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Is it possible to get a citation for the comment about the market being bigger than Ipswich's? |
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== General == |
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Is it possible to get a citation for the comment about the market being bigger than Ipswich's? |
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The pier was not "bombed by the allies". It was demolished by the Corps of Engineers. No B-17s were involved. |
The pier was not "bombed by the allies". It was demolished by the Corps of Engineers. No B-17s were involved. |
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Saint Felix? |
Saint Felix? |
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:that would presumably be [[Felix of Burgundy]] who, the linked site above as well as our Article suggests, ''may'' have founded a church in the vicinity, now lost to the sea. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/185.74.232.130|185.74.232.130]] ([[User talk:185.74.232.130|talk]]) 12:14, 12 February 2016 (UTC) |
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I have contacted Suffolk Churches and proposed that the name may have originated from Latin as [[User:Drutt|Drutt]] states. In Latin "Felix sto we" translates to "Happy we stand". Received a response for any of those interested "it would be very unusual for an English placename to be derived from Latin, but it's not impossible". |
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A possible derivation is Felix - stowe, meaning the holy place of (Saint) Felix. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.183.251|92.24.183.251]] ([[User talk:92.24.183.251|talk]]) 11:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::Everything you could possibly want to know about the place name Stow is in the article The Meaning of Old English Stow and the Origin of the Name of Bristol by David H. Higgins, available here http://www.bgas.org.uk/tbgas_bg/v132/bg13267.pdf So it seems the derivation is probable. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.183.4|92.24.183.4]] ([[User talk:92.24.183.4|talk]]) 11:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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Or Filica? |
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The article currently says that Saint Felix is the origin of the name Felixstowe, but the Saint Felix article says "The village of Felixkirk (in Yorkshire) and the town of Felixstowe may both have been named after the saint, though an alternative meaning for Felixstowe, "the stow of Filica", has been suggested" and gives two authoritative sources. The internet does not clearly indicate who Filica was. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.186.41|92.24.186.41]] ([[User talk:92.24.186.41|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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"Records show that the seaside town was named ‘Filchestou’ in 1254, and ‘Filchestowe’ in 1291. But how did it evolve into Felixstowe? “This most likely came from the holy or assembly place (taken from the Old English word ‘stōw’) of a man called ‘Filicia’," explains A.D. Mills. "This is probably an anglicisation of St Felix, the first Bishop of East Anglia c.630-648 with whom of course the place is associated. Bede’s Ecclesiastical History c.731 mentioned this as the site where St Felix established his see. The current form of the place name does not appear until early 16th century, however."" From https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/travel/area-guides/meaning-of-suffolk-place-names-8004696 [[Special:Contributions/92.24.181.14|92.24.181.14]] ([[User talk:92.24.181.14|talk]]) 09:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Felixstowe railway station services == |
== Felixstowe railway station services == |
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I'm afraid that I don't believe that the station ever had "20 services an hour". This implies a train every three minutes.[[User:Librarian16|Librarian16]] ([[User talk:Librarian16|talk]]) 21:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC) |
I'm afraid that I don't believe that the station ever had "20 services an hour". This implies a train every three minutes.[[User:Librarian16|Librarian16]] ([[User talk:Librarian16|talk]]) 21:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC) |
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== Nos 91-95 Undercliff Road West, Felixstowe Tourist Information Centre == |
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This building is currently for sale (September 2014) and could be under threat of demolition in future. I have added the fact that it is currently used for Felixstowe Tourist Information Centre so that interested parties might find the entry more easily from a general web search - it would be known locally as the Tourist Information Centre building. [[User:PeterEssexHeritage|PeterEssexHeritage]] ([[User talk:PeterEssexHeritage|talk]]) 20:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC) |
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== Notable residents == |
== Notable residents == |
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==Parks== |
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This should be removed from History and either have its own section or be moved under leisure.[[User:Suffolkpunch|Suffolkpunch]] ([[User talk:Suffolkpunch|talk]]) 21:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC) |
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===Lucus Park=== |
