ==

We provide the spellings for Japanese of Otaku as "おたく or オタク" - is this correct? An online translation says the first means 'home' and the other 'mania'. Mania makes sense but i just wanted to check this. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/192.38.32.3|192.38.32.3]] ([[User talk:192.38.32.3|talk]]) 15:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The traditional word (お宅, おたく) means home, while the newer slang (おたく、オタク) means "mania" ("mania" being another Japanese word with a slightly different connotation than in English as explained in the article). —[[User:Tokek|Tokek]] ([[User talk:Tokek|talk]]) 22:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:The first generation of otaku used hiragana to spell otaku, so it was おたく, following Akio Nakamori's original article. In the 1990ies, former Gainax member Toshio Okada and self proclaimed Otaking tried to improve the image of otaku, held lectures in universities and published several books on the topic. He used the katakana spelling オタク and it has since then become the standard spelling. Though members of the first generation like Eiji Ōtsuka, editor of Manga Burikko, still use the hiragana spelling even today. [[User:NextEven|NextEven]] ([[User talk:NextEven|talk]]) 11:24, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== "Wota" ==
From the article on Japanese Wikipedia, the spelling variants are {{nihongo|おたく|otaku}}, {{nihongo|オタク|otaku}}, {{nihongo|ヲタク|wotaku}} {{nihongo|オタ|ota}}, and {{nihongo|ヲタ|wota}}. The last one {{nihongo|ヲタ|wota}}, doesn't have any difference in meaning from the other spelling variants. However on English Wikipedia, wota is treated as a subcategory and wota redirects to ota-gei (otaku that specialises in geinoujin), but I think this is based on a misunderstanding. —[[User:Tokek|Tokek]] ([[User talk:Tokek|talk]]) 22:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

==MOE==

Can someone please make a refer-to page useing Moe & than write a bit explaining the difference & similarities of Moe & Otaku? Or even give Moe it's own page?

egirl630 on Veoh says: "moe- A Japanese slang term (ironically, first employed by otaku) used to refer to the fetish for or sexual attraction to idealized people, usually a fictional perfect young girl. Since then, moé has come to be used as a general term for a hobby, mania or fetish (non-sexual or otherwise). This is contrasted with otaku, which would be taking the specific hobby, mania or fetish."

It also seems to refur for favorite types of pairing fetishes, & the more tabboo they are, the more desireable they are. Student-teacher, bodyguard-bocchama, twin brothers, human-mazoku, etc. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:Me thnks what you're trying to say is there is a correlation between these two terms. I say there isn't, and is a case wherein "correlation equal causation".

:There are neither similarities nor differences.

:Explain why, so that we may discuss on this in further detail. The user egirl630 on Veoh is [[Wikipedia:SOURCES|not a reliable source of info]], btw. --[[User:Animeronin|Animeronin]] ([[User talk:Animeronin|talk]]) 11:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
::Moe is a term used for describing things, Otaku is used for describing people. They are totally different terms, and your English needs to be improved before you try to understand Japanese loan terms. Moe is mostly used by otaku to describe things that are favourable.(It would be very unlikely to meet a non otaku that understands what moe means in Japan, quite a lot of story in Japan uses that as a plot device for conversations between otaku and their friends that are not otaku.) [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 11:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

==Negative views of "otaku"?==
I'm pretty sure it would be appropriate for wikipedia to have some sort of controversy or negative views section on the otaku article. I think encyclopedia dramatica (Despite being satirical the opinions on that site are still based on those of *channers) could be reference enough.
--[[User:Ogremagi|Ogremagi]] ([[User talk:Ogremagi|talk]]) 12:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. Especially since the meaning of otaku inside and outside Japan are different. While in Japan it has an extremely negative connotation that involves being shut-in, obsessive, gross etc, outside Japan it usually refers to any person who likes anime/manga. [[User:Komeirin|Komeirin]] ([[User talk:Komeirin|talk]]) 13:57, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

:I disagree with this. There is a danger of over-generalisation, here. While there are some who have a very negative disposition to otaku, there are just as many who do not; and I am not simply talking of members of an otaky subculture.[[User:Everlong Day|Everlong Day]] ([[User talk:Everlong Day|talk]]) 14:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

== where is criticism? ==
Well? [[Special:Contributions/199.117.69.8|199.117.69.8]] ([[User talk:199.117.69.8|talk]]) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

They haven't done anything considered super negative. So, there is no criticism about them. Besides, there isn't much of an article for the cartoon fans. Besides, they don't go lunging at people to be just like them. <span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.168.67.38|66.168.67.38]] ([[User talk:66.168.67.38|talk]]) 22:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::How about the stabbing in Akihabara? And several other crimes commited by otaku. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.117.69.8|199.117.69.8]] ([[User talk:199.117.69.8|talk]]) 18:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

What stabbings are you talking about? --[[Special:Contributions/66.168.67.38|66.168.67.38]] ([[User talk:66.168.67.38|talk]]) 20:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC) Never mind, Found it. Doesn't mention rabid Otakus, sorry to say. It mentions a guy who killed some Otakus, but, it didn't state that he was one.

