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== Remove biased language == |
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The article only provides a single side of the "controversy" and relies on one-sided news sources. In order to provide a more complete understanding of the topic it is necessary for us to not demonize the other viewpoint. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1009:B01D:AD33:0:47:B567:5801|2600:1009:B01D:AD33:0:47:B567:5801]] ([[User talk:2600:1009:B01D:AD33:0:47:B567:5801|talk]]) 02:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Opponents feel that despite the cost of a change in team mascots, it should be done to prevent what they believe is racial stereotyping. Clyde Bellecourt, when director of the American Indian Movement stated: "It's the behavior that accompanies all of this that's offensive. The rubber tomahawks, the chicken feather headdresses, people wearing war paint and making these ridiculous war whoops with a tomahawk in one hand and a beer in the other; all of these have significant meaning for us. And the psychological impact it has, especially on our youth, is devastating." |
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The following sentence should be changed or removed. Thoughts? |
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This isn't "Financial impact of change", and should be moved to another section, esp. since it's not really discussing the financial aspect (remove the words "despite the cost of a change in team mascots," and see). I think a counterpoint should be included, but this isn't it. I don't know where to move these lines though, but they shouldn't be here. |
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"However, the issue is often discussed in the media in terms of feelings and opinions, and prevents full understanding of the history and context of the use of Native American names and images and why their use by sports teams should be eliminated." [[User:PythonicWikier|PythonicWikier]] ([[User talk:PythonicWikier|talk]]) 20:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:This sentence is supported by a citation from C. Richard King, a PhD anthropologist and professor who is the leading expert on the topic of this article. It is not an opinion, but represents the current consensus by the social sciences that the use of Native American mascots by sports' teams is a form of racism.--[[User:WriterArtistDC|WriterArtistDC]] ([[User talk:WriterArtistDC|talk]]) 01:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Redundancy == |
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{{ping|User:David_Gerard}}: I disagree with your reversion of my recent edit, which clearly identifies the author and publisher of an alternative view of the topic. Given that this article presents the masses of opinion on the majority and academically supported side, is there any reason the right wing nuts should not be given a few sentences? [[User:WriterArtistDC|WriterArtistDC]] ([[User talk:WriterArtistDC|talk]]) 17:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:Because if their opinions are significant, they'll be in RSes. And look, there's National Review! We don't put in non-RSes for this purpose. We note viewpoints insofar as they're covered in RSes, documented to those RSes. See [[WP:FALSEBALANCE]] - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard|talk]]) 16:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Atakes Ris}} Since the navbox and the sidebar are different visual presentations of the same information, including both in an article seems redundant. My preference is to keep the navbox, and remove the sidebar. I don't know if there is any consensus among editors regarding the use of these templates. [[Wikipedia:Navigation template]] indicates that sidebars generally have fewer links, which is not true for discrimination. Visually, a sidebar with many links in more intrusive. [[User:WriterArtistDC|WriterArtistDC]] ([[User talk:WriterArtistDC|talk]]) 14:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:True. But I've seen other articles with both so I'm also unsure as to that, my belief is that having both would save the need to scroll back up if someone is looking for further articles. [[User:Atakes Ris|Atakes Ris]] ([[User talk:Atakes Ris|talk]]) 03:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Remove biased language
[edit]The article only provides a single side of the "controversy" and relies on one-sided news sources. In order to provide a more complete understanding of the topic it is necessary for us to not demonize the other viewpoint. 2600:1009:B01D:AD33:0:47:B567:5801 (talk) 02:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]The following sentence should be changed or removed. Thoughts?
"However, the issue is often discussed in the media in terms of feelings and opinions, and prevents full understanding of the history and context of the use of Native American names and images and why their use by sports teams should be eliminated." PythonicWikier (talk) 20:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- This sentence is supported by a citation from C. Richard King, a PhD anthropologist and professor who is the leading expert on the topic of this article. It is not an opinion, but represents the current consensus by the social sciences that the use of Native American mascots by sports' teams is a form of racism.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Redundancy
[edit]@Atakes Ris: Since the navbox and the sidebar are different visual presentations of the same information, including both in an article seems redundant. My preference is to keep the navbox, and remove the sidebar. I don't know if there is any consensus among editors regarding the use of these templates. Wikipedia:Navigation template indicates that sidebars generally have fewer links, which is not true for discrimination. Visually, a sidebar with many links in more intrusive. WriterArtistDC (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
- True. But I've seen other articles with both so I'm also unsure as to that, my belief is that having both would save the need to scroll back up if someone is looking for further articles. Atakes Ris (talk) 03:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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