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I lived in Felixstowe for 25 years and used this park regularly over this period. I have never ever heard it referred to as Lucus Park and believe this information to be inaccurate. It is simply referred to as 'The Grove' by locals with the correct name being Eastward Ho after the Golf course that was located on the site before the Second World War. |
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I strongly agree with the above comment and would like to add that the Ward Lock & Co's Felixstowe and District guide from 1930 reads "The Eastward Ho ! Golf Club is only five minutes' walk from the Town Station. The links are in close proximity to the Grove..." and "This pretty woodland...is at the end of Beatrice Avenue...For half a mile it forms a shaded walk through a beautiful plantation...". The reference provided by the original author does not refer to or support the 'Lucus Park' name and I do not know of any modern or historic usage. Searches online for this term all refer to this article. The park is made up of 'Abbey Grove' to the west (the newest woodland plantation), 'The Grove' (the older woodland plantation in the middle) and 'Eastward Ho!' to the east (the playing fields and former golf course). Generally, 'The Grove' is used locally to refer to the entire park land. The medical practice and nearby road use the term 'Grove'. This section should be amended to use the popular and well known name and maybe refer to the other name if a suitable citation can be given. [[User:Suffolkpunch|Suffolkpunch]] ([[User talk:Suffolkpunch|talk]]) 01:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC) |
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I attended this park today and noted that Suffolk Coastal District Council has installed signage labelling the car park 'Eastward Ho'. At the entrance to the woodland is an information board labelling it 'The Grove' and containing no reference to 'Lucus Park'. I am convinced beyond doubt that the article should be amended. [[User:Suffolkpunch|Suffolkpunch]] ([[User talk:Suffolkpunch|talk]]) 21:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC) |
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== Dull municipal photographs == |
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== Walton, Walton Castle, Felixstowe Ferry, foot-ferries over the Deben and to Harwich == |
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There ought to be more obvious links to [[Walton, Suffolk]], [[Walton Castle, Suffolk]], and [[Felixstowe Ferry]]. The foot and bicycle ferry between Felixstowe Ferry and [[Bawdsey]] was still operating yesterday, and has been for at least 50 years. The other foot-and-bicycle ferry to Harwich closed for a while but then re-opened with beach landings, do not know if it is still going. Update: see [[Local Ferries in Suffolk]]. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.183.251|92.24.183.251]] ([[User talk:92.24.183.251|talk]]) 10:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== History Of Manning's Amusements deserves a separate section == |
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It was established in 1946 and used to be a feature of the town, including the demolished roller-coaster, and was an essential part of a visit to Felixstowe when I was a child, but now it appears that the dodgems and the various up and down mechanical whirrly rides have all gone and now it is just a large yard. There is a lot about it on the internet. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.183.4|92.24.183.4]] ([[User talk:92.24.183.4|talk]]) 10:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Old Felixstowe == |
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Although Old Felixstowe is mentioned two or three times, there ought to be a more explicit description of the Old Felixstowe area. As far as I am aware it is an area of up-market 1920s housing to the north-east of the town centre, which stretches down to the beach. [[Special:Contributions/92.24.181.14|92.24.181.14]] ([[User talk:92.24.181.14|talk]]) 10:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Population of Felixstowe == |
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The first paragraph of this article claims: "At the 2011 Census, it had a population of 141,474." |
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I have not lived there for a long time but find that figure hard to believe. Could it be the population of Ipswich? Elsewhere, I have seen a number around 24,000 which strikes me as more realistic. Could the Editors/Authors of this article please advise? |
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--[[User:Stevebkk|Steve]] ([[User talk:Stevebkk|talk]]) 00:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:The infobox states "23,689 (2011 Census)", which is a number supported by a [[https://www.eastsuffolk.gov.uk/assets/Planning/Neighbourhood-Planning/Town-and-village-profiles/Felixstowe-Town-Profile.pdf "town profile" of '''2019''' in the districts' website]. Of course it's not important where the population of 141,474 belongs or if it was accurate somewhere en 2011 (en.wiki states for Ipswich a number of 133 384 for an estimation of 2019, fr.wiki strangely states the exact same number for the cense of march 2011 - whereas wikidata informs about a population of 290 000 ... no comment), but it's wrong for Felixstowe. I found [https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/eastofengland/suffolk/E35000431__felixstowe/ this source], using the help of the Esperanto wikipedia, stating: cense of april 2001 23,921, cense of march 2011 23,564 and an estimate of 24,441 for mid 2020. Those are credible numbers! [[User:ThomasPusch|ThomasPusch]] ([[User talk:ThomasPusch|talk]]) 12:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== Wrong name == |
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[edit]Is it possible to get a citation for the comment about the market being bigger than Ipswich's?