:Tsutomu Miyazaki. ([[User:Momus|Momus]] ([[User talk:Momus|talk]]) 18:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC))

==Missing subject in beginning sentence of introductory paragraph==
In this essay he observed that this and most notably, animationist like Haruhiko Mikimoto and Shōji Kawamori.[3] (He observed WHAT???)-[[Special:Contributions/72.186.159.68|72.186.159.68]] ([[User talk:72.186.159.68|talk]]) 06:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

==Otaku and Wapanese aren't the same==
Otaku are people who love manga and anime. I thought wapanese were people who love Japan. It isn't the same. The should be a different article for that term.[[User:Ariana-hime|Ariana-hime]] ([[User talk:Ariana-hime|talk]]) 14:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== Weeaboo ==
Weeaboo isn't a portmantu of anything. It's from an old word filter on 4chan. [[Special:Contributions/173.9.5.45|173.9.5.45]] ([[User talk:173.9.5.45|talk]]) 19:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
* I cleaned up that sentence to make it clearer. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.18.242|72.70.18.242]] ([[User talk:72.70.18.242|talk]]) 11:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

==Huh?==
What does this sentence mean? "Otaku is derived from a Japanese term for another's house or family (お宅, otaku) that is also used as an honorific second-person pronoun."It is at the beginning of the etymology section. Can someone who understands what it means rewrite it in a clearer fashion.

[[User:Michalchik|Michalchik]] ([[User talk:Michalchik|talk]]) 07:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== pop culture list ==

Can we limit it to main story line only? Say, the NGE entry is only a minor charater being an otaku(furthermore, without source) seems to be only making the list becoming hard to read and not notable. [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 10:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

==Broken English!!==
''The main character Morisaki Kouta who is an otaku living in the residense of Higansou apartmen. When suddenly a 9 year-old girl approches him and claimed to be his daughter.''

Sound weird? Yes. Copyvio? Maybe.

[[User:TheListUpdater|TheListUpdater]] ([[User talk:TheListUpdater|talk]]) 23:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

==Shadowrun==

Replying to the comment in the revert, if "there's no need for a section on the usage in one game" because "the word is used similarly (albeit in an extreme way)," then there also is no need for an English/international section separated out from a Japanese section. Exactly the same argument applies. As to the cultural importance of this one game, check out my comments on Shadowrun's influence above.

Would this section flow better were I to emphasise differences rather than similarities? I rather thought that the concept of *literally* preferring to live in the Matrix rather than the real world defined the essential difference, but a different approach may be preferred. - Tenebris <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.112.27.247|207.112.27.247]] ([[User talk:207.112.27.247|talk]]) 02:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It would be fine to have a section like that in the Shadowrun article, but not in this article. Shadowrun does not have enough of a global influence for mention in this article. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 02:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

::Hmm. While the importance of relevance is understood for any Wikipedia article as a whole, I am unaware of any Wikipedia policy which demands global influence for every subsection, only that each subsection have relevance to the topic. The Shadowrun usage of otaku certainly meets that criterion. - Tenebris
:::Try [[WP:Trivia]]. If your logic works, then thousands of relevant series would be included into this article. [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 07:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

::::Does not apply here. This is not a tangential pop culture mention in one medium or another, but core to the understanding of what otaku is. I understand that the nature of otaku is to focus on the value of one to the exclusion of all else, but here the otaku-focus is being applied to exclude an influence of close to equal influence, for all the reasons I have already given in this talk thread. Before you dismiss as trivia, you might answer the arguments given to that effect in the other section above. - Tenebris

:::::The most that could be included is something along the lines of "In the roleplaying game ''Shadowrun'', "otaku" is a character class." Anything beyond that (from the section you tried to include) would be original research. You can include the information in the ''[[Shadowrun]]'' article if you can find a way to do it that isn't original research, but there is no valid reason for including it here which doesn't run afoul of [[WP:TRIVIA]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 20:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::I'd be willing to bet that most otaku don't even know what Shadowrun is, so I doubt it's "core to understanding what otaku is". The article no more needs a secion on the Shadowrun class than [[samurai]] needs one on street sams. &mdash; [[User:Gwalla|Gwalla]] | [[User talk:Gwalla|Talk]] 21:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== Police profiling ==

It appears that in Japan, profiling based on an individuals' appearance by police is prevalent in areas such as [[Akihabara]], where people who appear to be "Otaku" are singled out and searched for weapons.
*[http://www.japanator.com/the-hunt-for-the-otaku-is-on--7142.phtml The hunt for the otaku is on!]
I may be able to provide more sources if needed. --<span style="border:1px solid yellow;padding:1px;">[[User:benlisquare|<span style="color:#FFFF00; background:red;">'''&nbsp;李博杰&nbsp;'''</span>]]</span> | <small>—[[User talk:benlisquare|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Benlisquare|contribs]] [[Special:EmailUser/User:Benlisquare|email]]</small> 13:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:Interesting. Now if it would only appear in a reliable source... ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:52, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
== Suggested link and comments on writing style ==
I'd like to suggest the following link for inclusion in the reference section:
* [http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/otaku.html The origin and meaning of "Otaku"]
I had added it to the article but another editor was not happy with the web page author adding a link to his own article. Fair enough, but I think this is a useful link, so I am adding it to the talk page for your review. If you consider it useful, please consider adding it to the links.

