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== FDA tweet ==
== Ivermectin and COVID-19 ==


Ivermectin and COVID-19
Twitter is not a reliable source, and the informal wording suggests it is not supposed to be taken as an official statement by the FDA. Quoting the tweet without the context of the article that was attached to it is potentially misleading about the scientific reasons for opposing the treatment. Should we remove the tweet? [[User:TWM03|TWM03]] ([[User talk:TWM03|talk]]) 17:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
{{cite newspaper | title=Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds | url=https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/health/covid-ivermectin-hospitalization.html }}


{{cite journal | title=Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19 |doi=10.1056/NEJMoa2115869}}
:I think it should stay. It's a tweet from an official US federal government agency. The article doesn't provide much more context; it's pretty much just "Stop it." [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]]) 18:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


[[Special:Contributions/2600:1000:B03F:2983:4FD:F300:B6A2:155|2600:1000:B03F:2983:4FD:F300:B6A2:155]] ([[User talk:2600:1000:B03F:2983:4FD:F300:B6A2:155|talk]]) 22:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
::Shouldn't we at least link to the article as per [[WP:HEADLINE]]? [[User:TWM03|TWM03]] ([[User talk:TWM03|talk]]) 18:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


== Relevance of Zinc ==
== [[Fluvoxamine#Medical_uses|Fluvoxamine]] ==


https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.756707/full
Appropriate here? (The article section already cites ''The Lancet Global Health''.) [[User:Mapsax|Mapsax]] ([[User talk:Mapsax|talk]]) 23:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2001037021000660
== New information on ivermectin side effects ==


https://www.dovepress.com/the-implications-of-zinc-therapy-in-combating-the-covid-19-global-pand-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-JIR
Hello, as the title suggests new information has revealed the side effects of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment [https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2114907 from the New England Journal of Medicine]. I believe this would be a good contribution to the article. [[User:Obama gaming|Obama gaming]] ([[User talk:Obama gaming|talk]]) 08:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
:It's a letter so not [[WP:MEDRS]], but maybe some of the statistical information may be useful - not here though, as this is an article about research activity. [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 08:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
::Oh I just read it again, there are references within the letters to said statistics. Also, which article do you think I should put this under? Regards [[User:Obama gaming|Obama gaming]] ([[User talk:Obama gaming|talk]]) 08:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
:::Maybe at [[COVID-19 misinformation#Ivermectin]] ? [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 09:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
::::Cheers mate I'll take a geez [[User:Obama gaming|Obama gaming]] ([[User talk:Obama gaming|talk]]) 09:18, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-zinc-levels-predict-covid-19-severity
== Humour content ==


[[User:Drsruli|Drsruli]] ([[User talk:Drsruli|talk]]) 19:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Background: The [[COVID-19 drug repurposing research#Ivermectin|Ivermectin]] section of this article contains a humourous tweet from the FDA with the text "You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y'all. Stop it." I removed this yesterday, with the edit summary "Rm humorous FDA tweet. The FDA's actual position is in the adjacent text, and the joke is very unbefitting for an encyclopedia article on a medical topic." This was then reverted by [[User:TrangaBellam]] with the summary "Disagree."
:Would need a reliable [[WP:MEDRS]] source. [[User:Alexbrn|Alexbrn]] ([[User talk:Alexbrn|talk]]) 05:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


== Vitamin C ==
Wikipedia is intended to present neutral, informative, encyclopedic content, not to make fun of wrong people. Specifically, this article is supposed to explain about COVID-19 drug repurposing research. I have yet to see any possible justification for keeping the joke tweet in the article. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 09:23, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Complete replacement of the contents and references because of newer references available. Same content change at [[Vitamin C]], a Good Article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:32, 17 July 2024



Treatments for COVID-19: Current consensus

A note on WP:MEDRS: Per this Wikipedia policy, we must rely on the highest quality secondary sources and the recommendations of professional organizations and government bodies when determining the scientific consensus about medical treatments.

  1. Ivermectin: The highest quality sources (1 2 3 4) suggest Ivermectin is not an effective treatment for COVID-19. In all likelihood, ivermectin does not reduce all-cause mortality (moderate certainty) or improve quality of life (high certainty) when used to treat COVID-19 in the outpatient setting (4). Recommendations from relevant organizations can be summarized as: Evidence of efficacy for ivermectin is inconclusive. It should not be used outside of clinical trials. (May 2021, June 2021, June 2021, July 2021, July 2021) (WHO, FDA, IDSA, ASHP, CDC, NIH)
  2. Chloroquine & hydroxychloroquine: The highest quality sources (1 2 3 4) demonstrate that neither is effective for treating COVID-19. These analyses accounted for use both alone and in combination with azithromycin. Some data suggest their usage may worsen outcomes. Recommendations from relevant organizations can be summarized: Neither hydroxychloroquine nor chloroquine should be used, either alone or in combination with azithromycin, in inpatient or outpatient settings. (July 2020, Aug 2020, Sep 2020, May 2021) (WHO, FDA, IDSA, ASHP, NIH)
  3. Ivmmeta.com, c19ivermectin.com, c19hcq.com, hcqmeta.com, trialsitenews.com, etc: These sites are not reliable. The authors are pseudonymous. The findings have not been subject to peer review. We must rely on expert opinion, which describes these sites as unreliable. From published criticisms (1 2 3 4 5), it is clear that these analyses violate basic methodological norms which are known to cause spurious or false conclusions. These analyses include studies which have very small sample sizes, widely different dosages of treatment, open-label designs, different incompatible outcome measures, poor-quality control groups, and ad-hoc un-published trials which themselves did not undergo peer-review. (Dec 2020, Jan 2021, Feb 2021)

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Ivermectin and COVID-19

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Ivermectin and COVID-19 "Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds".

"Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19". doi:10.1056/NEJMoa2115869. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

2600:1000:B03F:2983:4FD:F300:B6A2:155 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance of Zinc

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https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.756707/full

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2001037021000660

https://www.dovepress.com/the-implications-of-zinc-therapy-in-combating-the-covid-19-global-pand-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-JIR

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-zinc-levels-predict-covid-19-severity

Drsruli (talk) 19:58, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would need a reliable WP:MEDRS source. Alexbrn (talk) 05:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vitamin C

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Complete replacement of the contents and references because of newer references available. Same content change at Vitamin C, a Good Article. David notMD (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]