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== brutish or british? ==

In the character section a Hitler youth instructor is described as "British" this seems unlikely for a Hitler youth instructor during the second world war. Later, in the page the same character is described as "brutish". I have therefore assumed "British" was a typo and changed it to "brutish". Sorry for any confusion caused. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Llewee|contribs]]) 13:53, 14 September 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{ping|Llewee}} You were right. Sorry about my revert. I wish you a good day :) --[[User:Mazewaxie|<strong><span style="color: #606060;">Mazewaxie</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:Mazewaxie|<span style=" color: #606060;">talk</span>]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Mazewaxie|<span style="color: #606060;">contribs</span>]]) 14:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

== RfC notice ==

There is a [[WP:RFC|request for comment]] whose outcome may affect this article: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films]]. [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 16:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


== Cast Order ==

According to the official website [http://www.foxsearchlight.com/jojorabbit/ Thomasin McKenzie] has second billing and Scarlett Johannson has last billign, but for some unknown reason an anonymous Wikipedian [[70.60.134.214]] has [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&oldid=917740378 just decided] that Waititi deserves second billing and ScarJo deserves third billing. Can we get a consensus on what the proper authority for the cast order is? The official Fox Searchlight website for the film or a random anonymous Wikipedian's no reason given edit? [[User:Kire1975|Kire1975]] ([[User talk:Kire1975|talk]]) 07:44, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

== Country of production ==

With regards to DiscoSlasher's recent edits, I still feel that it is an American production. (Especially with the distributor/production company behind it, Fox Searchlight) And while yes, the distributors behind it are from CR/NZ, that doesn't necessarily mean they are the countries of production. For instance, ''Anomalisa'' was co-produced by the British film company Hanway Films, but the British Film Institute solely lists it as an American production. Also, this site from CR doesn't mention that country as the country of production for this.<ref>https://www.filmcommission.cz/film/jojo-rabbit/</ref> Anyone has any points to bring up regarding this? [[User:Daerl|Daerl]] ([[User talk:Daerl|talk]]) 23:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
:I have worked though the sources and while those that corroborate the US as a "country of origin" check out the others do not. A bit of location filming in Prague does not make this a Czech film. Nor does the nationality of the director-writer make it a New Zealand film. There is quite a bit of [[WP:Original research]] going on here. The nationality of the film needs to be explicitly sourced per [[Template:Infobox film]]. In regards to the production companies ''[https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/jojo-rabbit-review-taiki-waititi-1203328083/ Variety]'' clearly states it is "a Fox Searchlight Pictures, TSG Entertainment, Piki Films, Defender Films production". That implies those four companies are the production companies. If this is incorrect then we need a source based rationale to that effect. Removing information from the article simply because you disagree with a reliable source is not in accordance with Wikipedia policy. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 16:26, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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== Production companies and country of origin ==

{{u|DiscoSlasher}} has repeatedly [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=921351746&oldid=921319653 reinstated edits] that are not corroborated by the sources in the article. They also so far refused to join the discussion above. I am going to outline the problematic nature of the edits here:

* The removal of Fox Searchlight Pictures as a production company – The [https://variety.com/2019/film/reviews/jojo-rabbit-review-taiki-waititi-1203328083/ Variety source] in the article used to source the production companies states the following: "''A Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures release of a '''Fox Searchlight Pictures, TSG Entertainment, Piki Films, Defender Films production'''.''" Four companies are clearly given. DiscoSlasher has repeatedly removed Fox Searchlight, leaving the other three companies in the article with source. This is selective editing. It is very difficult to follow the logic due to the fact that Discoslasher refuses to discuss his edits.
* The removal of the United States as "country of origin" and replacing it with New Zealand and the Czech Republic.As wth the production company, selectively removing sourced content is extremely problematic. Let's briefly consider the sources used by the article:
# United States – [https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/jojo-rabbit-toronto-review/5142722.article ScreenDaily] is a reputable source and states the key details as "''Dir: Taika Waititi. US. 2019. 108mins''". Therefore the source corroborates the claim that this is an American film.
# New Zealand – [https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/115792134/the-real-kiwi-story-behind-taika-waititis-jojo-rabbit Stuff] profiles the Kiwi director-writer of the film. It does not provide any production information about the film, and it certainly does not say it is a New Zealand production. If films drew their national identity from their directors then that would make all Hitchcock's films British, all David Lean's films British and so on
# Czech Republic – [https://news.expats.cz/weekly-czech-news/prague-lensed-anti-hate-satire-jojo-rabbit-features-hitler-as-a-shy-boys-imaginary-friend/ Expats.cz] discusses the filming in Prague. Lots of films have location shooting but that doesn't make them a production of that country. The new James Bond film is being shot in Jamaica but that won't make it a Jamaican film.
:Discoslasher is applying [[WP:Original research]] to the subject of "country of production". None of the sources he provides corrborate that the film is a New Zealand or Czech production, and he is repeatedly removing the one accurately sourced country. [[Template:Infobox film]] has specific guidelines for collating this information, and it is clear that the country of production must explicitly sourced.