Also, I'd like to point out that the article's writing style seems very disjointed. It looks as if some people have added sentences into the article, especially the top part of the article, without considering the flow of logic of the writing, so the first two paragraphs of the article don't actually make sense. Continuing down the page, the writing style in the "In Japan" section is so disjointed that it almost seems nonsensical. --[[User:Sljfaq2|Sljfaq2]] ([[User talk:Sljfaq2|talk]]) 08:01, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

For example, from the first paragraph, the two sentences in bold here seem completely disjointed from the paragraph, and the net effect is that the first paragraph makes no sense at all:
<blockquote>
As an honorific second-person pronoun
Otaku is derived from a Japanese term for another's house or family (お宅, otaku) that is also used as a honorific second-person pronoun. The modern slang form, which is distinguished from the older usage by being written only in hiragana (おたく) or katakana (オタク or, less frequently, ヲタク), or rarely in rōmaji, appeared in the 1980s. '''In the anime Macross, first aired in 1982, the term was used by Lynn Minmay as an honorific term.[3][4]''' It appears to have been coined by the humorist and essayist Akio Nakamori in his 1983 series An Investigation of "Otaku" (『おたく』の研究 "Otaku" no Kenkyū?), printed in the lolicon magazine Manga Burikko. '''Animators like Haruhiko Mikimoto and Shōji Kawamori used the term among themselves as an honorific second-person pronoun since the late 1970s.[4]'''
</blockquote>
--[[User:Sljfaq2|Sljfaq2]] ([[User talk:Sljfaq2|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

:The only problem I see is that it would be linking to a discussion on a newsgroup. Anyone can participate there, and newsgroups are never considered reliable at all. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]</sup> · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

::I don't see the so called net effect, it is probably a matter of logical thinking method here.
<blockquote>
As an honorific second-person pronoun
Otaku is derived from a Japanese term for another's house or family (お宅, otaku) that is also used as a honorific second-person pronoun. The modern slang form, which is distinguished from the older usage by being written only in hiragana (おたく) or katakana (オタク or, less frequently, ヲタク), or rarely in rōmaji, appeared in the 1980s. '''In the anime Macross, first aired in 1982, the term was used by Lynn Minmay as an honorific term.[3][4]''' It appears to have been coined by the humorist and essayist Akio Nakamori in his 1983 series An Investigation of "Otaku" (『おたく』の研究 "Otaku" no Kenkyū?), printed in the lolicon magazine Manga Burikko. '''Animators like Haruhiko Mikimoto and Shōji Kawamori used the term among themselves as an honorific second-person pronoun since the late .
.[4]'''
</blockquote>
The second bolded sentence shares the same source as the Akio and the sentence above it, also bolded is the first media appearance of the word. Everything above that is only an intro to the word rendered in Japanese. I don't see disjointments here. You can try to make it into two paragraphs so the second paragraph starts with the Macross quote, this may help. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 01:08, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::: Writing something in a style which requires "logical thinking", as if it was a puzzle, doesn't seem a good idea to me. --[[User:Sljfaq2|Sljfaq2]] ([[User talk:Sljfaq2|talk]]) 02:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I am saying it is how you look at it, it is not a puzzle, you only need to try to use other ways to read it. You seems to tend to think that every sentence has to have something to do with the previous sentence, this is not always the case. This paragraph is giving facts, not analysis, each sentence presents a fact, and the Macross mention till the end is pretty much only a re-sentenced version from the source. I don't see why it is hard to understand or ''disjointed'' like you suggested. You can try to improve it by keeping the facts and sources, feel free to do so, but I don't think I can offer any more than what have been written(and I wrote it, so probably I can understand my own logic anyway) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 15:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::::: '''"You seems to tend to think that every sentence has to have something to do with the previous sentence"''' - yes, that's a reasonable summary of what I think. Anyway I'm sorry if I offended you by criticizing your writing style. Wishing you the best. --[[User:Sljfaq2|Sljfaq2]] ([[User talk:Sljfaq2|talk]]) 02:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I don't care if anyone criticize my writing, feel free to change it if you can, I know my writting can be hard to understand sometimes, however, I don't think every sentence should be related to the previous. Even commercial writings do not do that as a must. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 04:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll second your reference, reading the wikipedia article it does not capture the essense of the word. The reference may be disjointed but the information is correct. An Otaku is someone with next to no social skills who is unhealthily obsessed with their obsession (which is why okaku also means one's home, as in house bound). Simply put its like calling an idiot mentally retarded.[[User:Cha-Otoko| Tea Man]] 20:09, 24/2/2012 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Needs a source==
The line "In Japan there has been some negativity towards otaku and otaku culture, incidents including the Akihabara Massacre and the Osaka School Massacre, just a few of the crimes related to "otaku hatred" or "obsession" " need a verified source, I have looked at the articles on the two incidents mentioned, and neither of them had Otaku Hatred as any of the reasons for the crime, just because a crime takes place in an area known for a certain group, doesn't mean its against that group, in the first incident, it could have been very well only chosen for the high population of potential victims, and not what the victims were regarded as.~metalica11~06/07/2009 1:46 am est <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Metalica11|Metalica11]] ([[User talk:Metalica11|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Metalica11|contribs]]) 05:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Needs a source (again)==
I have to agree with the very first point made on this discussion page. There is still no source regarding a link between the Osaka School Massacre o the Akihabara Massacre and otaku. Nor does the English wikipedia page for the massacres mention it. Maybe someone who can read Japanese can verify a source for this somewhere? Otherwise I think the reference to these crimes needs to go.
[[Special:Contributions/24.201.152.243|24.201.152.243]] ([[User talk:24.201.152.243|talk]]) 03:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

You can the remove the "needs source, as contains original research", as I have added contemporary references. Being Lazy - I've not tracked down the online articles, even though I'm sure the magazines will contain them - so not added hrefs. Will make the page neater, so: Someone with power, please do so, ta [[Special:Contributions/109.154.144.90|109.154.144.90]] ([[User talk:109.154.144.90|talk]]) 11:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC) ( as "Lazy" Saccade. Ie, not signed in)

