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{{DYK talk|19 February|2017|entry= ... that the upcoming television series '''''[[Runaways (TV series)|Runaways]]''''' was first developed in 2008 as a feature film by [[Marvel Studios]] but was shelved due to the success of ''[[The Avengers (2012 film)|The Avengers]]''?|nompage=Template:Did you know nominations/Runaways (TV series)}} |
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== Old Lace placement in article == |
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There has been some disagreement about where to place Old Lace's description in the article. The [[WP:STATUSQUO]] from [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Runaways_(TV_series)&oldid=810985809 this article state] on November 18, 2017, has the info in the cast section, under main. My reasoning and support of this location, is yes, there is no actor attached or credited as Old Lace, but she is still a character, and the section is called "Cast and characters", not just "Cast" (if it was just that, then yes, listing Old Lace would not be correct). "Main" felt like the best subsection of "Cast and characters" to place the info since Old Lace is considered a Runaway member in the comics. However, adding it under "Recurring" or "Guest" would also be acceptable in my opinion, simply as long as the content is listed under the level 2 "Cast and characters" heading. I don't feel it is quite accurate to include it in the "Production" section. Casting doesn't work in my eyes, because the issue of no actor attached becomes more apparent here, when all the other info in this section is about actors joining the project, and I don't feel any of the other subsections there currently would work, nor the need to create a single one just for this info. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 07:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:And to me, it is clear the cast section is meant for actors, as in humans, who appear in the credits, hence the reason there is so much guidance on listing entries there based on the series' credits as per [[MOS:TVCAST]]. No one is being credited for "playing" Old Lace—this is not a motion-capture performance like Andy Serkis in Lord of the Rings or Planet of the Apes. These sections, sometimes called "Cast" or sometimes called "Cast and characters", all share the same type of information: |
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:The key point being: "real person". A visual/animatronic effect like Old Lace should be in the "Production" section. I don't have a preference on where... I'm guessing "Filming" would make the most sense, but Old Lace is not a cast member. Old Lace is VFX. |
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:Also, would have been nice if, while we were discussing, you had left the status quo as it currently stood, as opposed to reaching into the past to find an edit that supported your interpretation. —[[User:Joeyconnick|Joeyconnick]] ([[User talk:Joeyconnick|talk]]) 18:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC) |
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::But as formatted (without a bullet), that is not indicating that anyone is "playing" Old Lace in my opinion, and I think others will not think that as well or get that interpretation. And as I stated, if it is a matter of credits, I'd be fine moving the info out of the "Main" section, and to the bottom of "Recurring". Also, as to the [[WP:STATUSQUO]], the version I linked was how the info initially was added to the article before its premiere. Then you edited the article to move the info elsewhere, which I took as "Bold". I believe I then reverted it, for you to undo my edit, (so "Revert") and we did that once more before I started this discussion. So the version I put the article to, is the STATUSQUO as it is the version before the disputed change (the moving of the info out of the "Cast and characters" section). - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 06:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with Favre that the Old Lace information should be placed in the "Cast and characters" section and not in any of the "Production" subsections as it doesn't fit in any of those per [[WP:TVPRODUCTION]]. Since the character has not appeared in series regular manner, I would put it at the bottom of "Recurring". - [[User:Brojam|Brojam]] ([[User talk:Brojam|talk]]) 07:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Hi! I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not really sure how it works, but should we split the episodes or seasons off into their own article, since ''Runaways'' is a relatively popular show, I think, and it has so many episodes? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SirLou|SirLou]] ([[User talk:SirLou#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SirLou|contribs]]) 16:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Hi! I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not really sure how it works, but should we split the episodes or seasons off into their own article, since ''Runaways'' is a relatively popular show, I think, and it has so many episodes? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SirLou|SirLou]] ([[User talk:SirLou#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SirLou|contribs]]) 16:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{re|SirLou}} Hi there! Welcome to Wikipedia. Please read [[WP:TVSPLIT]] regarding this. The series does not have enough total episodes to justify a stand alone episode list. As for season articles, that could potentially happen, but there is not enough info currently in article to warrant or justify a split. The info may be out there, and as such, any planned splits should most likely be created as [[WP:DRAFT|draft articles]] first to be built out to a point that a split would be viable. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 22:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC) |
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::Reverted split to articles for seasons 1 and 2. 0% consensus for this and does not meet [[WP:TVSPLIT]] or [[WP:SPLIT]]. Size of non-table prose is only 31 kB and series is over, so article is unlikely to ever get much bigger (certainly not to nearly double in size). —[[User:Joeyconnick|Joeyconnick]] ([[User talk:Joeyconnick|talk]]) 16:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks {{u|Joeyconnick}}. The content was also a copy/paste of what was already here, not adding anything more that would help justify a split (ie more season specific information than series specific). - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 19:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC) |
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A fact from Runaways (TV series) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 February 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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PRIDE stand for..
