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Criticism of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi

Please add criticism on ahmed raza khan barelvi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiacc97 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now what you want to critise about? Ask me? Zuber Niyargar (talk) 21:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly-translated explanation of haazir naazir slipped in

The following simply isn't native English,not clear:

Muhammad is haazir naazir (can be see many places at the same time and reach on desired place by the power given by God

I did a brief check of the term on gBooks (not just the specific citation, but in general what does the term mean), and I'm reasonably sure it's "present at all times and places, and able to see everything" or something along those lines. But in whatever case, what we have now isn't a good explanation. MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have done it.Please check. ScholarM (talk) 11:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EXTRAORDINARY

WP:EXTRAORDINARY says "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources." The article has had the following extraordinary claim, and has been tagged citation needed since April.

At the age of four, he completed the recitation of the Quran^{[citation needed]}. At the age of 13, he completed his Islamic Education as well as reached puberty after which he began issuing Fatwas^{[citation needed]}.

I am removing this claim.-- Toddy1 (talk) 09:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposal for image change

A sleeker looking design more suited to the article https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Calligraphic_text_indicative_of_the_Imam_Ahmad_Raza_Khan.png Graphicalhamza (talk) 23:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Some unknown users are removing a reliable encyclopediac source of biography repeatedly. The article should be protected. IAmAtHome (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jamat Raza -E- Mustafa

I do not know why Jamaat Raza-e-Mustafa has not been included in the Ahmed Raza article, when it is known to all that he has founded this organization. I am adding KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 05:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC) I have added, if there is any mistake in adding then please correct the mistake.KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 06:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's is the peer

what's name of peer for the ahmad raza khan 2A00:F29:2C8:1650:8567:848A:93FA:9FA7 (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove the image of alahazrat Ahmad Raza khan

please remove the image of alahazrat Ahmad Raza khan barelvi 2409:4081:1C1F:F2DB:FE5C:9B65:782F:D3D9 (talk) 02:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The image is fine. You'll need to give a very good reason. DMacks (talk) 02:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes You Are Right They Should Have To Remove The Image Of Aala HAzrat Because It Is Not Real Image Of Him 182.77.15.61 (talk) 05:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You Should Have To Edit The Article

In This Article Wikipedia says that he(Aala Hazrat) Is the founder of Sunni Movement but this is not true, The Sunni movement has been started from the prophet Muhammad saw And all Khalifas and Imams had followed this. Aala Hazrat was a Mujaddid Means a person who is sent by God to end all Temptations 182.77.15.61 (talk) 05:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2024

