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== The "It's" Man-hermit or castaway? ==
== The "It's" Man-hermit or castaway? ==


Unless the Pythons themselves have described this character as a hermit, I think it's more accurate that he is a castaway, from a shipwreck or some other disaster. His tattered clothes tend to indicate that he has survived some disaster and a long period of isolation and a long trek back to civilization. Consider the show openings in which he came up out of the surf onto a shore. It's a minor detail, to be sure, but I recommend reviewing and updating this.---theBaron0530 5. October 2010 12:30 ET
Unless the Pythons themselves have described this character as a hermit, I think it's more accurate that he is a castaway, from a shipwreck or some other disaster. His tattered clothes tend to indicate that he has survived some disaster and a long period of isolation and a long trek back to civilization. Consider the show openings in which he came up out of the surf onto a shore. It's a minor detail, to be sure, but I recommend reviewing and updating this.---theBaron0530 5. October 2010 12:30 ET


== Transnational themes (again) ==
== Title - not from Goldfinger? ==

The text implies that in 1966, a group of Briton's reached back 50 years for an obscure WWI reference to create their name.
Is there any confirmation that the title wasn't inspired by 'Pussy Galore's Flying Circus' from the popular 1964 British film [[Goldfinger (film)|Goldfinger]].
Seems like less of a stretch.
[[User:PLawrence99cx|PLawrence99cx]] ([[User talk:PLawrence99cx|talk]]) 18:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
:Well:
:#''Britons'' looks a lot better without the apostrophe.
:#It's ''not'' that obscure. A '''lot''' of people will have read WWI stories, seen films etc etc. There is no surprising usage here.
:#Probably not, but then confirmation of a negative is often a wee bit difficult to find. As far as I know there is also no confirmation that it ''wasn't'' telephoned to them by the Pope or discovered inside a fortune cookie.
:#No, it seems like much, much more of a stretch. When the programme title came out I was wholly unsurprised by it, assumed it was a WWI reference, and didn't try to connect it with James Bond. But that's all [[WP:OR]] so, y'know ... ''nah.''
:Best wishes, and sorry for the slow reply, [[Special:Contributions/82.34.71.202|82.34.71.202]] ([[User talk:82.34.71.202|talk]]) 23:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
::<small>The Pope?? Surely you mean [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5psxLIXYIk The Bishop]!!? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC) </small>

== Music clarification please ==

Hello. The last paragraph of the lead has this:

{{tq|The series' theme tune is the first segment of John Philip Sousa's "The Liberty Bell", as played by the Band of the Grenadier Guards, and chosen because it was in the public domain and thus could be used without charge.}}

- which is interesting, but makes me go "yeah but no but" a bit, and seek clarification on the following two grounds:

# What do we mean "as played by"? What does that "as" do? It either ''was'' played by them, or it ''was not.'' So "played by" would be fine, if true, but ''"as played by"'' is weirdly ambiguous for no good reason.
# When we say it could be used without charge we are probably referring to the tune but not the recording. It's very unlikely that no-one was paid for that; either Python paid recording session fees ''(rubs hands together greedily)'' or, if they used an existing recording, say one by the Grenadier Guards <small>''(see what I did there?)''</small> then they would have had to pay for that. I can't see how the Guards band would have made a charitable donation of the tune to the Beeb and if they did then I am sure it can be referenced here. Otherwise, what I suspect we mean is that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXxMvu8Bl_w they did not have to pay composer royalties] ... which is nice, but not a total freebie unless the Pythons played it themselves.

It would be great if someone with the knowledge/sources could please sort this out a bit.

Thanks and best wishes to all, [[Special:Contributions/82.34.71.202|82.34.71.202]] ([[User talk:82.34.71.202|talk]]) 11:34, 27 January 2018 (UTC)


I know this has been discussed before, but I don't think the "transnational themes" section is particularly relevant or that this is a notable aspect of Monty Python. Given that the section is only based on two sources, both of which are by the same author, it seems that one person's hobby horse has been given more prominence than it merits. Should we delete it? [[User:MFlet1|MFlet1]] ([[User talk:MFlet1|talk]]) 06:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
== Transnational themes or actually American egocentrism ==


I agree. There have been thousands of articles written about the show, I'm not sure why these two are of particular importance to the general public. The show was internationally popular, I think that's covered elsewhere in the article. [[User:Jbmcb|Jbmcb]] ([[User talk:Jbmcb|talk]]) 03:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I fail to see trasnational themes there as section solely focuses on the US; either change it or analyze whole[[Special:Contributions/83.27.149.179|83.27.149.179]] ([[User talk:83.27.149.179|talk]]) 13:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC) Python's creations more closely to really talk about transnational themes. [[Special:Contributions/83.27.149.179|83.27.149.179]] ([[User talk:83.27.149.179|talk]]) 13:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that US topics in the Monty Python oeuvre don't qualify as "transnational"? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:16, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


