Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hikmat Zaid

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Based on notability guidelines on politicians reaffirmed by !voters in this discussion, this subject is clear-cut notable. Being a minister of several ministries on a federal level equivalent, and serving as a legislator again on a federal level equivalent is a clear-cut pass on NPOL. (non-admin closure) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:00, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hikmat Zaid

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The article is highly promotion and extremely non neutral. It does use sources for some material but other material is extremely lacking in basic citations. Some sources cite to sources that are, in my opinion, not reliable at all. Others are to Fatah or Fatah-related organizations for which the subject was a non-trivial member and therefore not independent.

Created by a COI contributor and previously draftified and disputed. Creator has now been blocked for sockpuppetry for trying to deceive the connection they have had to the subject, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abul7ik/Archive#10 August 2024. I understand that, given the COI, this could still be sent back to AfC but, given the block, I think that would be a round-about way of just {{g13}}ing the draft.

I also think this article is on the cusp of being {{g11}}ed but I may be biased given that my previous attempts to aid in fixing the draft have clearly been met in bad faith. I think any attempt to add maintenance tags would double the size of the article. My opinion is that it exists solely to promote the subject, and there is valid justification for a TNT deletion here. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Palestine. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and stubify. He meets NPOL as a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council (I checked, it's verifiable here). The entire article is obviously written by AI (scores 100% on GPTZero) so it should be trimmed down to a stub that can be expanded neutrally and verifiably. I have also tagged all the images for dated deletion on Commons because they are clearly not the uploader's own work. C F A 💬 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Certainly notable, but likely needs WP:TNTing due to the amount of AI used. Curbon7 (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
• A note to the closer: as the nominator, given the NPOL consideration per CFA, I think a Stubify close would be considered inline with my TNT nomination. No opposition to that ATD, as it were. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep We shouldn't delete the Wikipedia page on Hikmat Zaid. He's a key political figure, and plenty of pages exist about less important people. If the article needs workᅳlike if it reads too much like it was written by a botᅳlet's just fix it, rather than remove it. This page actually has value in allowing people to understand current politics a little better. Let's work on improving this, not deleting it.

Drake Thompson (talk) 16:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment I began process of trimming down the thread starting with the lead. Can check preview here. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Hikmat_Zaid&diff=prev&oldid=1240506350 Drake Thompson (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Update Reworked lead, early life and education and early political career sections. Wouldn't mind some help with the rest if anyone is interested (: Drake Thompson (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment Reworked Rise to power section Drake Thompson (talk) 20:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and improve balance if needed. FourPi (talk) 12:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I reworked the entire article, all sections were removed and replaced with different text. I believe the article should be reviewed again and its removal should be revoked. Drake Thompson (talk) 00:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Drake Thompson: please strike this, your second !vote, as you've already !voted once. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as clearly notable per NPOL, and the notability grounds are reliably supported (whether they were at the time of commencing this discussion, I don't know). Also just to remind that deletion is not cleanup. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.