This disruptive editing has been going on for a week now. The problem with these edits was first pointed by {{u|Daerl}} and now by me. It is very difficult to resolve the issue when one of the parties refuses to engage in discussion. If other sources can be found to corroborate the information Discoslasher keeps trying to add to the article then they can be considered. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 09:28, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Granted "country of origin" for creative works is ill-defined, but it should be uncontentious to claim that this film is a US/NZ/CZ work. The [https://ui.eidr.org/view/content?id=10.5240/63B7-C3A7-FD84-3A03-F58D-1 EIDR] record gives the following associated orgs: [http://www.czechangloproductions.cz Czech Anglo Productions], (CZ) [https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/6069889 Piki Films] (NZ), [https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1266527 Defender Films] (NZ) and [http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no97017572.html Fox Searchlight] (US). While the Screen Daily [https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/jojo-rabbit-toronto-review/5142722.article source] for "Country" in the infobox states "Dir: Taika Waititi. US. 2019. 108mins" further down it explicitly describes the film as being produced by Defender and Piki (both New Zealand companies), and distributed by Disney. (Perhaps the use of "US" here is to note the distributor not the author/maker/producer?) The [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384/companycredits?ref_=tt_dt_co IMDb production details page] is also a good source, listing NZ and Czech Republic production companies, and Fox Searchlight as a distributor. Suggest adjust page to reference these sources and replace "Jojo Rabbit is a 2019 American satirical black comedy [...]" with "Jojo Rabbit is a 2019 US/New Zealand/Czech Republic satirical black comedy [...]" [[User:Quilt Phase|Quilt Phase]] ([[User talk:Quilt Phase|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 01:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It's worth noting {{u|DiscoSlasher}} was blocked on 18th October for being a sockpuppet. [[User:Quilt Phase|Quilt Phase]] ([[User talk:Quilt Phase|talk]]) 02:48, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

::One other source I missed is IMDb's Detail/Country section notes Country as [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2584384 Czech Republic and New Zealand.] [[User:Quilt Phase|Quilt Phase]] ([[User talk:Quilt Phase|talk]]) 23:08, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

:::The authoritative source is the billing block ([[one sheet]]) on the official poster as seen [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDtJJv0U0AM2Wg1.jpg:large here]. It says "Fox Searchlight Pictures presents a Defender and Piki Film production". Presents means the distributor which is Fox Searchlight Pictures". The production companies are Defender and Piki Film. A US company was not involved in making the film, just distributing it. It is not an American produced film. The production companies are from New Zealand. A Czech company was not mentioned in the billing block – it appears only Czech involvement was financial incentives and filming location, no creative involvement in actually making the film. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 00:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