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Ziauddin Ahmed, once unable to find solutions to some mathematical problems, even after seeking help from mathematicians abroad, decided to visit Germany for assistance. However, at the request of his friend Sayyed Suleman Ashraf, who was a professor of Islamic Studies at Aligarh Muslim University and a disciple (mureed) of Ahmed Raza Khan, Ziauddin visited Ahmed Raza Khan on a special visit to seek answers to his difficult questions. Under the guidance of Ahmed Raza Khan, Ziauddin finally succeeded in finding the solutions he sought.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the heading or name from "Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi" to "Imam Ahmed Raza Khan". Bareilly is a place adding Barelvi in the name creates confusion among many people. Zub98 (talk) 18:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-:Ok.  That note at the top of the page: "Note : This content is free for distribution or republishing and is not under any copyright" is quite sufficient.  I've removed the copyvio notice, and noted the point at [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]].  Thanks so much for helping clear this up!  And thanks esspecialy for contributing to Wikipedia, we really need better material on Islamic topics.  04:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
-==Ahmad Raza Khan's scientics & Quranic approach and Earh stationary claim==
-In the subheading which tells about the knowledge of ahmad raza khan about physics, it is written that Islam says that the Earth is stationary while the Sun orbits it. It is utterly incorrect. Learned modern scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik and others do not interpret these verses and ahadith regarding orbital motion as they are stated in this article. So, I request you remove that part in which it is said that Earth is stationary and Sun revolves around it. Islam can never say such unscientific things.
-[[User:Uzisar|Uzisar]] ([[User talk:Uzisar|talk]]) 04:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
-* I agree with you. The findings of Ahmed Rida Khan was controversial and unscientific and reference to his findings should be removed from this article. Majority of Muslim intellectuals do not agree with this claim.[[User:Marrigreat|Marrigreat]] ([[User talk:Marrigreat|talk]]) 14:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
-*: Majority of Muslims scholars do not interprete these verses and Hadith regarding orbital motion as stated by Ahmed Rida Khan. Science also proved that the findings of Mr. Rida are just ignorance of the truth. These claimes should be removed from the Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/203.130.7.109|203.130.7.109]] ([[User talk:203.130.7.109|talk]]) 06:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
-==Links==
-Are any of the following directly relevant to this article? They come from a highly dubious anonymous source ([[User:Wetman|Wetman]] 21:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)):
-* http://www.islamicacademy.org/
-* http://www.razaacademy.com/
-* http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/msoofindia
-* http://www.sunnidawateislami.net/
-* http://www.geocities.com/msoamu/read.html
-* http://www.raza.co.za/
-* http://www.barkati.net
-These links are all links to Barelvi institutes and organisations, which is the sect/movement that Ahmad Raza Khan (RA) founded. These perhaps aren't relevant to this article but would be to the [[barelvi]] article. [[User:Tanzeel|Tanzeel]] 12:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
-== Imam Raza Khan and [[Ahmad Raza]] ==
-A-salaam-o-alaikum-Rahmen-ALLAH,
-Tonight, I found the [[Ahmad Raza|Imam Raza Khan]] on the clean-up page and thought i would edit it. I have two new sources that you don't have (well you don't have any) I think it would be good to join the best that i have written and the whole of your site.  It makes no sense to keep people going to a wrong site and being confused. join them together please brother. It serves no point to let them be seperate. [[User:Mike33|Mike33]] 22:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
-== Edited School of Thought section ==
-I have added two references, fixed spelling, and removed some dishonest writing (i.e. writing wahhabi and linking deobandi page).
-Thanks Wa Salam Alaikum [[User:58.111.113.52|58.111.113.52]] 08:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC) (AN-MEL)
-== WikiProject class rating==
-This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. [[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] 17:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
-"RESEARCH ON A'LA HAZRAT'S FAUZ-E-MOBEEN: Scientists from the Allama Iqbal Open University in Islamabad have taken a keen interest in researching A'la Hazrat's (alaihir rahmah) "Fauz-e-Mobeen" which deals with the movement of the sun and planets around the earth. At present, research is about to commence on the subject.
+== Criticism of Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi ==
-CHRISTIAN CONVERTS TO ISLAM AFTER READING "KANZUL IMAAN": In 1974, Dr. Hannif Faatimi of London University brought the Professor of Kuwait an English translation of "Kanzul Imaan" (A'la Hazrat's translation of the Holy Quran) for printing. Prof. Faatimi at that time had met a Christian scholar who had revealed that he was interested in reading more about Islam. Prof. Faatimi was two-minded about giving him an English copy of Kanzul Imaan. Eventually, he gave him a copy to read. The Christian scholar, after reading this translation, accepted Islam."