== Merge this with the "Monty Python" article. ==
== On lead. (minor suggestion) ==


There's another article named "Monty Python", with mostly the same content: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python
I was thinking of this quote:<br>
''"Their comedy is often pointedly intellectual, with..."''<br>
I absolutely agree, but perhaps the word "silly" could be included too. In a good way, naturally. What about something in line with: <br>
''"Their comedy is often consciously silly but simultaneously highly intelligent and pointedly intellectual, with..."''<br>
To be intelligent and intellectual isn't the same, but I would like to say MP indeed is both. "Intelligence" and "silly" can well be regarded as opposites I suppose, but I think MP has proven that humor can be both. <br>
What's meant by "innuendo-laden", just by the way ? [[User:Boeing720|Boeing720]] ([[User talk:Boeing720|talk]]) 05:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC) (a silly alias, by the way...)


I suggest that article be amalgamated with this and the result published here. [[User talk: Therealzwaa | zwaa]] 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
== Spot the braincell ==


== Flying Circus ==
The section on the quiz show (blow on the head) in episode 20 (The Atilla the Hun Show) seems to suggest that the entire sketch was removed for one repeat airing but is generally available otherwise (including home video). If that is true, can it be clarified? If not, was some part (for instance, the name of the show, which is never identified as Spot the Braincell in the versions of the episode I have seen) edited out permanently and considered lost? And if the name Spot the Braincell is only used outside of MPFC itself, can the section on it be renamed to avoid confusion?


I can't speak for what the group actually intended at the time, but Richthofen's squadron was named after an already extant term used to describe a traveling circus, in the sense of moving often and quickly. The aviators adopted the term because the word 'flying' took on a new meaning when applied to an aviation uni, but mostly because the unit was housed in tents and frequently moved around to different sectors of the front on little notice, so it essentially meant 'traveling circus'. The flying circus aspect came from the way they lived and traveled on the ground, and was not meant to imply anything circus-like or humorous about their actual flying, which was dead serious and professional. In any case, unless the group themselves stated that they were thinking of WW1 aviators, there is no particular reason to think they weren't simply adopting the same term as Richthofen did, rather than copying him specifically. A Flying Circus is a thing even without WW1 aviation.
On a broader note, I am trying to collect a comprehensive view of what is missing from the A&E DVDs and other widely available versions of the show, and would be happy to include my findings here (including other alterations and alternates not listed here yet), but would it would be worth it, or would it constitute sufficient "original research" that it would be taken down?
[[Special:Contributions/174.100.165.147|174.100.165.147]] ([[User talk:174.100.165.147|talk]]) 22:40, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/64.222.88.237|64.222.88.237]] ([[User talk:64.222.88.237|talk]]) 16:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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The "It's" Man-hermit or castaway?

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Unless the Pythons themselves have described this character as a hermit, I think it's more accurate that he is a castaway, from a shipwreck or some other disaster. His tattered clothes tend to indicate that he has survived some disaster and a long period of isolation and a long trek back to civilization. Consider the show openings in which he came up out of the surf onto a shore. It's a minor detail, to be sure, but I recommend reviewing and updating this.---theBaron0530 5. October 2010 12:30 ET

Transnational themes (again)

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I know this has been discussed before, but I don't think the "transnational themes" section is particularly relevant or that this is a notable aspect of Monty Python. Given that the section is only based on two sources, both of which are by the same author, it seems that one person's hobby horse has been given more prominence than it merits. Should we delete it? MFlet1 (talk) 06:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There have been thousands of articles written about the show, I'm not sure why these two are of particular importance to the general public. The show was internationally popular, I think that's covered elsewhere in the article. Jbmcb (talk) 03:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this with the "Monty Python" article.

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There's another article named "Monty Python", with mostly the same content: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python

I suggest that article be amalgamated with this and the result published here. zwaa 11:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Circus

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I can't speak for what the group actually intended at the time, but Richthofen's squadron was named after an already extant term used to describe a traveling circus, in the sense of moving often and quickly. The aviators adopted the term because the word 'flying' took on a new meaning when applied to an aviation uni, but mostly because the unit was housed in tents and frequently moved around to different sectors of the front on little notice, so it essentially meant 'traveling circus'. The flying circus aspect came from the way they lived and traveled on the ground, and was not meant to imply anything circus-like or humorous about their actual flying, which was dead serious and professional. In any case, unless the group themselves stated that they were thinking of WW1 aviators, there is no particular reason to think they weren't simply adopting the same term as Richthofen did, rather than copying him specifically. A Flying Circus is a thing even without WW1 aviation. 64.222.88.237 (talk) 16:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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