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The result was delete‎ due to lack of significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. RL0919 (talk) 21:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ivana Knöll

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Coverage of this model is entirely limited to tabloid news, which is not WP:SIGCOV under WP:SBST, and to primary sources. ~~She appears to promote herself as Miss Croatia,~~ but she was a 2016 finalist, not the pageant winner. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and Croatia. Shellwood (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, Fashion, Football, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Germany, and Florida. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 18:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. WP:BLP1E at best for getting photographed for the tabloids at the 2022 World Cup. That, and some gossip about a recent relationship, is all I can find about her online. Her business doesn't meet WP:CORP, and being an also-ran in Miss Croatia doesn't meet WP:NMODEL. Wikishovel (talk) 17:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: I was intrigued by your comment that she promotes herself as Miss Croatia while not having won the pageant, which seems slightly extreme, so I did some more research on this topic (and her biography in general; noting that I participated in the shwiki AfD and !voted delete), and it seems that she doesn't do that. Some sources, not her, incorrectly reported that she was Miss Croatia. So it probably isn't fair to her to make such a statement about her (without evidence).—Alalch E. 20:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E. Perhaps I misread the tabloid coverage. Thanks for the correction; I'll strike my previous comment. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971, GiantSnowman, and Wikishovel: I've been doing some work on this article. Irrespective of your !votes, what do you think about its educational value?—Alalch E. 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article is much-improved (thanks!), but I still think it's a case of WP:BLP1E and tabloid coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks for the work you've put in on this, but I have to agree with Dclemens1971. Wikishovel (talk) 17:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. Giant Snowman 14:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above comments.—Alalch E. 15:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(with the exception that BLP1E does not apply because the person is not a low-profile individual) —Alalch E. 15:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+The result was '''delete'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ due to lack of [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] to meet [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:RL0919|RL0919]] ([[User talk:RL0919|talk]]) 21:29, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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-Coverage of this model is entirely limited to tabloid news, which is not [[WP:SIGCOV]] under  [[WP:SBST]], and to primary sources. She appears to promote herself as Miss Croatia, but she was [https://www.miss.hr/Izbor-Miss-Hrvatske/Izbor-2016/Finalistice-2016 a 2016 finalist], not the pageant winner. Fails [[WP:GNG]], [[WP:NBIO]]. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
+Coverage of this model is entirely limited to tabloid news, which is not [[WP:SIGCOV]] under  [[WP:SBST]], and to primary sources. {{Strikethrough|She appears to promote herself as Miss Croatia,}} but she was [https://www.miss.hr/Izbor-Miss-Hrvatske/Izbor-2016/Finalistice-2016 a 2016 finalist], not the pageant winner. Fails [[WP:GNG]], [[WP:NBIO]]. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 17:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women|Women]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Croatia|Croatia]]. [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 18:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Businesspeople|Businesspeople]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women|Women]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fashion|Fashion]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football|Football]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bosnia and Herzegovina|Bosnia and Herzegovina]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Germany|Germany]],  and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Florida|Florida]]. '''[[User:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">WC</span>''<span style="color:#999933">Quidditch</span>'']]''' [[User talk:Wcquidditch|<span style="color:red">☎</span>]] [[Special:Contribs/Wcquidditch|<span style="color:#999933">✎</span>]] 18:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 18:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Delete''' - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 18:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per nomination. [[WP:BLP1E]] at best for getting photographed for the tabloids at the 2022 World Cup. That, and some gossip about a recent relationship, is all I can find about her online. Her business doesn't meet WP:CORP, and being an also-ran in Miss Croatia doesn't meet WP:NMODEL. [[User:Wikishovel|Wikishovel]] ([[User talk:Wikishovel|talk]]) 17:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+*{{ping|Dclemens1971}} I was intrigued by your comment that she promotes herself as Miss Croatia while not having won the pageant, which seems slightly extreme, so I did some more research on this topic (and her biography in general; noting that I participated in the [[:sh:Wikipedija:Članci za brisanje/Arhiva 1#Ivana Knöll|shwiki AfD]] and !voted delete), and it seems that she doesn't do that. Some sources, not her, incorrectly reported that she was Miss Croatia. So it probably [[WP:BLP|isn't fair to her]] to make such a statement about her (without evidence).—[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 20:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
+*:@[[User:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] Perhaps I misread the tabloid coverage. Thanks for the correction; I'll strike my previous comment. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 20:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
+*{{ping|Dclemens1971|GiantSnowman|Wikishovel}} I've been doing some work on this article. Irrespective of your !votes, what do you think about its educational value?—[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 12:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
+*:The article is much-improved (thanks!), but I still think it's a case of [[WP:BLP1E]] and tabloid coverage. [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]] ([[User talk:Dclemens1971|talk]]) 12:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::Yes, thanks for the work you've put in on this, but I have to agree with Dclemens1971. [[User:Wikishovel|Wikishovel]] ([[User talk:Wikishovel|talk]]) 17:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::Ditto. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 14:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' per above comments.—[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 15:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
+*:(with the exception that BLP1E does not apply because the person is not a low-profile individual) —[[User talk:Alalch E.|Alalch E.]] 15:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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