:It clearly is contentious if you are using the information provided by Screen International to arrive at a different "country of origin" than they do. You are engaging in [[WP:Original research]]. Many different factors go into determining the nationality of a film, as outlined at [[Template:Infobox_film#Country]]: "''defining the nationality of a film is a complex task. There are no widely accepted international or even European definitions of the criteria to be used to determine the country of origin of a film. This is both a legal and a statistical problem. It is enlightening to compare the lists provided by the different national sources that we use: countries involved in a joint production are not always indicated (even when the main coproducer is from another country). Different national records – and the statistics on which they are based – can show the same film as having a whole range of nationalities.''" Simply put the "country of origin" should be treated like any other citable claim on Wikipedia: it should be backed up by a source that explicitly makes such a claim. Screen International states the film's "county of origin" as "US", so that is the ascribed nationality from that source. Your [https://ui.eidr.org/view/content?id=10.5240/63B7-C3A7-FD84-3A03-F58D-1 Eidr source] lists the "countries of origin as "US" and "DE" (i.e. United States and Germany) so not even your own source backs up the position this is a Czech or New Zealand film. If other sources credit the Czech Republic or New Zealand as countries of origin they can be added with the appropriate sources. For the record, IMDb is not a reliable source per [[WP:RS/IMDB]]. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 02:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
::The Screen International source attached to the country of origin in the infobox does ''not'' state that United States is the country of origin. It say the film is a Fox Searchlight offering and lists production companies as Defender, Piki Films. This matches the billing block information. There is no explicit statement of country of origin, all that is left is the nationality of the production companies and the presenting company. Presented by an American company, produced by two New Zealand companies. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 02:39, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
:::The Screen International source gives the key details as "''Dir: Taika Waititi. '''US'''. 2019. 108mins"'', therefore the country of origin or nationality or whatever you want to call it is "US" according to their criteria. That is simply how they format the information. The production companies from the credits are not relevant here. Companies can provide production services in many different forms, ranging from minor to major involvement, and they are just one factor out of many in determining a film's nationality. For example, under UK law a film must meet a set of complex criteria to be classified as British. That is why it is essential to have a source that ascribes the nationality/country of origin. Wikipedia editors creating deducing nationalities from their own interpretation of the film credits is classic original research. Even the [https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/jojo-rabbit-taika-waititi-hitler-comedy-laughing-at-fascism British Film Institute] state the film's country of origin as "Germany/USA". So out of three credible sources two state the country of origin to be US/Germany while another just the US. On the basis of that it would be improper for Wikiedpa to omit the US as a country of origin and there is now a strong case for including Germany. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 03:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC) g
:::: [[WP:Original research]], IMDb and EIDR points taken, [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] . Much as I agree with you, [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]], how I wish the world was does not make it so. It may be that there is a reliable source out there that states the film's nationality and/or country of origin is not solely the USA. (How Germany came to be a country of origin is intriguing, too.) [[User:Quilt Phase|Quilt Phase]] ([[User talk:Quilt Phase|talk]]) 04:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
::An update on this, but the film has finally appeared in the Lumiere database, and all three countries (US/CR/NZ) are listed as countries of production for the film. Pinging {{u|Betty Logan}}, {{u|Geraldo Perez}} and {{u|Quilt Phase}} who were also involved in this discussion, should I add this to the main page now that we have a source for all three countries?<ref>{{cite web|title=''Jojo Rabbit'' (2019)|url=http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=85055|website=[[LUMIERE]]|accessdate=July 9, 2020}}</ref>
:::LUMIERE is a good, solid source. I support adding the extra countries along with LUMIERE as the source. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 08:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Thanks {{u|Daerl}}. I support. [[User:Quilt Phase|Quilt Phase]] ([[User talk:Quilt Phase|talk]]) 08:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Humane treatment of animals? ==

Jojo Rabbit does not have a Humane Society "No animals were harmed" label. The American Humane Society does not list this film in its database:
http://www.humanehollywood.org/index.php/movie-reviews
I would like to have a public record of how the producers treated the animals in the film. Most prominently, an early scene portrays killing a rabbit. Did the actor actually kill that rabbit? How would we know? I would welcome suggestions about how to find an authoritative answer.

How about, no, weirdo? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/141.70.3.234|141.70.3.234]] ([[User talk:141.70.3.234#top|talk]]) 08:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::That's a nasty response, [[Special:Contributions/141.70.3.234|141.70.3.234]]. The above poster asked a legitimate and important question that you gave the back of your hand to. Bad job. [[User:Wordreader|Wordreader]] ([[User talk:Wordreader|talk]]) 23:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

== Wait, this isn't a Wes Anderson movie? ==

If it's not, it oughta be. <span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 03:29, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== Genre ==

Several times now the genre in the lead has been changed: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=933601767&oldid=933565916]. The accompanying sources categorise it as Comedy/drama film, with the [https://bbfc.co.uk/releases/jojo-rabbit-2019 BBFC] explicitly stating "JOJO RABBIT is a comedy drama...". Rotten Tomatoes also states the following: "JOJO RABBIT, a World War II satire...".

[[WP:FILMLEAD]] requires that only the primary genre or sub-genre is included in the lead. We basically have two choices here: the primary genre is "comedy-drama film", while the sub-genre is "satirical war film" (note that the "comedy" is redundant in "satirical war comedy" because satires are comedies by definition). I am completely okay with either, but if a consensus could be formulated about which wording is preferred that would help to stabilise the article. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 16:55, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== [[Draft:Tama Tū]] ==
Help, how change the name of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tama_T%C5%AB this page] to '''''Tama Tū'''''? --[[User:Nonunblog|Nonunblog]] ([[User talk:Nonunblog|talk]]) 13:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

== Removal of the Guardian review? ==

The unusually negative (one star) Guardian review has been removed three times now, by one editor.