The pier was not "bombed by the allies". It was demolished by the Corps of Engineers. No B-17s were involved.
"By the late 1990s the town council had neglected the pier so badly " - the pier is privately owned is not the responsibility of the council.
It can be argued that the council are still partly to blame, had they wanted to preserve the pier they could have. They just didn't care and still don't as the huge empty area by the nature reserve and felixstowe market, there for the last decade or so, demonstrates.
The image on this page that is supposedly of Languard Fort is actually the Doge's Palace in Venice! Markgpx 13:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed, I removed the image and replaced it with another one actually of Landguard Fort in Felixstowe. I thought before that I didn't recognise it (lived in flx for years), but never really clicked! Cheers [[ 18:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- The photo was orignally of Languard fort (not posted by myself) but it was named DSCFxxxx so I guess some dimwit overwrote it. Pjcard 16:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
The map currently shown for this article is not appropriate for Felixstowe. Stepp-Wulf 03:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC).
- Seems to have been fixed? Pjcard 16:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup
[edit]I have just tidied up this article. Does anyone object if I remove the Cleanup tag? Biscuittin (talk) 09:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Origin of name
[edit]Is "Felixstowe" of latin derivation ? Drutt (talk) 14:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
- Probably not, judging by this usually well-informed site: http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/felixstoweintro.htm. Barnabypage (talk) 11:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Saint Felix? --58.136.5.193 (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- that would presumably be Felix of Burgundy who, the linked site above as well as our Article suggests, may have founded a church in the vicinity, now lost to the sea. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
I have contacted Suffolk Churches and proposed that the name may have originated from Latin as Drutt states. In Latin "Felix sto we" translates to "Happy we stand". Received a response for any of those interested "it would be very unusual for an English placename to be derived from Latin, but it's not impossible".
A possible derivation is Felix - stowe, meaning the holy place of (Saint) Felix. 92.24.183.251 (talk) 11:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Everything you could possibly want to know about the place name Stow is in the article The Meaning of Old English Stow and the Origin of the Name of Bristol by David H. Higgins, available here http://www.bgas.org.uk/tbgas_bg/v132/bg13267.pdf So it seems the derivation is probable. 92.24.183.4 (talk) 11:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Or Filica? The article currently says that Saint Felix is the origin of the name Felixstowe, but the Saint Felix article says "The village of Felixkirk (in Yorkshire) and the town of Felixstowe may both have been named after the saint, though an alternative meaning for Felixstowe, "the stow of Filica", has been suggested" and gives two authoritative sources. The internet does not clearly indicate who Filica was. 92.24.186.41 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
"Records show that the seaside town was named ‘Filchestou’ in 1254, and ‘Filchestowe’ in 1291. But how did it evolve into Felixstowe? “This most likely came from the holy or assembly place (taken from the Old English word ‘stōw’) of a man called ‘Filicia’," explains A.D. Mills. "This is probably an anglicisation of St Felix, the first Bishop of East Anglia c.630-648 with whom of course the place is associated. Bede’s Ecclesiastical History c.731 mentioned this as the site where St Felix established his see. The current form of the place name does not appear until early 16th century, however."" From https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/travel/area-guides/meaning-of-suffolk-place-names-8004696 92.24.181.14 (talk) 09:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Felixstowe railway station services
[edit]I'm afraid that I don't believe that the station ever had "20 services an hour". This implies a train every three minutes.Librarian16 (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Nos 91-95 Undercliff Road West, Felixstowe Tourist Information Centre
[edit](I have added the text about this back to the main article, because it was removed by an anonymous user for no reason. Now the main article is reverted, I am adding back this Talk entry. Please could you provide a reason if you think the article or Talk should not have these entries?)
