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Proper terminology

Please use proper terminology and change the word militants into terrorists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A420:28:41D7:21C6:E994:3C91:F713 (talk) 16:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BIAS

The ENTIRE ARTICLE is EXTREMELY BIASED. When the UN comes to give Israel , or any Israeli its or his or her rights, then they must have first come to give Gaza and any Gazian its , his, her rights, first. If the Israeli infringement of UN treaties is a nuclear bomb, the Hamas infringement of UN treaties is a burning cigarette.

60.242.170.18 (talk) 21:09, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are many examples of pro-Israeli bias in this and other Wikipedia articles. Unfortunately, modern humanity so often behaves like primitive, superstitious humans of centuries past, but with higher technology multiplying death, suffering and injury many-fold. The justifications used are no better than those of primitive ancestors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.236.54 (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accurate rank upon dischargement

According to most israeli news sources, such as this one, Gilad Shalit was dischareged from the I.D.F with the rank of Sergeant First Class (רב-סמל) and not Seargent Major (רב-סמל מתקדם) like this source states.
It is possible that the later source is mistaken due to a mistranslation of sorts.

Therefore, i suggest changeing the rank description back to "Sergeant First Class" a.k.a "Rav Samal" and "Rasal" (רב-סמל, רס"ל).

The accurate rank

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@Aroma Stylish: Can you please explain your revert? ImTheIP (talk) 11:08, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

Under the Capture Header under subheader Treatment, "harsly" is said instead of "harshly". I cannot check the source due to paywall if it was initially misspelled. Einail19 (talk) 13:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, thanks. Zero^talk 02:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation available for instance of Shalit holding up a newspaper

Hi all—in the "Captivity" section of this article, there is a mention of a publicly-released image of him holding up a newspaper dated 14 September 2009. A citation for this is needed. I found one from the BBC, and another from NBC News, both of which refer to this event. Please add these sources when next available. Thank you for your help!