==How do I pronounce the word Otaku???==

I asked this question all the way back in 2007 and still don't know. It would be nice to inform the readers in the article by providing an English pronunciation. ---- [[User:Theaveng|Theaveng]] ([[User talk:Theaveng|talk]]) 21:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
:It is a Japanese word, so you would pronounce it as ''oh-tah-kooh'' basically. See [http://homepage.mac.com/psminkey/running/page9/page10/page10.html this page] on how to pronounce Japanese vowels if you're still confused. <span style="border: 1px solid #c40000; background: #fff; padding: 1px; font-size: 10px;">[[User:mx3|<span style="background: white 0% 0%; color: #c40000;">&nbsp;mx3</span><span style="background: white 0% 0%; color: #444; font-size: 90%;">&nbsp;(Sorafune)</span>]] [[User talk:mx3|<span style="background: #c40000; color: #fff; text-decoration: none; padding: 0px 2px;">話</span>]]</span> 22:32, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Do We Really Need Another Article For the World Nerd/Geek==
Seriously, at least this isn't as bad as having different articles for seiyuu and voice actor. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.152.187.104|86.152.187.104]] ([[User talk:86.152.187.104|talk]]) 08:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:We don't have any articles for nerd or geek worlds. But if you're talking about the ''words'', then yes, we do. Geek, nerd, and otaku are not the same thing. <span style="border: 1px solid #c40000; background: #fff; padding: 1px; font-size: 10px;">[[User:mx3|<span style="background: white 0% 0%; color: #c40000;">&nbsp;mx3</span><span style="background: white 0% 0%; color: #444; font-size: 90%;">&nbsp;(Sorafune)</span>]] [[User talk:mx3|<span style="background: #c40000; color: #fff; text-decoration: none; padding: 0px 2px;">話</span>]]</span> 16:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

==Etymology==
"Yamanote dialect" removed.And a point of"in understandable English" is not possible to understand for me "What is understandable"(;´Д`)(´Д`)(´Д`;)・・・It thinks extremely fortunately if it mends appropriately. (by Machine translation[http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/])--[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 16:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:Sorry, but your additions have not been in understandable English, which is why I removed them. If your English capability is so poor that you have to rely on machine translations like that above, I think you should consider editing on the Japanese Wikipedia project instead. --[[User:DAJF|DAJF]] ([[User talk:DAJF|talk]]) 00:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

あなたがただしい英語になおせばいいだけではないか。出典付の情報をむやみに削除するな。(Do you only have not to translate into correct English?Do not delete information with the source excessively. )--[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 00:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)I apologize for becoming the instruction tone. Please do not delete information with the source excessively even if it is described by the English word and the English grammar not interpreted easily for you. You can participate in the edit of Wikipedia by correcting it to an easy word and an easy English grammar. Thanks.--[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 00:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:I've reverted the addition as well. For one, I really couldn't tell what it was all about because the quality of the English was so poor. The external link was to a website that wouldn't pass the English Wikipedia's standards for a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] either. I'm also not sure what exactly the link is suppose to source. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 03:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

==Poor source?==
The dictionary site[http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/santou/page007.html] makes this book[http://opac.ndl.go.jp/Process?MODE_10100001=ON&SEARCH_WINDOW_INFO=01&THN=2&INDEX_POSITION=1&DB_HEAD=01&SORT_ORDER=01&SHRS=RUSR&QUERY_FILE=5411535268_9531439&TA_LIBRARY_DRP=99&DS=0&CID=000001247063&SS=01&SSI=0&SHN=2&SIP=2&LS=5411535268] a radical. Is that good though it is also possible to delete the link and to introduce this book directly? --[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 08:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:There is nothing about the website that indicates that it is a reliable source. Anyone can throw up a website, but that doesn't make it reliable. And the second link you provided is giving a 404 error. Also, if you don't know English well enough to write coherently, then editing articles on the English Wikipedia may not be the thing for you. —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 11:35, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

::Woops! 404(´Д`)[http://opac.ndl.go.jp/recordid/000001247063/jpn](It is a Japanese document.東京方言集)--[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)Because it is atmosphere that the contribution block seems to be done, the after is good for you&you. --[[User:大和屋敷|大和屋敷]] ([[User talk:大和屋敷|talk]]) 15:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Ore no Imouto ==

I think Ore no Imōto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai should be included as well. There are also plenty of parodies of the treatment of otaku by the media, otaku and others. -[[Special:Contributions/69.237.109.158|69.237.109.158]] ([[User talk:69.237.109.158|talk]]) 22:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

==What would be the equivalent phrase or word in English?==
Since the article says it has very negative connotations in Japanese, would "nut-job" or "wacko" be an equivalent word in English? In other words, saying to your friend, "He's some sort of bird-watching wacko" or "He's one of those 60-year old nut-jobs who still plays with those little green army soldiers, reenacting the Battle of the Bulge every evening". Does that convey the same sort of meaning that it does in Japanese?
[[User:Jimindc|Jimindc]] ([[User talk:Jimindc|talk]]) 22:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
:Nerd/Geek would be pretty much the same. The negative connotation of the term is more towards the social culture in Japan, people hate to be called as a different group than others, since it took away their social status of belonging to the society. Any words you suggest in English will not carry the same effect since people are less concern of being different from the rest.(many are even happy to be different) Think of it as like being called as a [[Aspie]], [[psycho]], just because having a different hobby than others. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 01:26, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Otaku is used over here too. However it refers to specifically interest in japanese pop culture particularly anime, so I don't think it carries the same meaning as a 'japanese person obsessed with their own popular culture'.
I see 'weaboo' also used to imply this even more when the person is actually trying to be japanese, but knows nothing about japan really as only informed by watching animes, uses japanese words in conversation, thinks they are learning japanese because they learnt to use 'kawaii' and '-san' etc. (basically 'otaku taken to annoying extremes')
But I think nerd/geek is equivalent in the status it WAS used not so long ago as very derogatory, now not so much as just used to describe now acceptable/widespread interests like computers or video-games or used to describe having technical/scientific intelligence. It used to not describe intelligent-often the opposite, but obsession with hobbies/collecting, living in mom's basement at 40 etc.. (gamers, those with obsession over tv series particularly ones for children, people who play games workshop, people who collect something particularly toys, comic book obsessives, people with train-sets etc...maybe that's the equivalent?)
:: The foreigner use is mixed with positive and pejorative uses - English usage is not well-documented, but generally anyone who really would meet the definition of an otaku (as per the Japanese definition) understands it is not generally a good thing. Nerd/Geek doesn't cover it and you won't find an analog so easily. Different culture, different concept. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 05:37, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