This building is currently for sale (September 2014) and could be under threat of demolition in future. I have added the fact that it is currently used for Felixstowe Tourist Information Centre so that interested parties might find the entry more easily from a general web search - it would be known locally as the Tourist Information Centre building. PeterEssexHeritage (talk) 20:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Notable residents
[edit]Query use of "notable" re. student with an interest in Japanese cartoons. The Charles Cope reference should probably be deleted unless a compelling case can be made for retention (eg what is really "notable" here?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.63.135 (talk) 01:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Parks
[edit]This should be removed from History and either have its own section or be moved under leisure.Suffolkpunch (talk) 21:50, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Lucus Park
[edit]I lived in Felixstowe for 25 years and used this park regularly over this period. I have never ever heard it referred to as Lucus Park and believe this information to be inaccurate. It is simply referred to as 'The Grove' by locals with the correct name being Eastward Ho after the Golf course that was located on the site before the Second World War.
I strongly agree with the above comment and would like to add that the Ward Lock & Co's Felixstowe and District guide from 1930 reads "The Eastward Ho ! Golf Club is only five minutes' walk from the Town Station. The links are in close proximity to the Grove..." and "This pretty woodland...is at the end of Beatrice Avenue...For half a mile it forms a shaded walk through a beautiful plantation...". The reference provided by the original author does not refer to or support the 'Lucus Park' name and I do not know of any modern or historic usage. Searches online for this term all refer to this article. The park is made up of 'Abbey Grove' to the west (the newest woodland plantation), 'The Grove' (the older woodland plantation in the middle) and 'Eastward Ho!' to the east (the playing fields and former golf course). Generally, 'The Grove' is used locally to refer to the entire park land. The medical practice and nearby road use the term 'Grove'. This section should be amended to use the popular and well known name and maybe refer to the other name if a suitable citation can be given. Suffolkpunch (talk) 01:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I attended this park today and noted that Suffolk Coastal District Council has installed signage labelling the car park 'Eastward Ho'. At the entrance to the woodland is an information board labelling it 'The Grove' and containing no reference to 'Lucus Park'. I am convinced beyond doubt that the article should be amended. Suffolkpunch (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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[edit]The photos with the article make Felixstowe appear to be a much more dreary place than it really is. Could someone include some lively photos of for example the cliff-side gardens, fun on the beach, the vulgar-but-colourful amusements, the busy High Street, etc? 92.28.246.253 (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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Walton, Walton Castle, Felixstowe Ferry, foot-ferries over the Deben and to Harwich
[edit]There ought to be more obvious links to Walton, Suffolk, Walton Castle, Suffolk, and Felixstowe Ferry. The foot and bicycle ferry between Felixstowe Ferry and Bawdsey was still operating yesterday, and has been for at least 50 years. The other foot-and-bicycle ferry to Harwich closed for a while but then re-opened with beach landings, do not know if it is still going. Update: see Local Ferries in Suffolk. 92.24.183.251 (talk) 10:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
History Of Manning's Amusements deserves a separate section
[edit]It was established in 1946 and used to be a feature of the town, including the demolished roller-coaster, and was an essential part of a visit to Felixstowe when I was a child, but now it appears that the dodgems and the various up and down mechanical whirrly rides have all gone and now it is just a large yard. There is a lot about it on the internet. 92.24.183.4 (talk) 10:45, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Old Felixstowe
[edit]Although Old Felixstowe is mentioned two or three times, there ought to be a more explicit description of the Old Felixstowe area. As far as I am aware it is an area of up-market 1920s housing to the north-east of the town centre, which stretches down to the beach. 92.24.181.14 (talk) 10:02, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Population of Felixstowe
[edit]The first paragraph of this article claims: "At the 2011 Census, it had a population of 141,474." I have not lived there for a long time but find that figure hard to believe. Could it be the population of Ipswich? Elsewhere, I have seen a number around 24,000 which strikes me as more realistic. Could the Editors/Authors of this article please advise? --Steve (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- The infobox states "23,689 (2011 Census)", which is a number supported by a ["town profile" of 2019 in the districts' website. Of course it's not important where the population of 141,474 belongs or if it was accurate somewhere en 2011 (en.wiki states for Ipswich a number of 133 384 for an estimation of 2019, fr.wiki strangely states the exact same number for the cense of march 2011 - whereas wikidata informs about a population of 290 000 ... no comment), but it's wrong for Felixstowe. I found this source, using the help of the Esperanto wikipedia, stating: cense of april 2001 23,921, cense of march 2011 23,564 and an estimate of 24,441 for mid 2020. Those are credible numbers! ThomasPusch (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Wrong name
[edit]under notable people, the photo of James Plaice is wrongly named as Jim Paice
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