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== Title dispute ==

Online television is not a common term. [[Internet television]] is. [[AP Stylebook]] no longer requires "internet" to be capitalized. It should be moved back. <span style="border:1px solid #445A38;padding:1px;">[[User:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#8f5902;">ViperSnake151</span>]] [[User_talk:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88A976;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</span>]] </span> 05:29, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
:So, "BBC Three (internet television)" ''is'' acceptable. [[User:AlexTheWhovian|<span style="color:#16329F;text-shadow:3px 3px 8px #102372;">'''Alex'''&#124;''The''&#124;'''Whovian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:AlexTheWhovian#top|<span style="color:#8F0104">'''?'''</span>]]</sup> 07:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
:Does Wikipedia follow the AP Style guide? I thought it followed the style of country of origin for the topic. For example the Canadian Press Style Guide still capitalizes "Internet" so Canadian topics would still capitalize if Wikipedia followed any of the press style guides. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.233.86|68.146.233.86]] ([[User talk:68.146.233.86|talk]]) 21:44, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

==Requested move==
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The result of the move request was: '''moved''' to [[BBC Three (online)]], a valid alternative that was unopposed and also neatly sidesteps the capitalisation issue. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 04:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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[[:BBC Three (Internet television)]] → {{no redirect|BBC Three (internet television)}} – You do not need to use a capital "I". [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:564B:D300:F0AF:3E31:A9EB:E342|2A02:C7D:564B:D300:F0AF:3E31:A9EB:E342]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7D:564B:D300:F0AF:3E31:A9EB:E342|talk]]) 18:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC) <small>'''''-- Relisting.''''' '''<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">[[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#209ccc;">Anarchyte</span>]] <span style="color:#000;"><small>([[Special:Contributions/Anarchyte|<span style="color:#2e1c87;">work</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#2e1c87;">talk</span>]])</small></span></span>''' 08:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)</small>
Using a capital I in intenet is not needed. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:564B:D300:FD3A:7211:844:E14A|2A02:C7D:564B:D300:FD3A:7211:844:E14A]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7D:564B:D300:FD3A:7211:844:E14A|talk]]) 09:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
* '''Favour''' the use of a non-capital i. It is now a common name as telephone. [[User:Board Wesger|Board Wesger]] ([[User talk:Board Wesger|talk]]) 20:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC).
* '''Oppose'''; I would rather have it moved to [[BBC Three]]. It has been long enough since the shift that this can now be considered the primary topic. <span style="border:1px solid #445A38;padding:1px;">[[User:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#8f5902;">ViperSnake151</span>]] [[User_talk:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88A976;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</span>]] </span> 15:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support moving to [[BBC Three (online)]]''' - I've only just spotted this at the [[BBC Three]] article and I actually prefer it over "Internet television", Having searched for "Internet television" most go by the caps anyway so had I not spotted this I probably would've opposed but anyway "online" is IMHO better. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 20:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Move to [[BBC Three (online)]]''' — the article states {{tq|BBC Three is a British over-the-top internet television service operated by the BBC, which launched on 16 February 2016. It is a replacement for the linear BBC Three television channel, which was discontinued the same day.}} --[[User:CookieMonster755|<b style="color:#0099ff">✉cookiemonster✉</b>]] [[User_talk:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:#00cc99"><sup>𝚨755𝛀</sup></span>]] 20:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': "Internet" is consistently capitalized at [[Internet]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet]], and this article about a video service is not a good place to try to start a movement to change that convention. —[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 16:00, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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==Broadcast quality==
Article is missing discussion as to whether high definition is available via the new service or if this is reserved for later BBC One/Two over-the-air broadcast. [[Special:Contributions/68.146.233.86|68.146.233.86]] ([[User talk:68.146.233.86|talk]]) 21:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

== Needs updating ==

The article basically ends in 2016. There's one mention of 2019 in lead. No mention of successes like Fleabag, RTS channel of the year and other awards and plaudits. - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 15:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

== Why is this a separate page ==

Why are BBC Three and BBC Three (online) separate pages? It's one channel which was linear and on-demand. It stopped the linear part, which is planned to return. It's peculiar to say BBC Three closed and was replaced by BBC Three (online). It doesn't really make sense.

By comparison, BBC One (online) doesn't exist as a separate page to BBC One. There's one channel which is linear and on-demand. Same of all the other channels.