Wikipedia on! Fruitworth (talk) 00:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+When the UN comes to give   Israel , or any Israeli its or his or her rights, then they  must have first come to give Gaza and any Gazian its , his, her rights, first.  If the Israeli infringement of   UN treaties is a nuclear bomb, the Hamas infringement of UN treaties is a burning cigarette.
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-== Any comments from his interview? ==
+== Accurate rank upon dischargement ==
-A lot of text but what about What he had to say about his captivity and interviews? How about starting with this statement - When asked whether he would campaign for the release of 5,000 Palestinians in Israeli jails, Shalit replied:
+According to most israeli news sources, such as [http://www.mako.co.il/news-military/security/Article-e7cf0b56714c631018.htm&sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=55227376 this one], Gilad Shalit was dischareged from the I.D.F with the rank of Sergeant First Class (רב-סמל) and not Seargent Major (רב-סמל מתקדם) like [http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/shalit-promoted-to-rank-of-idf-sergeant-major-on-eve-of-release-1.390415 this] source states.
+<br>
+It is possible that the later source is mistaken due to a mistranslation of sorts.
+Therefore, i suggest changeing the rank description back to "Sergeant First Class" a.k.a "Rav Samal" and "Rasal" (רב-סמל, רס"ל).
-{{Quotation|I will be happy if all these prisoners are free, so that they can go back to their loved ones, their territory and their families. I will be very happy if this happens."I hope this deal will help the conclusion of peace between Israel and Palestine and that cooperation between the two sides will be consolidated.<ref>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8833629/Israel-Palestine-prisoner-swap-first-interview-with-Gilad-Shalit.html</ref>|Gilad Shalit }}
-No point me adding it because it will be removed, so hence why the talk page hoping someone (other than me) will discuss its merit of inclusion.--[[User:Halaqah|Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ]] ([[User talk:Halaqah|talk]]) 13:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
+[[File:IDF Ranks Rasal.svg|20px|frameless|center|The accurate rank]]
-The above statment is one of the most important statements in this entire article as it shows the compassion Gilad shows for the prisoners & the empathy towards their own plight in light of his own. This is one of the few statements Gilad has been recordered speaking so it must be included. There are many reputable references to it as [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8833629/Israel-Palestine-prisoner-swap-first-interview-with-Gilad-Shalit.html here] --[[Special:Contributions/124.149.37.224|124.149.37.224]] ([[User talk:124.149.37.224|talk]]) 03:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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-== Sentence regarding "Negotiations for Release" ==
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
-A particular sentence under "Negotiations for Release" saying that the terrorists being released in exchange for Shalit have "blood on their hands" - a true statement - is continually being removed. The first time it was taken out, the editor only deleted half of the sentence, leaving it a fragment, and I undid it. However, my edit has repeatedly been undone. Is there any particular reason? The material is cited. Why is it being removed? --[[Special:Contributions/96.60.171.236|96.60.171.236]] ([[User talk:96.60.171.236|talk]]) 01:31, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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+{{ping|Aroma Stylish}} Can you please explain your revert? [[User:ImTheIP|ImTheIP]] ([[User talk:ImTheIP|talk]]) 11:08, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
-== "Abduct" vs. "Capture" ==
+== Typo ==
-We have an edit war on our hands, and I among others have violated the rule of this page regarding '''one revert per 24 hours'''. The issue is whether we can, from [[WP:NPOV|NPOV]], call Hamas's taking of Shalit an "abduction" or simply a "capture." News organizations use the words interchangeably, which means using a news article as reference is insufficient. Shalit was taken in a combat engagement, but there was no ''battle'' during which he was taken. The combat engagement during which Hamas took possession of him was the initiation of hostilities in this case. Shalit was further not treated as a POW in compliance with the Geneva Conventions. Therefore, I think the term "abduction" is more suitable.
+Under the Capture Header under subheader Treatment, "harsly" is said instead of "harshly". I cannot check the source due to paywall if it was initially misspelled.  [[User:Einail19|Einail19]] ([[User talk:Einail19|talk]]) 13:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
-Please also remember to '''[[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]''' on the part of editors in this discussion.
+:Fixed, thanks. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 02:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
---[[User:Jprg1966|<font color="#BE0032"><b>Jprg1966</b></font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Jprg1966|<font color="#082567"><sup>(talk)</sup></font>]] 14:20, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
+== Citation available for instance of Shalit holding up a newspaper ==
-:LOL, there was no battle? Two Israeli soldiers were killed when Shalit was captured. You even use the word "captured" in the first sentence of this page.
+Hi all—in the "Captivity" section of this article, there is a mention of a publicly-released image of him holding up a newspaper dated 14 September 2009. A citation for this is needed. I found one from the [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-13626776 BBC], and another from [https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33136750 NBC News], both of which refer to this event. Please add these sources when next available. Thank you for your help!
-"'''Gilad Shalit''', born 28 August 1986) is an [[Israel]]i soldier of the [[Israel Defense Forces]] (IDF) who was captured<ref name="usatoday">{{cite news| url=http://www.usaToday.com/news/world/2007-06-25-israeli-palestinian_N.htm | work=USA Today | title=Hamas releases audio of captured Israeli | date=25 June 2007}}</ref> inside Israel by [[Hamas]] militants in a cross-border raid via underground tunnels near the Israeli border with Gaza on 25 June 2006. "
+Wikipedia on! [[User:Fruitworth|Fruitworth]] ([[User talk:Fruitworth|talk]]) 00:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
-Stop being a hypocrite. You can't say he was captured in one part and abducted in another. Some editors always have problems with the word "captured". This is ridiculous. --[[Special:Contributions/68.45.180.34|68.45.180.34]] ([[User talk:68.45.180.34|talk]]) 16:50, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
-::First of all, the word "captured" in the lead is not my language. Don't group that in with me. Second, you don't understand the point I'm making. There was no ongoing war when Shalit was taken. The engagement in question was ''not a battle''; it was a standalone incident.