== Hiragana/Katakana ==

おたく returned 6.58 million results and オタク 31.8 million. Also, when I did the first search, it even prompted if I was looking for the latter. Yes, I know the Hiragana one is correct and the latter is not, yet it is so wildly used that it is worth some mention. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 07:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Single-sided Intro? ==

As of July 31, 2011, the intro section of the article has the following text: "Otaku (おたく / オタク) is a Japanese term used to refer to people with obsessive interests, particularly anime, manga, or video games."

Upon examining the entire article, it would indicate that the intro is taken from the "In English" section, which begins with: "The term is a loanword from the Japanese language. In English, it is usually used to refer to an obsessive fan of anime/manga and/or Japanese culture generally, and to a lesser extent Japanese video games."

One potential issue with this is that, since the intro section is meant to provide an overview of what a particular subject matter entails, the single-sentence intro appears to promote a narrowed, single-sided, and unbalanced interpretation of the word "otaku" by many circles around the world, while ignoring what the original meaning of the word is and ''how'' the modern slang usage of the word came about in Japan (note: referring to my edits to the article on August 1 and 2, 2011). For people who are unfamiliar with the term to begin with, the intro text has an undesirable effect to lead one to believe that:
* anime, manga, and video games are all "obsessive interests;"
* all otakus are "obsessive" individuals;
* or, it is okay if one goes out to an arcade to play video games on a random basis from time to time, but if he/she does the same at '''[[home]]''', then holy moly, the person must be obsessed or the hobby must be an obsessive one!

Given how well-read Wikipedia is globally and how links to Wikipedia often come out at the top of search engine results, I am sure many would agree that articles on Wikipedia should always strive to maintain a neutral point of view and encompass multiple viewpoints including negativity and criticism. However, the existing intro text of "otaku" potentially breeds wide-scale misunderstanding and unnecessarily disparages a specific group of people. As such, it is my sincere hope that my contributions to the article will be kindly reviewed and reconsidered, otherwise unfortunate incidents such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Otaku&action=historysubmit&diff=443467146&oldid=443452790 revision 443452790] are bound to reoccur.

[[User:Ocyl|Oscar]] 12:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

:As far as I can see, the intro adequately summarizes the content of the article as a whole. The etymology of the word (meaning "one's home" or "you" in Japanese") is properly explained in the "Etymology" section immediately following the introduction. I disagree that the article paints anime, manga, and video games of their fans as "obsessive", but it certainly (correctly) describes "otaku" as somewhat "obsessive" since that is part and parcel of the meaning. The editor above also seems to be confusing the original meaning of "one's home" as being related to activities done at home - which is not the case. "Otaku" activities are certainly not limited to home - as exemplified by railway otaku or cosplay otaku, amongst others. --[[User:DAJF|DAJF]] ([[User talk:DAJF|talk]]) 02:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

:: I would like to object once again to the discriminatory tone and narrow-minded view carried by the main article, particularly in the opening sentence. According to a 2013 survey conducted by Mynavi, a career development and public opinion research agency in Japan, more than 50% of people under the age of 30 consider themselves as an otaku, with the term now commonly used to describe anyone who is familiar with any given hobby or interest, but without the derogatory "obsessive" connotation. The survey has a sample size of 137734 respondents, one of the largest in recent years; its results and some of the responses can be seen at http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2013/04/27/076/.

:: In comparison, the view currently expressed in the English version of Wikipedia article is obscene and clearly outdated. It comes across as an mean-spirited opinion piece written in late 1990 / early 2000 with a thin-veiled despite of Japanese language, culture, and society. It ignores how the term has positively evolved in the last decade, and as a result, the article is neither balanced nor neutral by today's standards. Prior to the American Civil War, language and publication in which a portion of the population were unjustly discriminated were commonplace. Today it is no longer the case in most corners of society. The intro section of this Wikipedia article, in my personal opinion, presently functions as an attack banner that encourages bias and prejudice, and should be remedied regardless of original intent. -- [[User:Ocyl|Oscar]] 10:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

==More stuff==
*Bennett, Colette. "[http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/12/otaku-is-it-a-dirty-word/ Otaku: Is it a dirty word?]." ''[[CNN]]''. September 12, 2011.
[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 00:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

==Differences between Male and Female Otaku==

I really feel that this should be removed as [[WP:SOAP]] (Opinion pieces). While I understand there are differences between Male and female Otaku I feel that the section does not help the article and is too narrow in scope, that and it just talking about spending habits (Anime and Manga) and not Otaku as a whole. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 02:01, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