[[User:Walt111|Walt111]] ([[User talk:Walt111|talk]]) 16:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Agree. The two pages should be merged as only the output platform was changed, not the channel style or content. BBC Three will return as a broadcast channel in 2022 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2021/bbc-three-broadcast-channel). There's no need for the online phase to be a separate article. [[User:HelloHanSolo|HelloHanSolo]] ([[User talk:HelloHanSolo|talk]]) 13:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Walt111}} {{ping|HelloHanSolo}} I too don't understand why it is separate. I have just opened a merging request on the BBC Three talk page. --[[User:Jf81|Jf81]] ([[User talk:Jf81|talk]]) 15:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:: Because this is a fundamentally different service that shares the same name. It has a different history. <span style="border:1px solid #445A38;padding:1px;">[[User:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#8f5902">ViperSnake151</span>]] [[User_talk:ViperSnake151|<span style="color:#fff;background:#88A976;">&nbsp;Talk&nbsp;</span>]] </span> 16:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

:::And I have replied to that merge discussion arguing that both articles should be retained for the same reasons as stated by [[User:ViperSnake151]]. [[User:Rillington|Rillington]] ([[User talk:Rillington|talk]]) 14:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

::: ViperSnake, I do not agree with you by any means. It is not at all a fundamentally different service. It is BBC Three (online only). It does not have a different history to BBC Three. It's part of its history. The channel style is exactly the same, the content is exactly the same. Let alone the fact that this article is short enough to be added to the BBC Three article. | [[User:ComplainingCamel|ComplainingCamel]] ([[User talk:ComplainingCamel|talk]]) 16:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

== It hasn't closed ==

The return of the broadcast channel didn't mean they closed the streaming service. The streaming service continues just as before. --[[User:AnotherBunDance|AnotherBunDance]] ([[User talk:AnotherBunDance|talk]]) 07:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

:Agreed, the narrative on the page is wrong. Also, the 'streaming service' is a channel in iPlayer, like all other BBC channels. It appeared at the same time iPlayer launched. [[User:Walt111|Walt111]] ([[User talk:Walt111|talk]]) 22:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
::Then why doesn't every other BBC channel have a "streaming service" page? Also, [[BBC iPlayer|according to Wikipedia itself]], BBC3's streaming incarnation didn't "appear" the same time BBC iPlayer launched. [[User:Thecleanerand|Thecleanerand]] ([[User talk:Thecleanerand|talk]]) 23:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

== And the debate continues... (BBC3 Merger) ==

[[Talk:BBC_Three#Merge_proposal]]

This is getting ridiculous. How many times is this crap going to be brought up? It's been '''2 YEARS'''

Admittedly, the BBC Three streaming service, as it was, definitely "closed" when the linear channel returned; as BBC3 programming was no longer exclusive to [[BBC iPlayer]] and branded blocks. However, both [[BBC Three]] & [[BBC Three (streaming service)]] are huge articles that are almost '''impossible''' to merge. If they were meant to be merged, someone would have already done it by now.

A merger may be possible if you splinter the "History" and "Content"/"Programming" sections of both the channel & the former streaming platform into respective "History of BBC Three" and "Programming on BBC Three" pages. Then, it's just a matter of removing entries from both pages that don't have proper citations{{efn|Side note: For some reason, A LOT of pages on United Kingdom television channels have little-to-no citations to verify almost everything on them. I fail to see how "good faith" can exist on a website edited by people who deserve anything but.}}. That's the only fair compromise I can come up with.

Aside from that, '''SOMEONE''' needs to put an end to this. [[User:Thecleanerand|Thecleanerand]] ([[User talk:Thecleanerand|talk]]) 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 23:51, 16 August 2024

Title dispute

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Online television is not a common term. Internet television is. AP Stylebook no longer requires "internet" to be capitalized. It should be moved back. ViperSnake151  Talk  05:29, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, "BBC Three (internet television)" is acceptable. Alex|The|Whovian? 07:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Does Wikipedia follow the AP Style guide? I thought it followed the style of country of origin for the topic. For example the Canadian Press Style Guide still capitalizes "Internet" so Canadian topics would still capitalize if Wikipedia followed any of the press style guides. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 21:44, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to BBC Three (online), a valid alternative that was unopposed and also neatly sidesteps the capitalisation issue. Jenks24 (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]



