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The article states that Varo never divorced Gerardo Lizárraga (who died in 1982) and also that she married Walter Gruen in 1952. How is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Лудольф (talk • contribs) 09:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Varo during the Spanish Civil War

There's no info on what exactly she did or how long she spent in Spain with Esteban Francés. Like, we get info on how she was imprisoned during WWII but nothing on the civil war other than "she left to fight then returned"?
Was hoping to find more info by looking at Esteban's bio, but it says nothing on wether he went to fight, only that he fled the war.
As a side note, kinda funny how it was WWII that left her a "significant psychological scar" (uncited, of course!) and not whatever went down in Spain </sarcasm>
78.30.21.199 (talk) 15:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citation rewording

While Varo did not deem her own work as feminist, “her work stretches the limits of and directly challenges confabulated, patriarchal ideals of femininity.”
Shouldn't this mention who's being cited for that or wether it's actually a commonly held belief? Same for the "One critic states:" part later on
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+== Contradiction ==
-{{ course assignment | course = Education Program:Muhlenberg College/Women and Art (Fall 2014) | term = Fall 2014 }}
-=Planned Edits=
-===Lead===
-It needs to be made more concise and shorter. Move certain information into other sections. Also sentences need to be reworked to fix the prose. I would not specifically add anything to this section but rather remove proses.
-=== Early Life===
-Specifically add from Zamora about her birth and her life in Spain and her moving to Madrid at age 17 to study art at the Academia de San Fernando. Talk about her moving to Paris for the Year, marrying  her husband. Use the citation from Zamora.
-===Formative Years===
-Talk specifically about her life in Paris when she moved there with her husband after he fled Spain because he was an anarchist. Explain because her move to France she became involved with the Surrealist circle there. Also explain her strong connection with mysticism, animalistic faith and her connection to nature, this was apart of her formative years. Cite Kaplan
-===Career beginnings/ Early artistic life===
-Explain her move to France. Her early works in France and describe the works. Use Hayes to cite. Explain her move to Mexico and her strong influences during her time in Mexico
-===Career===
-Europe- Explain and decipher between her two times in France, the year by herself and the time she lived there with her husband. Explain any of the influence that Europe had on her. Use Kaplan and Zamora.
-Mexico- This is a crucial part that needs to be added. I needs to be explained that in the late 40s early 50s she became known in Mexico. Did not resume painting until 3 years after settling and did not exhibit work for another for another 9 . In the beginning she worked as a commercial artist to absorb Mecicos culture. He works are extremely well-know in Mexico and not the rest of the world
-===Major Influence===
-Philosophical influence- Needs to talk about her connection with nature and her animalist faiths that influence her. Also, explain how surrealism is engrained in male perspective and she was influenced by presenting females strongly.
-===Interpretation of Work===
-Explain the symbolism found in her specific artwork. Also, explain how she depicts herself in many of her works. She Painted herself symbolically in pictures, heart shaped face, almond eyes, and long nose ( didn’t matter if it was male of female). Cite Kaplan
-===Varo Legacy===
-Add  more  information about the retrospective exhibition with more than 50 works of hers at that National Museum of Women in the Arts.  Explain how all of the works of Varo are in a private collection, and most of the legacy is in Mexico and not really exposed to outside of Mexico because of how private the paintings are held. Cite Zamora, Kaplan
-===Selected List of works===
-Talk about Mimesis 1960 in detail use picture Unexpected Presence, Celeestial Pablum, Leaving the Pyschoanalyst, Exploration of the Sources of the Orinoco Rive, Solar Music, Harmony, Still Life Reviving. Cite Kaplan
-===Sources for Edits===
-Hayne, Deborah J. “The Art of Remedios Varo: Issues of Gender Ambiguity and Religious Meaning.” Woman's Art Journal, Vol. 16, No. 1 (Spring - Summer, 1995), pp. 26-32. Woman’s Art Inc. (Accessed  10.2307/1358627). http://www.jstor.org/stable/1358627.
-Kaplan, Janet A. “Remedios Varo.” Feminist Studies, Vol. 13, No. 1 (Spring, 1987), pp. 38-48. Feminist Studies, Inc. DOI: 10.2307/3177834, http://www.jstor.org/stable/3177834
-Kaplan, Janet A. “ Remedios Varo: Voyages and Visions.” Woman's Art Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Autumn, 1980 - Winter, 1981), pp. 13-18. Woman’s Art Inc. (accessed 10.2307/1358078) http://www.jstor.org/stable/1358078
-Zamora, Lois Parkinson. “The Magical Tables of Isabel Allende and Remedios Varo” Comparative Literature, Vol. 44, No. 2 (Spring, 1992), pp. 113-143. Duke University Press/University of Oregon (Accessed 10.2307/1770341), http://www.jstor.org/stable/1770341
-[[User:Jengoldberg315|Jengoldberg315]] ([[User talk:Jengoldberg315|talk]]) 19:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
-:The edits you suggest are good. I would think about some other, smaller things too.
-* Like you said the introduction section is way too long, it also seems to have a lot of unnecessary and/or misplaced information. I would clean that up a lot.
-* There are two places that are cited as her place of birth. One in the article itself and another in the basic information under the title picture.
-* In the early life section some information is repeated, make sure everything is said only once or it gets tedious to read.
-* some of the internal wikipedia links don't actually have articles for example - Josep-Lluis Florit. Check these just in case.
-* I would add more pictures. This is an article about an artist I would like to see some examples of her art if possible.
