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| ⚫ | This is an elementary school. I don't think they're notable, but I'd like some additional opinions. There's a lot of sources, but they don't seem like significant coverage to me because they seem to be mainly lists of kids winning awards and that doesn't seem to set them apart from most elementary schools. Thanks. [[User:Mdtemp|Mdtemp]] ([[User talk:Mdtemp|talk]]) 19:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Can we reach some consensus (and officially document on the project page) on how "pupil" and "student" should be treated? For those studying in schools who are still in compulsory education (e.g. up to age 16 in the UK) then I have heard either word used interchangeably. However, the word "student" is always applied to those who chose to study once they are no longer compelled to do so. My strawman proposal is as follows: |
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* for schools which educate only those who are in compulsory education, then either "pupil" or "student" may be used, as long as this is done in a consistent manner and not mixed within an article. |
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* for schools which educate both those who are in compulsory education and those who choose to stay on for further study (such as advanced qualifications) then only the word "student" should used, regardless of who it is describing. |
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Discuss. --[[User:Bob Re-born|Bob Re-born]] ([[User talk:Bob Re-born|talk]]) 22:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
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== Deletion discussion == |
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:Initially this seems reasonable, but I have come up with a couple of snags. While (UK speak) I would use pupils to refer to those in KS3 and KS4, I would definitely use students for those in KS5 as described above but I can't think of a school that doesn't do KS5 thus preventing the use of pupil in KS3! Within a school prospectus both will be used- to contrast the treatment afforded to the kids. The use of student/pupil can be a subtle way to distinguish the schools ethos. --[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 23:45, 4 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::: The great majority of secondary schools in Hampshire - and probably other counties - only go up to age 16, students then moving on to 6th form colleges. Would that not count as not doing KS5? [[User:Pterre|Pterre]] ([[User talk:Pterre|talk]]) 08:27, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:: Not having KS5 ([[Key Stage 5]] for those outside the UK this means students aged 16-18) is common - many schools in the UK don't have sixth form. As for your suggestion, I'm not against using both "pupils" for those in KS1-KS4 and "student" for those in KS5 within the same article as long as it is used correctly, but I do think it may cause confusion to readers having both. --[[User:Bob Re-born|Bob Re-born]] ([[User talk:Bob Re-born|talk]]) 00:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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There is an ongoing discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unitarian Universalist Church of Kent Ohio]] that may be of interest to members of this Wikiproject. While not about a school, it does deal with some of the issues we have discussed here regarding notability of local organizations, in this case a religious congregation. Any input you can provide would be appreciated. --[[User:JonRidinger|JonRidinger]] ([[User talk:JonRidinger|talk]]) 12:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC) |
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:::From past discussions where this issue has come up (mainly on [[WP:CFD]], hence the British schools categories now sidestepping it altogether), there may be a private/state sector divide on this. Private schools are proportionally much more likely to include sixth forms and also have been resistant to a lot of the changes in terminology that have occurred in the state sector. Regarding sixth form being in schools or separate colleges in the state sector, this depends heavily on which part of the country one's in as it's usually a local decision. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 00:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Completely understand and agree. Do you have an opinion about what we should do on Wikipedia?--[[User:Bob Re-born|Bob Re-born]] ([[User talk:Bob Re-born|talk]]) 01:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::Does it need to be standardised? Why not just use the terms interchangeably? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 01:23, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::I'd tend to agree. I'd be more inclined to see what wording is used on an individual schools website, press releases and other documentation. Certainly in my locality, the 'policy' seems to be that pupils attend primary schools and students attend secondary school.[[User:Fmph|Fmph]] ([[User talk:Fmph|talk]]) 06:38, 6 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:The use of student for older children by some schools does not make the use of pupil for older children incorrect, as there does not seem to be a definitive source to indicate a specific division between the terms. A problem with the use of student is that it is sometimes used to mean specifically those attending universities and other tertiary institutions rather than those attending schools, for instance [[National Union of Students (United Kingdom)]]. Personally I would favour the use of pupil for schoolchildren to distinquish from University students but I see no problem with the use in articles of student for older children to reflect modern usage in some schools. [[User:Cjc13|Cjc13]] ([[User talk:Cjc13|talk]]) 11:38, 6 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::It is never a good idea to try and standardise the description when the subjects of the discussion have spent 60+ years failing to agree. Yes there is Hampshire- but there is also Kent where I doubt if you will find a single one. The Catholic sector in some counties would opt out of secular sixth form colleges that had invaded their patch. There is no consistency