-This stuff is blatant POV violation
-== NPOV ==
-This article clearly lacks sources and assumingly does not satisfy the required NPOV standards of Wikipedia.  [[User:Scythian1|Scythian1]] ([[User talk:Scythian1|talk]]) 05:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
-== Section Criticism is once again inserted ==
-There are many users who don't have enough temper to bear a section of criticism in this article.Why???[[User:Marrigreat|Marrigreat]] ([[User talk:Marrigreat|talk]]) 06:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
+Please add criticism on ahmed raza khan barelvi  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wikiacc97|Wikiacc97]] ([[User talk:Wikiacc97#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wikiacc97|contribs]]) 13:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Now what you want to critise about? Ask me? [[User:Zuber Niyargar|Zuber Niyargar]] ([[User talk:Zuber Niyargar|talk]]) 21:49, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
-==Ridiculous article==
-This article is an awful mess. It is full of POV and bias, and what is even more shocking is that it is biased towards two points of view at the same time! People are just tacking on whatever they like to the article as if it is some kind of talk page. The block about science says both that Ala Hazrat was a brilliant scientist who disproved geocentrism, AND that he was a poor scientist that simply embarrassed Islam!
-At least make your POV bias and vandalism consistant!
+== Poorly-translated explanation of ''haazir naazir'' slipped in ==
-[[Special:Contributions/91.105.161.37|91.105.161.37]] ([[User talk:91.105.161.37|talk]]) 23:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
+The following simply isn't native English,not clear:
+{{quote|Muhammad is haazir naazir ('''can be see many places at the same time and reach on desired place by the power given by God'''}}
+I did a brief check of the term on gBooks (not just the specific citation, but in general what does the term mean), and I'm reasonably sure it's "present at all times and places, and able to see everything" or something along those lines. But in whatever case, what we have now isn't a good explanation. [[User:MatthewVanitas|MatthewVanitas]] ([[User talk:MatthewVanitas|talk]]) 10:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
+:: I have done it.Please check. [[User:ScholarM|ScholarM]] ([[User talk:ScholarM|talk]]) 11:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
+== WP:EXTRAORDINARY ==
+[[WP:EXTRAORDINARY]] says "Any exceptional claim requires {{em|multiple}} high-quality sources."  The article has had the following extraordinary claim, and has been tagged citation needed since April.
+:At the age of four, he completed the recitation of the Quran{{citation needed|date=April 2020}}. At the age of 13, he completed his Islamic Education as well as reached puberty after which he began issuing Fatwas{{citation needed|date=April 2020}}.
+I am removing this claim.<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 09:40, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
+== A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion ==
-this is pure vandalism .. it should be edited by a neutral source .. its is highly biased against the deobandi sect of muslims  and goes on even to call them kafirs (non muslims).. These are point of view of the author(s) trying to market/propogate their sect and not facts .. which is against the very spirit of our wikipedia community.
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-== Proof Reading ==
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+== Proposal for image change ==
-I've done an awful lot of proof reading, and I hope you lot are happy with it. If you object with my corrections: please brothers, take it from a born and bred Englishman. I've noticed that there is a glitch of some sort after the part in the article where it says "therefore disobeying the following hadith"- I hope to fix this after getting some help, and I would not like anyone to revert the changes I have made since it was strenuous work.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Huss4in|Huss4in]] ([[User talk:Huss4in|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huss4in|contribs]]) 09:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+A sleeker looking design more suited to the article
-== Changes Reverted ==
+https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Calligraphic_text_indicative_of_the_Imam_Ahmad_Raza_Khan.png
+[[User:Graphicalhamza|Graphicalhamza]] ([[User talk:Graphicalhamza|talk]]) 23:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
+== Vandalism ==
-It appears as if the strenuous grammatical proof reading i've done has been reverted. Thats quite disappointing but if people prefer bad, influent grammar as a way to present to the world the founder of their religious school, thats fine by me. It seems a fellow brothers work isn't appreciated by some, which doesn't bother me since that is the reason why there is so much ignorance in that part of the world.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Huss4in|Huss4in]] ([[User talk:Huss4in|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huss4in|contribs]]) 19:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Some unknown users are removing a reliable encyclopediac source of biography repeatedly. The article should be protected. [[User:IAmAtHome|IAmAtHome]] ([[User talk:IAmAtHome|talk]]) 23:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
-==More edits==