-* If possible adding some of the English titles of her works might be nice. I for one don't know Spanish and I think the title of a piece often says a lot about it.
-[[User:SarahBatya|SarahBatya]] ([[User talk:SarahBatya|talk]]) 16:26, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
-I think that you made wonderful edits to the article. I see your attention to cleaning up the format of the article in general, I think that the article is separated into helpful sections between the difference parts of her life. I think that the information that was added was helpful and lacking prior to the edits. Though intonation on Varo may be somewhat challenging to gather I believe you organized it and integrated it into the article beautifully. [[User:SFerbank|SFerbank]] ([[User talk:SFerbank|talk]]) 17:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
-==Remedios Varo Uranga vs. Remedios Varo==
-I have searched high and low for another example where Remedios Varo is referred to as Remedios Varo Uranga.  The only other place I found this usage was at artnet.com, which is not a definitive source.  None of the official biographies I have seen use the name Uranga.  Uranga was her mother's name, so it is possible for her to be referred to colloquially as Remedios Varo y Uranga, but that is not how she referred to herself, nor was it her official name.  Remedios Varo signed her letters and paintings as Remedios Varo.  As you can see, [http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l191/remediosvaro/varo_passport.jpg here], the name on her passport is Remedios Varo. One of the better known experts on her work, Whitney Chadwick, refers to her only as Remedios Varo in her book, "Women Artists and the Surrealist Movement". I am open to the possibility that Varo reclaimed her mother's name at some point, but I cannot find any evidence of or reference to that fact. If someone knows of such evidence, please contact me and I will put Uranga                back at the end of her name.  For now, I am removing it.--[[User:Axiomatica|Axiomatica]] 23:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
-I read in "unexpected journeys" by Janet Kaplan and the "reasoned Catalogue" (which covers her           entire work, that her name was María de los Remedios Varo y Uranga
-Many non-Spanish-speakers do not realize that [[Spanish naming customs]] are quite different than most other European systems. In Spanish-speaking countries, you have two surnames: your father's and your mother's, and you don't change surnames when you marry. It's not a question of "reclaiming" or not. Some people make a point of saying and writing both names always, some leave the second (maternal) surname off but for brevity they still obviously have one. For instance, Penélope Cruz' full name is Penélope Cruz Sánchez, but neither form is incorrect. The convention throughout Wikipedia seems to be to show just the paternal surname in the article title, but to use the full name in its first use in the article.[[User:Danfeder|Danfeder]] ([[User talk:Danfeder|talk]]) 21:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
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-"Unexpected Journeys" was originally published in 1988, not 2000. [[User:12.73.220.243|12.73.220.243]] 19:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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-I find this pasage:
-"In Mexico, she came under the influence of the primitive art of pre-Columbian cultures"
-to be racist. Using the term primitive in reference to native peoples is both false and ofensive.
-[[User:Zigbigadoorlue|Zigbigadoorlue]] 06:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
-<blockquote>
-The word "primitive" has been removed.--[[User:Axiomatica|Axiomatica]] 23:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
-</blockquote>
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-The sections 'Interpretations to her body of work' and 'Varo's legacy' do not cite any sources and seem to make several assumptions without illustrating any real proof. In particular, the 'Varo's legacy' section devolves into a social critique on the role of women in surrealism and art history, going far off-topic without including any sources or citations. Clearly a lot of subjective personal opinion has made it's way into this article.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.10.11.217|173.10.11.217]] ([[User talk:173.10.11.217|talk]]) 21:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+The article states that Varo never divorced Gerardo Lizárraga (who died in 1982) and also that she married Walter Gruen in 1952.  How is this possible?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Лудольф|Лудольф]] ([[User talk:Лудольф#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Лудольф|contribs]]) 09:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==Anarchism==
-The first line of this entry makes reference to Varo being an "anarchist" but does not cite this or explain further. It deserves both.  [[User:Danfeder|Danfeder]] ([[User talk:Danfeder|talk]]) 21:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
+== Varo during the Spanish Civil War ==
-== No citations ==
+There's no info on what exactly she did or how long she spent in Spain with Esteban Francés. Like, we get info on how she was imprisoned during WWII but nothing on the civil war other than "she left to fight then returned"?<br>
-While this page is well written and includes a number of fairly serious looking sources, it contains absolutely no citations, and reads like original research. This page seriously needs to be overhauled.
+Was hoping to find more info by looking at Esteban's bio, but it says nothing on wether he went to fight, only that he fled the war.<br>
+As a side note, kinda funny how it was WWII that left her a "significant psychological scar" (uncited, of course!) and not whatever went down in Spain </sarcasm> <br>
+[[Special:Contributions/78.30.21.199|78.30.21.199]] ([[User talk:78.30.21.199|talk]]) 15:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
+== Citation rewording ==
-[[Special:Contributions/76.78.119.38|76.78.119.38]] ([[User talk:76.78.119.38|talk]]) 01:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
+''While Varo did not deem her own work as feminist, “her work stretches the limits of and directly challenges confabulated, patriarchal ideals of femininity.”''<br>
+Shouldn't this mention who's being cited for that or wether it's actually a commonly held belief? Same for the "''One critic states:''" part later on<br>
+[[Special:Contributions/78.30.21.199|78.30.21.199]] ([[User talk:78.30.21.199|talk]]) 15:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
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-It is interesting that she was born not far in time and space from Dalí and both were some of a surrogate for a deceased sibling. --[[User:Error|Error]] ([[User talk:Error|talk]]) 22:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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