in KS5 provision. I believe it was common in the private sector to refer to their inmates as scholars. While there is the [[National Union of Students (United Kingdom)]], there was also a National Union of School Students, which may still exist. Historically there was a different stream of funding for FE colleges (which included Sixth Form Colleges). Terms and conditions of service were different, pension provisions were different- one was staffed by qualified teachers while the other was staffed by lecturers who didn't need any teacher qualification or academic degree, though frequently had both. Its not surprising that pastoral support given in a college to the students was different to that given in a school to the pupils. Schools would try to emphasise the maturity of the older students by using that term.... Local usage should guide how the Wikipedia article is written. We cope with favor, behavior and color so we can easily take on board the subtle nuances of scholar, pupil and student using the same techniques. --[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 23:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I am in favour of allowing local variations but at the moment these variations are being surpressed as regards the naming of categories. Many categories that used "Former pupils" have been changed and a number of categories that used the Old Fooian format are in the process of being changed to "People educated at", for instance see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 6#Another 20 ambiguous Old Fooians|this debate]]. The changes do not reflect local usage. There do not seem to be any sources for use of "People educated at". [[User:Cjc13|Cjc13]] ([[User talk:Cjc13|talk]]) 12:38, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
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::::The comments about categories are irrelevant to this discussion. As Cjc13 well knows: |
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::::#A large part of the work undertaken at CfD is, and has long been, a process of striving for consistency and clarity in category names, for the convenience of both readers and editors. |
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::::#"People educated at" was a format adopted at CfD in 2011, to standardise on a common alternative after years of sterile disputes over the respective merits of "pupils" vs "students" vs "alumni". The discussions are at: [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Former_students_by_secondary_school_in_Australia|Feb 9]], [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 17#Former_pupils_of_Scottish_and_Welsh_schools|July 17]], [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 30#Alumni_of_schools_in_Wales|July 30]], [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 1#Alumni_of_Scottish_schools|August 1]], [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 8#Alumni_of_schools_in_England|August 8]], and [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 17#Former_pupils_of_schools_in_England|August 17]]. |
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::::#Per [[WP:NDESC]], descriptive page titles are [[WP:NDESC|are often invented specifically for articles]]. No source is required for descriptive names as a whole, but they should [[WP:NDESC|incorporate names and terms that are commonly used by sources]]. That is the case for the proposed category renamings, where Cjc13 has been systematically misrepresenting [[WP:NDESC]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::*[[WP:TITLECHANGES]] supports my interpretation of [[WP:NDESC]] in that it emphasises the use of sources. [[User:Cjc13|Cjc13]] ([[User talk:Cjc13|talk]]) 23:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC) |
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::::::*Please stop being silly. [[WP:TITLECHANGES]] is primarily about being cautious in renaming, and it has little to say about sourcing, let alone supporting your bizarre inversions of [[WP:NDESC]]. In any case the descriptive titles incorporate the sourced [[WP:commonname]]s of the schools.<br />You have made the same points unsuccesfully at most of [[User:BrownHairedGirl/Old Fooian categs renamed|the 82 cfDs which have renamed these categories]], and trying to raise the issue again here is just [[WP:FORUMSHOPPING]]. Please stop. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 04:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC) |
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== Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah == |
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== [[Westview High School (San Diego)]] == |
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Would someone mind taking a look at [[:Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah]]? It was recently created and it might be some kind of school. It has already been prodded for deletion once and the only source cited is not nearly be enough to satisfy [[:WP:NORG]]; however, I'm not quite sure if is notable for a stand-alone article per [[:WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES]]. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC) |
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I have been working on this article for a while and recently it has become well known as the school the Aurora shooter, [[James Holmes]], graduated from. Thus a "Notable Alumni" section was added and Holmes the only person listed. Many at the school complained, saying the school should not have a reputation of breeding murderers, and added fake and/or non-notable people to this section. What can be done about this? — '''[[User:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="750404">P</font>]][[User talk:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="254117">C</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="062159">B</font>]]''' 06:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC) |
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: I also asked about this at [[:WT:BANGLADESH#Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah]] and another editor posted that it is a high school, so that clears up my concerns about the schools status per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 21:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC) |