[edit]Peomoting Reslerce Independoe Dedication Excellence
I think as on the big check on one episde!--Brownshoes22 (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Episode 201
[edit]Hi there friends. I was at New York Comic Con and saw the first episode of season 2. Here's some info if we want to put this on the article:
- Director: Allison Liddi-Brown
- Writers: Josh Schwartz & Stephanie Savage
- All main cast members are still credited, with Julian McMahon being promoted to starring (and receiving last billing)
Won't discuss plot here, but will just note that the episode features DeVaughn Nixon as Darius Davis and Marlene Forte as Graciela Aguirre. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Split of the cast section?
[edit]Is it worthwhile to make this split? JesseRafe your edits aren't wrong, per se, but as I stated in my edit summary, I don't agree with the outright removal of these characters. Especially, in agreeing with what YgorD3 said, some of these characters are important to the plot of the series, even if they were simply guest roles. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm starting a rough mock up of a character article in my sandbox here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, you and Ygor are right, that I deleted too many. It seemed to be about 10% of the page (by display lines, not bytes) which to me felt egregious. Perhaps the plot-pivotal ones can be kept and listed with the recurring roles, without the extra subheadings of seasons, which for only a dozen or so names, would reduce the length of the article and the TOC to more manageable/scrollable sizes. I'll let someone who has a more longterm interest in the article make those changes if they agree, as I was just driving by after watching the series. Cheers, JesseRafe (talk) 14:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well it should be a cherry pick of characters. If we're going to remove characters, we should just do a straight split, leaving just the main/starring here. And then relevant guest can be discussed in the production section. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, you and Ygor are right, that I deleted too many. It seemed to be about 10% of the page (by display lines, not bytes) which to me felt egregious. Perhaps the plot-pivotal ones can be kept and listed with the recurring roles, without the extra subheadings of seasons, which for only a dozen or so names, would reduce the length of the article and the TOC to more manageable/scrollable sizes. I'll let someone who has a more longterm interest in the article make those changes if they agree, as I was just driving by after watching the series. Cheers, JesseRafe (talk) 14:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Episode/season split
[edit]Hi! I'm new to Wikipedia, so I'm not really sure how it works, but should we split the episodes or seasons off into their own article, since Runaways is a relatively popular show, I think, and it has so many episodes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SirLou (talk • contribs) 16:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- @SirLou: Hi there! Welcome to Wikipedia. Please read WP:TVSPLIT regarding this. The series does not have enough total episodes to justify a stand alone episode list. As for season articles, that could potentially happen, but there is not enough info currently in article to warrant or justify a split. The info may be out there, and as such, any planned splits should most likely be created as draft articles first to be built out to a point that a split would be viable. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Reverted split to articles for seasons 1 and 2. 0% consensus for this and does not meet WP:TVSPLIT or WP:SPLIT. Size of non-table prose is only 31 kB and series is over, so article is unlikely to ever get much bigger (certainly not to nearly double in size). —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Joeyconnick. The content was also a copy/paste of what was already here, not adding anything more that would help justify a split (ie more season specific information than series specific). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Reverted split to articles for seasons 1 and 2. 0% consensus for this and does not meet WP:TVSPLIT or WP:SPLIT. Size of non-table prose is only 31 kB and series is over, so article is unlikely to ever get much bigger (certainly not to nearly double in size). —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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