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Any chance we can promote all of those subpages to full-blown pages in their own right? Like, for example [[The Spanish Inquisition (Monty Python)]] or [[The Spanish Inquisition (Monty Python's Flying Circus)]]? -- [[User:Zoe|Zoe]]
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== The "It's" Man-hermit or castaway? ==


Unless the Pythons themselves have described this character as a hermit, I think it's more accurate that he is a castaway, from a shipwreck or some other disaster. His tattered clothes tend to indicate that he has survived some disaster and a long period of isolation and a long trek back to civilization. Consider the show openings in which he came up out of the surf onto a shore. It's a minor detail, to be sure, but I recommend reviewing and updating this.---theBaron0530 5. October 2010 12:30 ET
I'm a little confused on the ordering of the episodes... Referring to my trusty ''The First 20 Years of Monty Python'' by Kim "Howard" Johnson, the first episodes in season 1 should be:


== Transnational themes (again) ==
# Sex and Violence (Recorded as Series 1, Show 2)
# Whither Canada (Recorded as Series 1, Show 1)
# How to Recognize Different Types of Trees... (Recorded as Series 1, Show 3)
# Owl-stretching Time (Recorded as Series 1, Show 4)
# Man's Crisis of Identity... (Recorded as Series 1, Show 5)
# The Ant - an Introduction (Recorded as Series 1, Show 7)
# ...


I know this has been discussed before, but I don't think the "transnational themes" section is particularly relevant or that this is a notable aspect of Monty Python. Given that the section is only based on two sources, both of which are by the same author, it seems that one person's hobby horse has been given more prominence than it merits. Should we delete it? [[User:MFlet1|MFlet1]] ([[User talk:MFlet1|talk]]) 06:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
In the article, Series 1 looks like it follows the "Recorded As" numbering, up until ''The Ant'', where it begins to diverge. Ultimately I suppose it's not important, but I just wanted to see where the sequencing came from. There's also the possibility that Johnson's book has some typos. -- [[User:Wapcaplet|Wapcaplet]] 21:35 27 May 2003 (UTC)


I agree. There have been thousands of articles written about the show, I'm not sure why these two are of particular importance to the general public. The show was internationally popular, I think that's covered elsewhere in the article. [[User:Jbmcb|Jbmcb]] ([[User talk:Jbmcb|talk]]) 03:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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== Merge this with the "Monty Python" article. ==
I am in the process of a complete overhaul of this page and the related [[Monty Python]] page. Amongst other things this will cut down on the duplication between these two pages. I hope to have it done before Christmas, maybe even in the next couple of days (if I have time). In the meantime feel free to continue editing. I will incorporate any changes that are still applicable into my version by checking the page history before uploading. Any questions feel free to contact me. [[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 17:15, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)


There's another article named "Monty Python", with mostly the same content: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python
: It would be more in the spirit of Wiki to make these changes to the articles ''gradually'' and allow others to take part in the process. Please consider doing this instead. -- [[User:Tarquin|Tarquin]] 17:20, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)


I suggest that article be amalgamated with this and the result published here. [[User talk: Therealzwaa | zwaa]] 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure - I could post up what I've done so far, but there are a lot of empty headings (for which I'm working on the content). Would it be appropriate to have headings in the TOC, for which there is no content yet? If so, I will post what I have done so far. If not, then I'd rather finish the basic framework before posting it. Even if I wait, I am under no illusion that I will be posting a finished article :) [[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 17:34, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)


== Flying Circus ==
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I can't speak for what the group actually intended at the time, but Richthofen's squadron was named after an already extant term used to describe a traveling circus, in the sense of moving often and quickly. The aviators adopted the term because the word 'flying' took on a new meaning when applied to an aviation uni, but mostly because the unit was housed in tents and frequently moved around to different sectors of the front on little notice, so it essentially meant 'traveling circus'. The flying circus aspect came from the way they lived and traveled on the ground, and was not meant to imply anything circus-like or humorous about their actual flying, which was dead serious and professional. In any case, unless the group themselves stated that they were thinking of WW1 aviators, there is no particular reason to think they weren't simply adopting the same term as Richthofen did, rather than copying him specifically. A Flying Circus is a thing even without WW1 aviation.
OK - I've done a major rewrite of this page, consolidating the [[Monty Python]] article which is now very brief indeed. I have deliberately done it this way, as there was a fair bit of duplication between the pages, and no real sense as to what should be in what article. I think that ultimately we could have two articles, but only if we can make a clear distinction between Monty Python the group, and Monty Python's Flying Circus, the TV series. I am not convinced this distinction can be made in any meaningful sense, as they are inextricably linked. However, I propose that we discuss the matter on this page rather than keep rejigging the content. It may be that this new layout is the best, but that still leaves the question of whether the major article should be under MP or MPFC.
[[Special:Contributions/64.222.88.237|64.222.88.237]] ([[User talk:64.222.88.237|talk]]) 16:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

