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{{Short description|American death metal band}} |
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| origin = [[Chicago]], [[Illinois]], United States |
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| genre = [[Death metal]] |
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| current_members = Jeremy Wagner<br/>Damian Leski<br />Mike Miczek<br />Matt Szlachta<br />Diego Soria |
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| past_members = Joe Ptacek<br />Brian Griffin<br />Ryan Stanek<br />Shaun Glass<br />Dave Duff<br />Ed Hughes<br />Sean Baxter<br />Duane Timlin<br />Chuck Wepfer |
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| past_members = Joe Ptacek<br />Brian Griffin<br />Ryan Stanek<br />Shaun Glass<br />Scott Creekmore<br />Dave Duff<br />Ed Hughes<br />Sean Baxter<br />Larry DeMumbrum<br />Jeff Bumgardner<br />Duane Timlin<br />Chuck Wepfer |
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Broken Hope was founded in 1988. They were known as an accomplished mid-paced style [[death metal]] band with low-pitched growling vocals. As a band, they were active for roughly twelve years, recording five albums between 1991 and 1999. |
Broken Hope was founded in 1988. They were known as an accomplished mid-paced style [[death metal]] band with low-pitched growling vocals. As a band, they were active for roughly twelve years, recording five albums between 1991 and 1999. |
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The early lineup of Broken Hope was Joe Ptacek ([[vocals]]), Jeremy Wagner (rhythm [[guitar]]), Brian Griffin (lead guitar), and Ryan Stanek ([[drum]]s). They scored a deal with the then-fledgling Grindcore/RedLight Label and recorded their debut album, ''Swamped in Gore''.<ref name="bio">{{cite web| last = Ankeny| first = Jason| url = {{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p12460|pure_url=yes}}| title = Broken Hope - Biography| publisher = [[Allmusic]] ([[Macrovision Corporation]])| |
The early lineup of Broken Hope was Joe Ptacek ([[vocals]]), Jeremy Wagner (rhythm [[guitar]]), Brian Griffin (lead guitar), and Ryan Stanek ([[drum]]s). They scored a deal with the then-fledgling Grindcore/RedLight Label and recorded their debut album, ''Swamped in Gore''.<ref name="bio">{{cite web| last = Ankeny| first = Jason| url = {{Allmusic|class=artist|id=p12460|pure_url=yes}}| title = Broken Hope - Biography| publisher = [[Allmusic]] ([[Macrovision Corporation]])| access-date = November 27, 2009}}</ref> |
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[[AllMusic]] reviewer John Book compared ''Swamped in Gore'' to [[Death (metal band)|Death]]'s 1987 debut album ''[[Scream Bloody Gore]]''.<ref name="SwampedAllMusic">{{cite web| last = Book| first = John| url = https://www.allmusic.com/album/swamped-in-gore-mw0000104366| title = Swamped in Gore - Overview| publisher = [[Allmusic]] ([[Macrovision Corporation]])| |
[[AllMusic]] reviewer John Book compared ''Swamped in Gore'' to [[Death (metal band)|Death]]'s 1987 debut album ''[[Scream Bloody Gore]]''.<ref name="SwampedAllMusic">{{cite web| last = Book| first = John| url = https://www.allmusic.com/album/swamped-in-gore-mw0000104366| title = Swamped in Gore - Overview| publisher = [[Allmusic]] ([[Macrovision Corporation]])| access-date = October 4, 2019}}</ref> |
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Following the release of ''Swamped in Gore'', [[Metal Blade Records]] signed the band, who released their second album, ''The Bowels of Repugnance'', in 1993.<ref name="bio" /> The band's third album, 1995's ''Repulsive Conception'', reached [[CMJ New Music|''CMJ New Music Monthly'']]'s Metal Top 25 chart,<ref> |
Following the release of ''Swamped in Gore'', [[Metal Blade Records]] signed the band, who released their second album, ''The Bowels of Repugnance'', in 1993.<ref name="bio" /> The band's third album, 1995's ''Repulsive Conception'', reached [[CMJ New Music|''CMJ New Music Monthly'']]'s Metal Top 25 chart,<ref> |
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as did the follow-up, 1997's ''Loathing'',<ref> |
as did the follow-up, 1997's ''Loathing'',<ref> |
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an album which explored topics such as political domination, necrophilia, and safe sex.<ref>{{cite news |
an album which explored topics such as political domination, necrophilia, and safe sex.<ref>{{cite news |
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| newspaper = [[Deseret News]] |
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and in April 2002, it was reported by Jeremy Wagner that after the state of Broken Hope had been limbo for about a year, they had disbanded.<ref> |
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|title = Broken Hope's Jeremy Wagner: Where It All Went Wrong |
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In a 2007 interview, Wagner explained that several factors, including band dysfunction and a lack of support in Europe from Metal Blade, contributed to the split.<ref name="2007interview">{{cite news |
In a 2007 interview, Wagner explained that several factors, including band dysfunction and a lack of support in Europe from Metal Blade, contributed to the split.<ref name="2007interview">{{cite news |
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|title = Broken Hope to Reunite? |
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}}</ref> Wagner added that the band members had met "face to face" for the first time in five years and discussed a possible reunion.<ref name="2007interview" /> |
}}</ref> Wagner added that the band members had met "face to face" for the first time in five years and discussed a possible reunion.<ref name="2007interview" /> |
