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Can we just settle his manner of death once and for all???

Chilean courts repeatedly ruled his death as a suicide, after two autopsies of his body clearly showed that he died by suicide. His family had also long accepted that he died by suicide, and mentioned that he had suggested the possibility of taking himself out days before the coup. And yes, he did have an AK-47 and carried it around in several pictures. He even said in his last speech that those were his "últimas palabras". He planned to do it. ^[1]^[2]^[3] David Jiang (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "Chilean court confirms Allende suicide - CNN.com". Edition.cnn.com. Retrieved 2012-09-12.
^ "BBC News - Chile inquiry confirms President Allende killed himself". Bbc.co.uk. 2011-07-19. Retrieved 2012-09-12.
^ "Admite hija de Allende suicidio de su padre". El Universal (in Spanish). Mexico City, Mexico. August 17, 2003. Archived from the original on October 14, 2012.

The manner of his death was self-sacrifice. He choose to die to save his family- Pinochet had offered a plane to fly President Allende and his family out of the country, but Allende knew that, if he was on the plane, it would be shot down and his family wiped out- there was a recording of Pinochet, from that day saying this was his plan. Salvador Allende choose to sacrifice himself to protect his wife and children- it was heroism, and should not be implied to be cowardice, or admission of failure or wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:603:4E00:AD10:F813:3B23:1ACB:F7F4 (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged CIA coup backing

Describing the 1973 Chilean coup as "CIA backed" exaggerates the CIA's role. 2600:1700:19E0:36C0:152D:2060:20CE:1482 (talk) 07:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not only that, but the CIA played no role in organizing or orchestrating the coup in the first place Kingllama100 (talk) 04:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is false https://nacla.org/remembering-chile-coup-50 Genabab (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously you buried the fact that he died under "coup"?!

wth wiki 208.98.223.47 (talk) 01:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The page for Kennedy should be used as a template to avoid bias

That is, there should be a heading titled "assassination". 208.98.223.47 (talk) 01:26, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Real Wages

The article states:

"Although the acceleration of inflation in 1972 and 1973 eroded part of the initial increase in wages, they still rose (on average) in real terms during the 1971–73 period."

According to the published paper in a development econ journal cited at various points in this very article (DOI: 10.1257/jep.21.1.169), which is also the source of the graph showing wage growth in real--not nominal terms--this is simply not true. I think this sentence should be removed from the article. Anthonyrolandb (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Chilean court confirms Allende suicide - CNN.com". Edition.cnn.com. Retrieved 2012-09-12.

[2] "BBC News - Chile inquiry confirms President Allende killed himself". Bbc.co.uk. 2011-07-19. Retrieved 2012-09-12.

[Allende-3] "Admite hija de Allende suicidio de su padre". El Universal (in Spanish). Mexico City, Mexico. August 17, 2003. Archived from the original on October 14, 2012.

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-== The weapon ==
-Why does both articles [[Salvador Allende]] and [[Death of Salvador Allende]] says that he shot himself with an [[AK-47]]? that weapon is obviously incorrect. Allende's weapon was a AKMS, a underfolding stock variant of the [[AKM]].
-https://www.flickr.com/photos/leopoldovictorvargas/29247078691
-https://twitter.com/desde_1965/status/1330097873963413507?lang=zh-Hant [[User:ColorfulSmoke|ColorfulSmoke]] ([[User talk:ColorfulSmoke|talk]]) 13:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
-:most sources say it was a AK-47. If you find sources saying otherwise then add them. Twitter and Flickr posts are obviously not acceptable [[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 15:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
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+The manner of his death was self-sacrifice. He choose to die to save his family- Pinochet had offered a plane to fly President Allende and his family out of the country, but Allende knew that, if he was on the plane, it would be shot down and his family wiped out- there was a recording of Pinochet, from that day saying this was his plan.  Salvador Allende choose to sacrifice himself to protect his wife and children- it was heroism, and should not be implied to be cowardice, or admission of failure or wrong.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:603:4E00:AD10:F813:3B23:1ACB:F7F4|2601:603:4E00:AD10:F813:3B23:1ACB:F7F4]] ([[User talk:2601:603:4E00:AD10:F813:3B23:1ACB:F7F4#top|talk]]) 21:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 == Alleged CIA coup backing ==
 Describing the 1973 Chilean coup as "CIA backed" exaggerates the CIA's role. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:19E0:36C0:152D:2060:20CE:1482|2600:1700:19E0:36C0:152D:2060:20CE:1482]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:19E0:36C0:152D:2060:20CE:1482|talk]]) 07:16, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
+:Not only that, but the CIA played no role in organizing or orchestrating the coup in the first place [[User:Kingllama100|Kingllama100]] ([[User talk:Kingllama100|talk]]) 04:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
+::This is false https://nacla.org/remembering-chile-coup-50 [[User:Genabab|Genabab]] ([[User talk:Genabab|talk]]) 14:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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 That is, there should be a heading titled "assassination". [[Special:Contributions/208.98.223.47|208.98.223.47]] ([[User talk:208.98.223.47|talk]]) 01:26, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
+== Real Wages ==
+The article states:
+"Although the acceleration of inflation in 1972 and 1973 eroded part of the initial increase in wages, they still rose (on average) in real terms during the 1971–73 period."
+According to the published paper in a development econ journal cited at various points in this very article (DOI: 10.1257/jep.21.1.169), which is also the source of the graph  showing wage growth in real--not nominal terms--this is simply not true. I think this sentence should be removed from the article. [[User:Anthonyrolandb|Anthonyrolandb]] ([[User talk:Anthonyrolandb|talk]]) 20:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)