BBC Three (Internet television)BBC Three (internet television) – You do not need to use a capital "I". 2A02:C7D:564B:D300:F0AF:3E31:A9EB:E342 (talk) 18:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC) -- Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 08:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC) Using a capital I in intenet is not needed. 2A02:C7D:564B:D300:FD3A:7211:844:E14A (talk) 09:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Favour the use of a non-capital i. It is now a common name as telephone. Board Wesger (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]
  • Oppose; I would rather have it moved to BBC Three. It has been long enough since the shift that this can now be considered the primary topic. ViperSnake151  Talk  15:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support moving to BBC Three (online) - I've only just spotted this at the BBC Three article and I actually prefer it over "Internet television", Having searched for "Internet television" most go by the caps anyway so had I not spotted this I probably would've opposed but anyway "online" is IMHO better. –Davey2010Talk 20:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to BBC Three (online) — the article states BBC Three is a British over-the-top internet television service operated by the BBC, which launched on 16 February 2016. It is a replacement for the linear BBC Three television channel, which was discontinued the same day. --✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 20:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: "Internet" is consistently capitalized at Internet and Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet, and this article about a video service is not a good place to try to start a movement to change that convention. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Broadcast quality

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Article is missing discussion as to whether high definition is available via the new service or if this is reserved for later BBC One/Two over-the-air broadcast. 68.146.233.86 (talk) 21:46, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Needs updating

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The article basically ends in 2016. There's one mention of 2019 in lead. No mention of successes like Fleabag, RTS channel of the year and other awards and plaudits. - X201 (talk) 15:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this a separate page

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Why are BBC Three and BBC Three (online) separate pages? It's one channel which was linear and on-demand. It stopped the linear part, which is planned to return. It's peculiar to say BBC Three closed and was replaced by BBC Three (online). It doesn't really make sense.

By comparison, BBC One (online) doesn't exist as a separate page to BBC One. There's one channel which is linear and on-demand. Same of all the other channels.

Walt111 (talk) 16:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The two pages should be merged as only the output platform was changed, not the channel style or content. BBC Three will return as a broadcast channel in 2022 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2021/bbc-three-broadcast-channel). There's no need for the online phase to be a separate article. HelloHanSolo (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Walt111: @HelloHanSolo: I too don't understand why it is separate. I have just opened a merging request on the BBC Three talk page. --Jf81 (talk) 15:28, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because this is a fundamentally different service that shares the same name. It has a different history. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And I have replied to that merge discussion arguing that both articles should be retained for the same reasons as stated by User:ViperSnake151. Rillington (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
ViperSnake, I do not agree with you by any means. It is not at all a fundamentally different service. It is BBC Three (online only). It does not have a different history to BBC Three. It's part of its history. The channel style is exactly the same, the content is exactly the same. Let alone the fact that this article is short enough to be added to the BBC Three article. | ComplainingCamel (talk) 16:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't closed

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The return of the broadcast channel didn't mean they closed the streaming service. The streaming service continues just as before. --AnotherBunDance (talk) 07:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the narrative on the page is wrong. Also, the 'streaming service' is a channel in iPlayer, like all other BBC channels. It appeared at the same time iPlayer launched. Walt111 (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then why doesn't every other BBC channel have a "streaming service" page? Also, according to Wikipedia itself, BBC3's streaming incarnation didn't "appear" the same time BBC iPlayer launched. Thecleanerand (talk) 23:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the debate continues... (BBC3 Merger)

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Talk:BBC_Three#Merge_proposal

This is getting ridiculous. How many times is this crap going to be brought up? It's been 2 YEARS

Admittedly, the BBC Three streaming service, as it was, definitely "closed" when the linear channel returned; as BBC3 programming was no longer exclusive to BBC iPlayer and branded blocks. However, both BBC Three & BBC Three (streaming service) are huge articles that are almost impossible to merge. If they were meant to be merged, someone would have already done it by now.

A merger may be possible if you splinter the "History" and "Content"/"Programming" sections of both the channel & the former streaming platform into respective "History of BBC Three" and "Programming on BBC Three" pages. Then, it's just a matter of removing entries from both pages that don't have proper citations[a]. That's the only fair compromise I can come up with.

Aside from that, SOMEONE needs to put an end to this. Thecleanerand (talk) 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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