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On January 20, 2010, vocalist Joe Ptacek committed suicide.<ref>{{cite web |last=Pratt |first=Greg |url=http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=139&csid2=844&fid1=43827 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20130115121624/http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=139&csid2=844&fid1=43827 |url-status=dead |archive-date= |
On January 20, 2010, vocalist Joe Ptacek committed suicide.<ref>{{cite web |last=Pratt |first=Greg |url=http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=139&csid2=844&fid1=43827 |archive-url=https://archive.today/20130115121624/http://www.exclaim.ca/articles/generalarticlesynopsfullart.aspx?csid1=139&csid2=844&fid1=43827 |url-status=dead |archive-date=January 15, 2013 |title=Broken Hope Vocalist Joe Ptacek Dead at 37 |publisher=Exclaim.ca |date=January 22, 2010 |access-date=March 7, 2015 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web|author= |url=http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=52298 |title=Former Broken Hope Vocalist Commits Suicide - in Metal News |publisher=Metal Underground.com |date= |access-date=March 7, 2015}}</ref> He was 37 years old. |
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The band reunited in 2012 with returning members Shaun Glass and Jeremy Wagner, and new members Mike Miczek and Damian Leski, playing a North American tour with [[Obituary (band)|Obituary]], [[Decrepit Birth]], [[Jungle Rot]], and Encrust. |
The band reunited in 2012 with returning members Shaun Glass and Jeremy Wagner, and new members Mike Miczek and Damian Leski, playing a North American tour with [[Obituary (band)|Obituary]], [[Decrepit Birth]], [[Jungle Rot]], and Encrust. |
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''Omen of Disease'' was released September 27, 2013 via [[Century Media Records]]. |
''Omen of Disease'' was released September 27, 2013 via [[Century Media Records]]. |
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Former band drummer, Ryan Stanek, died in [[Wisconsin]] on March 1, 2015 |
Former band drummer, Ryan Stanek, died in [[Wisconsin]] on March 1, 2015 from a heart attack. He was 42 years old.<ref name="Dead">{{cite web|author=Doc Rock |url=http://www.thedeadrockstarsclub.com/2015.html |title=January to June 2015 |publisher=The Dead Rock Stars Club |date= |access-date=March 7, 2015}}</ref> |
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Broken Hope's |
Broken Hope's seventh album titled ''Mutilated and Assimilated'' was released on June 23, 2017. |
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==Band members== |
==Band members== |
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===Current members=== |
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*Jeremy Wagner – rhythm guitar ( |
*Jeremy Wagner – rhythm guitar (1988–2001, 2012–present) |
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*Damian Leski – vocals (2012–present) |
*Damian Leski – vocals (2012–present) |
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*Mike Miczek – drums (2012–present) |
*Mike Miczek – drums (2012–present) |
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===Former members=== |
===Former members=== |
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*Joe Ptacek – vocals ( |
*Joe Ptacek – vocals (1988–2001; died 2010) |
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*Ryan Stanek – drums (1988–1997; died 2015)<ref name="Dead"/> |
*Ryan Stanek – drums (1988–1997; died 2015)<ref name="Dead"/> |
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*Ed Hughes – bass (1988–1994) |
*Ed Hughes – bass (1988–1994) |
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*Dave Duff – |
*Dave Duff – lead guitar (1988–1990) |
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*Brian Griffin – lead guitar ( |
*Brian Griffin – lead guitar (1991–2001) |
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*Shaun Glass – bass (1995–1998, 2012–2014) |
*Shaun Glass – bass (1995–1998, 2012–2014) |
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*Duane Timlin – drums ( |
*Duane Timlin – drums (1997–1998) |
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*Brian Hobbie – bass ( |
*Brian Hobbie – bass (1999–2001) |
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*Sean Baxter – drums ( |
*Sean Baxter – drums (1999–2001) |
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*Ryan Schimmenti – bass (1999) |
*Ryan Schimmenti – bass (1999) |
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*Mike Zwicke – bass (1999) |
*Mike Zwicke – bass (1999) |
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*Larry DeMumbrum – drums (1999) |
*Larry DeMumbrum – drums (1999) |
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==Discography== |
==Discography== |
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===Albums=== |
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* ''Swamped in Gore'' (1991) |
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* ''The Bowels of Repugnance'' (1993) |
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* ''Repulsive Conception'' (1995) |
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* ''Loathing'' (1997) |
* ''Loathing'' (1997) |
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* ''Grotesque Blessings'' (1999) |
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* ''Omen of Disease'' (2013) |
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* ''Mutilated and Assimilated'' (2017) |
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Latest revision as of 19:07, 4 August 2024
Broken Hope | |
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Origin | Chicago, Illinois, United States |
Genres | Death metal |
Years active | 1988–2001, 2012–present |
Labels | Metal Blade, Century Media |
Members | Jeremy Wagner Damian Leski Mike Miczek Matt Szlachta Diego Soria |
Past members | Joe Ptacek Brian Griffin Ryan Stanek Shaun Glass Dave Duff Ed Hughes Sean Baxter Duane Timlin Chuck Wepfer |
Website | www.brokenhope.com |
Broken Hope is an American death metal band from Chicago, Illinois.