== "[[:And now for something completely different (quote)]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
As ever, the article is not complete yet. The bibliography needs a lot of work, and there are a few empty sections. Other parts need tidying up too. I have removed the massive list of show titles, and instead provided an external link with more detailed information. [[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 14:13, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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:My thoughts - Currently we have MP and MPFC consolidated into one, but the MP film articles separate. I don't like this inconsistency. If we went down the "one article" route then we would merge in the film articles too. I don't like this - the article would be very long (some of the film articles have filled out quite nicely) and unnecessarily so - there is a natural separation to utilise. Thus the "separate articles" route should be the one to go down. We can do this without too much duplication that troubled you earlier, HappyDog. The MP article becomes a kind of parent article for their whole timeline and devolves all responsiblility to the MPFC and film articles for the details. Sorry for joining this discussion late - I was watching the MP but not the MPFC articles. [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 14:35, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Well, not had many responses! I'm not sure I agree entirely with your suggestion though. First of all I don't think there's anything wrong with the film (and other) references being links to separate pages. This seems to be the standard Wikipedia way of doing things, for example the [[Alfred Hitchcock]] article gives biographical information only, with links to separate articles for each of his films.

The second point about dividing this page into two articles is possibly correct, but I'm not sure it's as simple as you think. When I originally rewrote the page I tried to keep it as two separate articles, to reflect MP the group and MPFC the series. '''However''' the real problem is that up until at least 1975 (if not later) the two were synonymous, and so to divide them is nearly impossible, unless you just split the page into two halves (which seems a little non-sensical). After I made the decision to remove the very long episode guide, and replace it with an external link to a much more detailed and complete source, MPFC would have had very little content that wasn't duplicated from MP. I also felt that MPFC (being the full and original name) should be the page under which to locate the article, although this perhaps needs further discussion. The MP article I think is valid as it stands, clarifying that is a common abbreviation, however it could be made into a redirect instead. [[User:HappyDog|HappyDog]] 15:12, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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The "It's" Man-hermit or castaway?

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Unless the Pythons themselves have described this character as a hermit, I think it's more accurate that he is a castaway, from a shipwreck or some other disaster. His tattered clothes tend to indicate that he has survived some disaster and a long period of isolation and a long trek back to civilization. Consider the show openings in which he came up out of the surf onto a shore. It's a minor detail, to be sure, but I recommend reviewing and updating this.---theBaron0530 5. October 2010 12:30 ET

Transnational themes (again)

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I know this has been discussed before, but I don't think the "transnational themes" section is particularly relevant or that this is a notable aspect of Monty Python. Given that the section is only based on two sources, both of which are by the same author, it seems that one person's hobby horse has been given more prominence than it merits. Should we delete it? MFlet1 (talk) 06:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There have been thousands of articles written about the show, I'm not sure why these two are of particular importance to the general public. The show was internationally popular, I think that's covered elsewhere in the article. Jbmcb (talk) 03:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this with the "Monty Python" article.

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There's another article named "Monty Python", with mostly the same content: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python

I suggest that article be amalgamated with this and the result published here. zwaa 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Circus

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I can't speak for what the group actually intended at the time, but Richthofen's squadron was named after an already extant term used to describe a traveling circus, in the sense of moving often and quickly. The aviators adopted the term because the word 'flying' took on a new meaning when applied to an aviation uni, but mostly because the unit was housed in tents and frequently moved around to different sectors of the front on little notice, so it essentially meant 'traveling circus'. The flying circus aspect came from the way they lived and traveled on the ground, and was not meant to imply anything circus-like or humorous about their actual flying, which was dead serious and professional. In any case, unless the group themselves stated that they were thinking of WW1 aviators, there is no particular reason to think they weren't simply adopting the same term as Richthofen did, rather than copying him specifically. A Flying Circus is a thing even without WW1 aviation. 64.222.88.237 (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"And now for something completely different (quote)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect And now for something completely different (quote) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 2 § And now for something completely different (quote) until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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