{{Talk:Otaku/GA1}}

== Comments ==

Ok, I'm going through the article and doing a copyedit. Here are a few sentences that confused me:
*"after the release of works like Mobile Suit Gundam before branched into Comic Market" I'm not sure I understand here.
*"Other institutions have split it further or focus on a single otaku interest" I get the first part, but "Other institutions ... focus on a single otaku interest" is a bit unclear to me.
*"The economic impact of otaku has been estimated to be as high as ¥2 trillion ($18 billion)." I assume this is because they buy a lot of products? Might want to spell that out.
*"applied the term to unpleasant fans in caricature" A little unsure of the meaning here, what do you think of "used the term to caricature unpleasant fans"?
*"but noted that Fan Rōdo (Fan road) contained the same otaku attributes under "culture clubs" which was published in 1981" how about 1981" how about "but noted that Fan Rōdo (Fan road), published in 1981, contained the same otaku attributes under "culture clubs" or something similar?
*"interviews the novelist, artist and Gundam chronicler Yuka Minakawa." maybe just use one title to describe her? Perhaps something general like "writer".
*You might want to explain a bit about the Otaku murderer, or at least why he's called that.
*""When these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors - and people suddenly see an “otaku” as a person unable to relate to reality".[7][8]" You should say who's being quoted here. [[User:Mark Arsten|Mark Arsten]] ([[User talk:Mark Arsten|talk]]) 21:50, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

:::Thanks, I see that the key issue is context for esoteric things. I'll have to explain a few points better, but I am glad there are not too many issues. Though I believe I may end up having to find or create a collected sterotype of otaku as a result of these concerns. Page 2 of [http://www.escholarship.org/uc/item/5zb9r8cr# this] source contains an English translation of the original 1983 essay. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 03:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

*You might want to include a brief parenthetical explanation of Japanese words that might be unfamiliar to most westerners, like "a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of yaoi material (describe yaoi)." That might just be my preference though.
*Check for common words that don't need to be linked (like "fan") or words that are linked more than once in the body of the article.
*Are there differences in the way the term is used in, say, the US vs how it's used in Japan?
*" Of these groups, comics was the largest, with 350,000 individuals and ¥83 billion market scale ... Travel otaku was the largest, with 250,000 individuals and ¥81 billion." Make up your mind here, which is largest? :)
*"The third type is the "media-sensitive multiple interest" otaku, whose interests are diverse yet strong hobbyists who is open and shares their interests with others." I think you meant to say something else here, rather than "whose interests are ... hobbyists" It sounds like they're interested in other hobbyists. [[User:Mark Arsten|Mark Arsten]] ([[User talk:Mark Arsten|talk]]) 21:26, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
:: Thanks, every thing helps, I've been tinkering and trying to address the issues, but I suppose I'll need to wait a bit and come back with fresh eyes before trying to make this even better before submitting to FAC. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 03:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:::The Gundam sentence, I think it is talking about a specific anime boom event, where the director and creator of Gundam, [[Yoshiyuki Tomino]] held an event with the release of the first Gundam Movie and made a speech called "New Century of Anime Declaration"(アニメ新世紀宣言). Which led to an otaku boom, kinda like a coming out event where otaku [[cosplay]]ed in public as characters of the show. It is possibly sourceable in Fan Road and [http://www.asahi.com/showbiz/manga/TKY200910170173.html here]. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 12:22, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:::: Fan Road doesn't have it I'm afraid, but the source didn't draw a clear parallel to one series, but I've never seen it tied to the movies which were largely cut content from the show. The impetus seems to be the identification of a subculture that social outcasts would draw them in and change anime to cater to their interests. They embodied the "loser's culture" and disappear as soon as it goes mainstream, according to the essay on otaku. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 13:03, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::Well, the movies is when Gundam hits mainstream media. The TV show did not have a lot of viewers so it was cut to only 43 episodes(planned to be 50). Fan Road is a source suggested in the Japanese article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|signed]] comment added by</small> [[User:Mythsearcher|MythSearcher]]<sup>[[User talk:Mythsearcher|talk]]</sup> 15:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::: And the other source I have says that when something hits the mainstream the otaku leave it because its not a refuge, I don't want to have a possible synthesis here where something could be factually incorrect as a result of reading into this. Also, it wasn't just Gundam. I guess something needs to be done though... [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 15:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

== Tomohiro Machiyama's involvement in Otaku no hon ==
"Later that year, Tomohiro Machiyama wrote a book called Otaku no Hon (おたくの本 lit. The Book of Otaku?), which delved into the subculture of otaku and has been claimed by scholar Rudyard Pesimo to have popularized the term.[7]"

Tomohiro Machiyama didn't write that book, according to Wikipedia he was the planning editor. He is not credited in the publication.

It is a collection of 19 articles by as many authors, among them Akio Nakamori, the original person to coin the term otaku. The editor credited is Shinji Ishii.

It was released as the 104th volume of Bessatsu Takarajima, a "magazine on knowledge of your contemporaries".

I will change the passage as follows:

"Later that year, the contemporary knowledge magazine Bessatsu Takarajima dedicated its 104th issue to the topic of otaku. It was called Otaku no Hon (おたくの本 lit. The Book of Otaku) and delved into the subculture of otaku with 19 articles by otaku insiders, among them Akio Nakamori, who originally coined the term. This publication has been claimed by scholar Rudyard Pesimo to have popularized the term.[7]"

[[User:NextEven|NextEven]] ([[User talk:NextEven|talk]]) 05:51, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Please explain why he is credited and cited as its author and why ANN and other books refer and acknowledge him as the author.[http://books.google.com/books?id=-mOCOZz-YtoC&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=Otaku+no+hon+Tomohiro+Machiyama&source=bl&ots=BeMl87q0xu&sig=7Go86g7oJKa7kOzr71gJbv1uTns&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DEipUq6WH8rWkQfU64HQCQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Otaku%20no%20hon%20Tomohiro%20Machiyama&f=false][http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2005-04-12/3] [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 05:25, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