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:You might want to try asking this question over at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools]]. That page is much more active than this one. Are you sure he's the only notable alum? That seems odd for a school of 2000+ students. '''[[User:Themfromspace|<font color="blue">Them</font>]][[User talk:Themfromspace|<font color="red">From</font>]][[Special:Contributions/themfromspace|<font color="black">Space</font>]]''' 06:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC) |
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::Sorry, I thought this would redirect to the WikiProject page. I will transfer this there.— '''[[User:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="750404">P</font>]][[User talk:Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="254117">C</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Pzoxicuvybtnrm|<font color="062159">B</font>]]''' 06:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== [[:Category:Princeton University alumni]] subcategories by decade?? == |
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==File:St. Pius X school crest.jpg== |
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[[:File:St. Pius X school crest.jpg]] has been nominated for deletion -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.76.126|65.94.76.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.76.126|talk]]) 06:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Does anyone know where the discussion occurred that allowed for all of the subcategories that breaks up [[:Category:Princeton University alumni]] by ''decade''? I think it's a dangerous trend to set and makes navigation unnecessarily difficult. [[User:Jrcla2|Jrcla2]] ([[User talk:Jrcla2|talk]]) 16:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC) |
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==school bullying suicides related images== |
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See [[Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2013 May 20]] where many of these images are up for deletion -- [[Special:Contributions/65.94.76.126|65.94.76.126]] ([[User talk:65.94.76.126|talk]]) 03:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== WikiProject:Higher Education == |
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== [[Jack and Jill School]] == |
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WP:Universities has now moved to WP:Higher Education and I have started a conversation on what follow up work is needed at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Higher_Education#Requested_move_18_January_2020:_follow_up]]. Contributions welcome. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 12:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | This is an elementary school. I don't think they're notable, but I'd like some additional opinions. There's a lot of sources, but they don't seem like significant coverage to me because they seem to be mainly lists of kids winning awards and that doesn't seem to set them apart from most elementary schools. Thanks. [[User:Mdtemp|Mdtemp]] ([[User talk:Mdtemp|talk]]) 19:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::All discussion takes place at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools]] not here. I have duplicated your post over. --[[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] ([[User talk:ClemRutter|talk]]) 19:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC) |
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==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education#Applied learning|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education § Applied learning]]== |
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This is an elementary school. I don't think they're notable, but I'd like some additional opinions. There's a lot of sources, but they don't seem like significant coverage to me because they seem to be mainly lists of kids winning awards and that doesn't seem to set them apart from most elementary schools. Thanks. Mdtemp (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Deletion discussion
[edit]There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Unitarian Universalist Church of Kent Ohio that may be of interest to members of this Wikiproject. While not about a school, it does deal with some of the issues we have discussed here regarding notability of local organizations, in this case a religious congregation. Any input you can provide would be appreciated. --JonRidinger (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah
[edit]Would someone mind taking a look at Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah? It was recently created and it might be some kind of school. It has already been prodded for deletion once and the only source cited is not nearly be enough to satisfy WP:NORG; however, I'm not quite sure if is notable for a stand-alone article per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- I also asked about this at WT:BANGLADESH#Sakuchia Badiuzzaman Dakhil Madrasah and another editor posted that it is a high school, so that clears up my concerns about the schools status per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Category:Princeton University alumni subcategories by decade??
[edit]Does anyone know where the discussion occurred that allowed for all of the subcategories that breaks up Category:Princeton University alumni by decade? I think it's a dangerous trend to set and makes navigation unnecessarily difficult. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
WikiProject:Higher Education
[edit]WP:Universities has now moved to WP:Higher Education and I have started a conversation on what follow up work is needed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Higher_Education#Requested_move_18_January_2020:_follow_up. Contributions welcome. TSventon (talk) 12:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
- All discussion takes place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools not here. I have duplicated your post over. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education § Applied learning
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You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education § Applied learning. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)