-::Furthermore, you continue to violate the rules on this page regarding reversions. I am going to request administrator assistance with this matter. --[[User:Jprg1966|<font color="#BE0032"><b>Jprg1966</b></font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Jprg1966|<font color="#082567"><sup>(talk)</sup></font>]] 17:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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-::::Guys, I understand the recent abuses by 180.34, but isn't an upfront Full Protection going a bit too far when the abusive annonymous IP user and others, given their rights level, would had still been effectively blocked if a much lower level of protection -- such as Semi-Protection -- had been used instead? Semi-Protection would had still allowed responsible, established editors with reviewer and auto-patrolled rights the opportunity to contribute. Appears to be a case where the innocent many are paying for the actions of the one single guilty party.  '''My name is [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 13:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC), and I approve this message.'''
-:::::Aww! You're stalking me. You check my edit history every day. I'm touched. You're one to talk. You insist that Oscar Lopez is a freedom fighter even though he plotted a violent escape from prison involving explosives and assault rifles. I bet you were devastated when he was denied parole. Oh, and I'm of Puerto Rican descent by the way. I just don't consider Lopez to be a freedom fighter. He's a militant. And learn how to spell. The correct word is "anonymous". As for Shalit, he was captured in a tank while in uniform and while holding an assault rifle. He wasn't kidnapped while walking down the streeet unarmed and in civilian clothes like Eliyahu Asheri. Every editor who has a problem with the word "captured" is from Israel. I understand that Israel considers him to have been "kidnapped" or "abducted" but that doesn't matter. The international news media has referred to him and numerous American soldiers in Iraq as "captured" multiple times. If you have a problem with that, then you might as well revamp this entire article by removing every reference to the word "captured". No point in referring to him as "captured" in the beginning of the article and referring to him as "abducted" in his infobox. Hypocrites! --[[Special:Contributions/68.45.180.34|68.45.180.34]] ([[User talk:68.45.180.34|talk]]) 13:33, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-:apparently 180.34 doesn't care....and continues to edit war without discussion. [[User:Soosim|Soosim]] ([[User talk:Soosim|talk]]) 13:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-:Another biased Jewish editor. What a surprise. Do you know how to read? I am discussing this right now. Also, where is this so called "consensus" on the word "abducted" that I keep reading about? As I said, if you have a problem with the word "captured", then you might as well revamp the whole article. --[[Special:Contributions/68.45.180.34|68.45.180.34]] ([[User talk:68.45.180.34|talk]]) 13:37, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-:: not sure "Another biased Jewish editor. What a surprise! Do you know how to read? I am discussing this right now." qualifies as actual discussion, but in any case, you have violated the 1 (one) revert rule for this article, again. it is always best to discuss it here - with facts, opinions, reliable sources, pros and cons, etc. before making changes to the actual article.
-::in my opinion, since there are numerous RS that use the various terms interchangeably, we need to be careful as which term best covers the situation at hand. let's discuss it and see....i think 'abducted' applies since it happened in shalit's own country, by an enemy force, without a war going on around it. [[User:Soosim|Soosim]] ([[User talk:Soosim|talk]]) 13:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-::No, it doesn't. He was captured in uniform, inside a tank, while armed with an assault rifle. He wasn't a civilian kidnapped while walking down the street. Two Israeli soldiers and two Hamas militants were killed in the incident. Regardless, I'm surrounded by countless biased Jewish editors who are the only ones who have a problem with the word "captured" so I have revamped the entire article myself. All references to the word "captured" have been removed. Are you happy now, biased editors? You win! Sheesh Louise! Thank goodness you aren't involved in Bowe Bergdahl's article. There was no way I was going to win. As I said before, I was surrounded. All of you cried like little babies to the administrators begging and pleading for the article to be locked and for me to be blocked. Hypocrites! --[[Special:Contributions/68.45.180.34|68.45.180.34]] ([[User talk:68.45.180.34|talk]]) 14:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
-== Should the lead sentence have the word "captured"? ==
-It's been in place for years and is sourced. Now two editors have removed it. --[[Special:Contributions/217.79.176.158|217.79.176.158]] ([[User talk:217.79.176.158|talk]]) 12:46, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
-:Just because something has been in place for a certain amount of time does not mean it is correct. Do you have a link to a previous conversation on this talk page where consensus was established to use that wording? That is what you claimed in your edit summary. If not, I suggest you self-revert because you are violating [[WP:UNDUE]] and actually misrepresenting the source. While the source does use the word captured, it also calls it an abduction. Here are just a few more sources I found from the first page of google results about Gilad Shalit that call it an abduction. Several of them also call it a kidnapping, so if you feel that is appropriate we could add it as well. [http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/timeline-1-940-days-from-gilad-shalit-s-abduction-to-his-release-1.389452] [http://www.france24.com/en/20120309-gilad-schalit-abductor-killed-israeli-air-strike-gaza-city-militants-palestinian-qaissi] [http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-4244,00.html] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13628212] [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13628212] Also, if you look at the body of the article, you see that the trend is to call it an abduction. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the body. [[Special:Contributions/99.237.236.218|99.237.236.218]] ([[User talk:99.237.236.218|talk]]) 16:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
-:Sure, here you go.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gilad_Shalit&action=submit
-This has been in place since last year. No one has had a problem before. Also, Shalit was not kidnapped. He was a soldier. Not a civilian. The mainstream media doesn't call him that. Only the Israeli media does. --[[Special:Contributions/217.79.176.158|217.79.176.158]] ([[User talk:217.79.176.158|talk]]) 17:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)