I've noticed that there has been repeated vandalism on this article over the year, so I'm going to semi-protect this for a month against newer editors and IPs. The vandalism here isn't super heavy, but it does appear to be somewhat persistent. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 14:33, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
*If this continues on past the month and continues to happen on an almost monthly basis (which seems to be the case here) then this might warrant an extension. Hopefully this will deter them for a while, though. [[User:Tokyogirl79|Tokyogirl79]][[User talk:Tokyogirl79|'''<span style="color:#19197; background:#fff;"> (。◕‿◕。)</span>''']] 14:33, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

== Subtype cars section is wrong. ==

> Other terms, such as Itasha (痛車?), literally "painful car"

This is wrong. Itasha is simply a concatenation of italian + sensha (chariot). This used to refer to the influx of a large amount of fancy italian sports cars, mostly Ferrari, during the "economic wonder" decades of Japan. For example, the Sailor Moon manga's author, Ms. Naoko Takeuchi used to drive an open-top F355. Later the shorthand was transferred to decorated cars, usually still somewhat sporty types, e.g. boxer-engined Subaru or a V8 pick-up. Itasha decals don't need to be anime / manga themed but almst always are. [[Special:Contributions/92.52.247.220|92.52.247.220]] ([[User talk:92.52.247.220|talk]]) 22:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

== Illustrating the etymological origin ==

English lacks a politeness distinction comparable to the [[T–V distinction]] common in European languages, but couldn't the pronoun ''otaku'' be compared to the French ''vous'' or German ''Sie''? (I do know that the Japanese pronoun system is far more complicated, but a rough analogy for the lay reader may be beneficial to understand the idea behind the term ''otaku''.) In Early Modern English, the corresponding pronoun would be ''ye'', as opposed to the familiar ''thou''. The only way to reproduce the effect in a simple way I can think of right now would be to address a person as ''(dear) sir/madam'', as is sometimes done jokingly by young people on the Internet as well, or keep saying ''Mr./Ms. X'' instead of using the first name. This should make the semantic development clearer: ''otaku'' are people who are prone to social awkwardness, illustrated by the use of excessively formal, "correct", pedantic or polite and socially distant language inappropriate in the context (i. e., not in a context of, say, role-playing upper-class characters).

This is also, by the way, considered fairly typical of people with Asperger syndrome, especially children (Hans Asperger himself dubbed his child patients "little professors"). They may, however, be perceived as rude because of their bluntness in other situations, without intending to be rude or even being aware of committing a faux-pas; it's their manner of speech that tends to be on the formal side. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 12:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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== Bibliography ==
There is an extensive and up-to-date bibliography about otaku culture [https://warosu.org/jp/thread/19376807 here]. Take care. --[[User:BaldusY|BaldusY]] ([[User talk:BaldusY|talk]]) 00:54, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

== ''Otaku'' or Otaku ==

The article is inconsistent in its use of italics for the subject. It should be ''otaku'' throughout or otaku throughout, instead of switching back and forth. [[User:Gnome de plume|Gnome de plume]] ([[User talk:Gnome de plume|talk]]) 16:47, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

== Sources in Usage ==
Regarding the quote "When these people are referred to as otaku, they are judged for their behaviors - and people suddenly see an otaku as a person unable to relate to reality" in the usage section, I think the article would benefit from more robust sources about judgement of otaku, particularly in Japan. References 14 and 15 both appear to be blog posts, so hardly authoritative, and written from a decidedly non-Japanese POV. Additionally, reference 15 is actually a post in response to an NYT Magazine article which predicated its entire argument on incorrectly cited statistics. If the purpose of these sources is to show how otaku are perceived in America/the West that should be stated, and in any case there should probably be some Japanese sources for its use in Japan. Maybe we could include some of the information mentioned in the "Otaku in Japan" topic below? --[[User:RampagingKoala|RampagingKoala]] ([[User talk:RampagingKoala|talk]]) 01:12, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

== Otaku ==


The NRI classification list bears no mention of military otaku. Considering the volume of otaku-related media that caters to this demographic, [[Girls und Panzer]], [[Strike Witches]], [[Kantai Collection]], etc. I think it bears some mention. There's a complex history here that includes alternate history narratives (kakuu senki [[ja:架空戦記]]), especially postwar, the invention of the [[airsoft gun]], and the Japanese-domestic military plastic model industry, most famously the output of [[Tamiya Corporation]]. [[User:Zetagaming|Zetagaming]] ([[User talk:Zetagaming|talk]]) 22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
correct definition of otaku, otaku is a person who loves anime or manga according to the definition of oxford languages, neither more nor less. [[User:Hastengeims|Hastengeims]] ([[User talk:Hastengeims|talk]]) 19:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
: In English-language usage in Anglophone contexts, maybe, but it's more complicated than that--look at the sources of the article. (Usually, I'm the person saying that even in Japan is is primarily associated with manga and anime fans. But here, I have to take the opposite tack, because the word otaku is complex and ''cannot'' be simply reduced down to animanga fans.) [[User:Sandtalon|Sandtalon]] ([[User talk:Sandtalon|talk]]) 20:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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Development of Otaku

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The Booming Animation Production (late 1970s - mid 1980s)[1]

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The animations of this time not only defined by the traditional animations for children but also include a huge amount of animations targeting on adolescents in middle school and high school. For example, the broadcasting of animations like Space Battleship Yamato, Galaxy Express 999, Lupin the Third, Gundam on TV channels and theaters bring animations into public view and their popularities promoted the development of the industry of anime. During this time period, people who are interested in anime are called anime fan without any bias or favor.