History
[edit]Broken Hope was founded in 1988. They were known as an accomplished mid-paced style death metal band with low-pitched growling vocals. As a band, they were active for roughly twelve years, recording five albums between 1991 and 1999.
The early lineup of Broken Hope was Joe Ptacek (vocals), Jeremy Wagner (rhythm guitar), Brian Griffin (lead guitar), and Ryan Stanek (drums). They scored a deal with the then-fledgling Grindcore/RedLight Label and recorded their debut album, Swamped in Gore.[1] AllMusic reviewer John Book compared Swamped in Gore to Death's 1987 debut album Scream Bloody Gore.[2]
Following the release of Swamped in Gore, Metal Blade Records signed the band, who released their second album, The Bowels of Repugnance, in 1993.[1] The band's third album, 1995's Repulsive Conception, reached CMJ New Music Monthly's Metal Top 25 chart,[3] as did the follow-up, 1997's Loathing,[4] an album which explored topics such as political domination, necrophilia, and safe sex.[5]
The band moved to newly formed indie Martyr Records for their fifth album, Grotesque Blessings, released in 1999.[1] Rumors of the band's demise circulated at this time, this also marks the last album Joe Ptacek was on[6] and in April 2002, it was reported by Jeremy Wagner that after the state of Broken Hope had been limbo for about a year, they had disbanded.[7]
In a 2007 interview, Wagner explained that several factors, including band dysfunction and a lack of support in Europe from Metal Blade, contributed to the split.[8] Wagner added that the band members had met "face to face" for the first time in five years and discussed a possible reunion.[8]
On January 20, 2010, vocalist Joe Ptacek committed suicide.[9][10] He was 37 years old.
The band reunited in 2012 with returning members Shaun Glass and Jeremy Wagner, and new members Mike Miczek and Damian Leski, playing a North American tour with Obituary, Decrepit Birth, Jungle Rot, and Encrust.
Omen of Disease was released September 27, 2013 via Century Media Records.
Former band drummer, Ryan Stanek, died in Wisconsin on March 1, 2015 from a heart attack. He was 42 years old.[11]
Broken Hope's seventh album titled Mutilated and Assimilated was released on June 23, 2017.
Band members
[edit]Current members
[edit]- Jeremy Wagner – rhythm guitar (1988–2001, 2012–present)
- Damian Leski – vocals (2012–present)
- Mike Miczek – drums (2012–present)
- Matt Szlachta – lead guitar (2014–present)
- Diego Soria – bass (2014–present)
Former members
[edit]- Joe Ptacek – vocals (1988–2001; died 2010)
- Ryan Stanek – drums (1988–1997; died 2015)[11]
- Ed Hughes – bass (1988–1994)
- Dave Duff – lead guitar (1988–1990)
- Brian Griffin – lead guitar (1991–2001)
- Shaun Glass – bass (1995–1998, 2012–2014)
- Duane Timlin – drums (1997–1998)
- Brian Hobbie – bass (1999–2001)
- Sean Baxter – drums (1999–2001)
- Chuck Wepfer – lead guitar (2012–2014)
Session members
[edit]- Ryan Schimmenti – bass (1999)
- Mike Zwicke – bass (1999)
- Larry DeMumbrum – drums (1999)
Timeline
[edit]Discography
[edit]Albums
[edit]- Swamped in Gore (1991)
- The Bowels of Repugnance (1993)
- Repulsive Conception (1995)
- Loathing (1997)
- Grotesque Blessings (1999)
- Omen of Disease (2013)
- Mutilated and Assimilated (2017)
EPs
[edit]- Hobo Stew (1993)
Other releases
[edit]- Live Disease (2015)
Demos
[edit]- Broken Hope (1990)
- Demo 2 (1990)
- Demo '93 (1993)
References
[edit]- ^ a b c Ankeny, Jason. "Broken Hope - Biography". Allmusic (Macrovision Corporation). Retrieved November 27, 2009.
- ^ Book, John. "Swamped in Gore - Overview". Allmusic (Macrovision Corporation). Retrieved October 4, 2019.
- ^ "Metal Top 25". CMJ New Music Monthly (24). College Media, Inc.: 46 August 1995. ISSN 1074-6978. Retrieved November 27, 2009.
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