-I have edited to:
-* remove repeated links and links to plain English words per [[WP:OVERLINK]]
-*remove date links per [[MOS:SYL]]
-*fix the capitalization of headings per [[WP:MOSHEAD]]
-and other copyedits per [[WP:MOS]]. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] | [[User talk:Ground Zero|t]] 03:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
-== Need for further editing ==
+== Jamat Raza -E- Mustafa  ==
+I do not know why Jamaat Raza-e-Mustafa has not been included in the Ahmed Raza article, when it is known to all that he has founded this organization. I am adding [[User:KhanQadriRazvi|KhanQadriRazvi]] ([[User talk:KhanQadriRazvi|talk]]) 05:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
-This article is very messy, and in parts the English needs correcting (as someone seems to have tried, but his corrections were apparently deleted).
+I have added, if there is any mistake in adding then please correct the mistake.[[User:KhanQadriRazvi|KhanQadriRazvi]] ([[User talk:KhanQadriRazvi|talk]]) 06:06, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+== What's is the peer ==
-Perhaps it might be an idea to transfer the earth-centric information to a separate article, perhaps an article on one of his books on the subject (Such as Nuzool-e Ayat-e Furqan ...).
-There is also too much fancy wording in places. [[User:Energyworm|Energyworm]] ([[User talk:Energyworm|talk]]) 22:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
+what's name of peer for the ahmad raza khan [[Special:Contributions/2A00:F29:2C8:1650:8567:848A:93FA:9FA7|2A00:F29:2C8:1650:8567:848A:93FA:9FA7]] ([[User talk:2A00:F29:2C8:1650:8567:848A:93FA:9FA7|talk]]) 22:01, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
+== Please remove the image of alahazrat Ahmad Raza khan ==
-== Inconsistency of names ==
+please remove the image of alahazrat Ahmad Raza khan barelvi [[Special:Contributions/2409:4081:1C1F:F2DB:FE5C:9B65:782F:D3D9|2409:4081:1C1F:F2DB:FE5C:9B65:782F:D3D9]] ([[User talk:2409:4081:1C1F:F2DB:FE5C:9B65:782F:D3D9|talk]]) 02:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
-The title of the article is Ahmed Rida Khan; immediately under it is Ahmad Raza Khan; the Urdu version reads Maulana A. R. Khan (I write AR to avoid the above alternation in transliterated spellings), and the Hindi reads as Imam Ahmad Raza Khan. Further into the article he is referred to as A‘lahazrat, which is the title by which adherents of the Bareilvi School of Thought now refer to him; non-Bareilvi Muslims, or non-Muslims will be confused to a degree as to who this A‘lahazrat is.
+:The image is fine. You'll need to give a very good reason. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 02:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
+:Yes You Are Right They Should Have To Remove The Image Of Aala HAzrat Because It Is Not Real Image Of Him [[Special:Contributions/182.77.15.61|182.77.15.61]] ([[User talk:182.77.15.61|talk]]) 05:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
+== You Should Have To Edit The Article ==
-It might be an idea to make the main page Ahmad Raza Khan, since that is the Urdu / Hindi pronunciation of his name; Rida is an approximation of the Arabic name, and he was not an Arab. Whatever is done, some degree of consistency is needed. [[User:Energyworm|Energyworm]] ([[User talk:Energyworm|talk]]) 22:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
+In This Article Wikipedia says that he(Aala Hazrat) Is the founder of Sunni Movement but this is not true, The Sunni movement has been started from the prophet Muhammad saw And  all Khalifas and Imams had followed this. Aala Hazrat was a Mujaddid Means a person who is sent by God to end all Temptations [[Special:Contributions/182.77.15.61|182.77.15.61]] ([[User talk:182.77.15.61|talk]]) 05:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
-== Giant quotes? ==
+== Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2024 ==
-The sections like [[Ahmed Rida Khan#Works in physics|Works in physics]] appear to be quotes. Are they? If so, they should be quoted and sourced.&mdash;[[User:C45207|C45207]] | [[User_talk:C45207|Talk]] 07:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
+{{Edit semi-protected|Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi|answered=yes}}
+ [[User:Mujeeb08|Mujeeb08]] ([[User talk:Mujeeb08|talk]]) 18:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
+Ziauddin Ahmed, once unable to find solutions to some mathematical problems, even after seeking help from mathematicians abroad, decided to visit Germany for assistance. However, at the request of his friend Sayyed Suleman Ashraf, who was a professor of Islamic Studies at Aligarh Muslim University and a disciple (mureed) of Ahmed Raza Khan, Ziauddin visited Ahmed Raza Khan on a special visit to seek answers to his difficult questions. Under the guidance of Ahmed Raza Khan, Ziauddin finally succeeded in finding the solutions he sought.
+:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2024 ==
-== The article has been neutralized ==
+{{Edit semi-protected|Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi|answered=yes}}
-A significant effort has been made in this respect, please further improve the article but don't alter the entire article.
+Change the heading or name from "Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi" to "Imam Ahmed Raza Khan". Bareilly is a place adding Barelvi in the name creates confusion among many people. [[User:Zub98|Zub98]] ([[User talk:Zub98|talk]]) 18:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:32, 11 August 2024 (UTC)