Bubble Economy Period (late 1980s - early 1990s)

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Since the period of Japanese asset price bubble, in which real estate and stock market prices were greatly inflated and people were getting wealthier, more and more people got very strong interest in animations that have a high quality in both pictures and actions. Due to the economic growth, the purchasing power of individuals was also increasing. People were willing to pay for the expensive electronic device and audio and video equipment. It is the time when OTAKU identified themselves in the society and was known by the public as a social phenomenon. The most famous OTAKU at that time is Okada Toshio, the CEO of Gainax (a animation production), also known as "OTAKing" (King of OTAKU). Gainax also produced two episodes of semi-biography called 'OTAKU no Video'(OTAKU's video), introducing OTAKU and described the environment of ACG of Japan in the video at that time.

In 1989, the case of Tsutomu Miyazaki led to a narrow and negative definition of OTAKU by the public.[2] It is also a shock to the rapid developing animation industry and resulted the emergence of bias and blame on the group of OTAKU. Since then, the public forms a general impression of OTAKU -- Adults who are crazy about animations are abnormal and childish.

Appearance of EVA and Prevalence of Video games (late 1990s)

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The play of EVA is considered as a huge event in the animation industry. Under the social and economic instability, more and more adolescents started to be filled with concerns about uncertainty of their future and lack confidence in society. EVA raises the attentions of adolescents by its impact content. It is even studied as a social phenomena by experts.

Moreover, the prevalence of TV game and video game and also the prosperous of game industry motivated a lot of famous game productions.

After the showing of EVA, Okada Toshio published a book called Otakugaku nyumon(Introduction to Otakuology) on May, 1996 claiming that OTAKU is the orthodox heir of Japanese culture.[3] The book itself is also considered as 'bible of OTAKU'.

Popularization and Inundation of Anime marketing (early 2000s)

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By the production of more and more animations into the market, the marketing of animation to be universal and prevalent. The video tape which was worth of 10000 yen was replaced by relative cheaper software and DVDs. The works used to target on the maniac of animations are accepted by the general public. By the widespread use of computers and game devices, the marketing aiming at OTAKU is focused the government and general market. Its potential revenue is also evaluated by Nomura Research Institute (NRI) as high as two trillion and three hundred billion yen.[4]

Overall assessment

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Due to the maniac of subculture, most OTAKU do not have very strong social skill and are not active in the social events. Therefore, the general impression on OTAKU tends to be negative. However, there are a lot famous stars and politicians in Japan claiming their identities as OTAKU. For example, idol group SMAP sometimes attends OTAKU events and some programs related to subculture. In the 2007 International MANGA award, the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Japan, Tarō Asō stated that 'Even the Minister for Foreign Affairs is a fan of Anime' in cantonese during his speech.

Social events

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The Akihabara massacre took place on Sunday, 8 June 2008, in the Akihabara shopping mall. The reaction of social media to this incident reveals the problem existing in communication between OTAKU and Society. Ming Pao, a Hong Kong newspaper, stated that because of the isolation of OTAKU by the society, OTAKU find it hard to integrate into society.[5] However, it is clarified by Takuro Morinaga that people should be focus on the reason of murderer's disappointment to society by his unstable work environment instead of finding whether he is an OTAKU or not.[6]

OTAKU and Nobel Prize

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In a new reporting of JoongAng Ilbo on 15 Oct, 2014, many professor were interviewed and asked about the reason why Japan has so many winners of Nobel Prize. One of the professor said that 'Noble Prize favor those people who like OTAKU, consistently studying on projects they are crazy about.'

In fact, the winner of Nobel Prize in Physics in 2002, Masatoshi Koshiba, did claim himself a fan crazy about video games and also call himself 'the oldest video game player in the world'. The Final Fantasy series is his favorite video game.[7]

Appraisement by Barack Obama

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Former President of United States Barack Obama highly appreciates the OTAKU culture during Japansese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe visit to United States. He said that 'Today is also a chance for Americans, especially our young people, to say thank you for all the things we love from Japan. Like karate and karaoke. Manga and anime. And, of course, emojis.'[8]


References

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References

  1. ^ Enomoto, Aki (2009). オタクのことが面白いほどわかる本: 日本の消費をけん引する人々. 中経出版. pp. 50–66. ISBN 9784806133582.
  2. ^ Kaichirō, Morikawa, (2012-04-20). "おたく/ Otaku / Geek - eScholarship". {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ Okada, Toshio (1996). Otakugaku nyumon.
  4. ^ Kitabayashi, Ken (1 December 2004). "The Otaku Group from a Business Perspective: Revaluation of Enthusiastic Consumers" (PDF). Nomura Research Institute. Retrieved 12 August 2013.
  5. ^ "Akihabara massacre". Ming Pao. 15 June 2008. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)
  6. ^ Morinaga, Takuro (23 June 2008). BIZ+PLUS http://bizplus.nikkei.co.jp/colm/morinaga.cfm?i=20080620c5000c5&p=1. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  7. ^ Asahi Shimbun. 9 Oct 2002. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  8. ^ "President Obama thanks Japan for giving us manga and anime". CBR. 29 April 2015. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)


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No mention of Military Otaku

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The NRI classification list bears no mention of military otaku. Considering the volume of otaku-related media that caters to this demographic, Girls und Panzer, Strike Witches, Kantai Collection, etc. I think it bears some mention. There's a complex history here that includes alternate history narratives (kakuu senki ja:架空戦記), especially postwar, the invention of the airsoft gun, and the Japanese-domestic military plastic model industry, most famously the output of Tamiya Corporation. Zetagaming (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]