No clear reason has been given for this, other than accusations of sockpuppeting by {{u|Yallayallaletsgo}} (I see ''nothing'' to support that, and that is a disruptive allegation to make in such a manner), an implication that inclusion of this review is some vandalism so obvious that it can be reverted on sight, and finally an implication that other editors are too irrational to understand the wisdom of this unexplained removal.

# [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=937479549&oldid=937433955 ''" Manual revert of unhelpful blackwashing. User:Yallayallaletsgo's disruptive POV edits were at least intact for months before I read this article, but until what's already here is balanced out I think more negative content is probably unwelcome."'']
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=940030830&oldid=940030484 ''"Revert unexplained."'']
# [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=940040104&oldid=940036522 ''"I explained it in my edit summary. Please take it to the talk page if you believe that the current version of the article is lacking in "critical" (read: negative) reviews; honestly, I don't know how any rational Wikipedian could look at the current state of the article and not see the opposite."'']

As to why it belongs here, then I see it as a significant outlier for a film which has been widely acclaimed. Especially from a liberal, arts-focussed newspaper like ''[[The Guardian]]'', which both carries some weight in the UK for film reviews and would also be expected to applaud a film like this. Its relevance is more about the critical reception of the film than any basis for a critique of the film itself, within our article. Personally I'd already blogged about this review, because I saw it as bizarrely negative. Not quite as bad as the NYT one (to misunderstand Klenzendorf so badly, I wonder if he left the film halfway?), but still - an odd outlier. However the Guradian still carries weight in the UK for its film reviews and also (importantly for this article) it's the only place where ''[[The Tin Drum]]'' gets a mention. So yes, this review belongs.

See [[User talk:Andy Dingley#Out of curiosity]] for the start of this, and a further accusation of HOUNDing by the editor who is repeatedly removing it. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 11:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

:It's always going to be editorial preference as to ''which'' reviews of a larger set to sample in a Wikipedia article. In terms of balance, it helps to follow a rule of thumb. Metacritic is decent here since it can categorize reviews as positive, mixed, or negative. They sampled 57 reviews with 30 being positive, 20 being mixed, and 7 being negative. If this Wikipedia article samples 10 reviews, there should be only 1-2 negative reviews. This would be per [[WP:BALASP]] "to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject". So while ''The Guardian'' is valid, too many negative reviews would make it imbalanced. One could argue for swapping out negative reviews. For example, the ''Slant'' zero-star review is an outlier even in the set of negative reviews shown on Metacritic. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 14:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
:: Of those reviews, I liked the Bradshaw Guradian one as an example (although didn't agree with it), thought the Slant one had a good Ace Ventura line but was otherwise blandly WP:IDONTLIKEIT, the NYT felt like he hadn't even watched it and Little White Lies can't tell the difference between Germans, German soldiers and Nazis - which is a valid point, there's much in this film which goes near the "Good Wehrmacht / Evil Gestapo" over-simplification, but they're not getting it either. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 15:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

*''The Guardian'' is obviously a prominent newspaper, so I want to at least keep the two Guardian reviews. As long as we start out the review section by noting that 80% gave it a good review, we don't need to stick to exactly 80% positive reviews. People already know that 80% gave it a positive review. We should focus instead on giving a diversity of viewpoints from good newspapers. Please add back the reviews, especially from ''The Guardian''.[[User:MiscellaneousMarginalia|MiscellaneousMarginalia]] ([[User talk:MiscellaneousMarginalia|talk]]) 02:20, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
*:Rotten Tomatoes should not be used when we have Metacritic. RT is simplistic in labeling a review as positive or negative with no in-between. That makes it harder to apply [[WP:BALASP]]. Furthermore, saying a film has 90% good reviews and 10% bad reviews doesn't mean that there should be 1,000 words of positive reviews and 1,000 words of negative reviews. Of course we don't have to precisely match the preexisting percentages, but it should be close enough. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 13:37, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

== Syntax ==

"Joe Weintraub, Brian Caspe, Gabriel Andrews and Billy Rayner as Junker, Mueller, Klum and Frosch, the fellow agents of Deertz." Can we have a verb here, please? [[Special:Contributions/67.231.66.125|67.231.66.125]] ([[User talk:67.231.66.125|talk]]) 14:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 15:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


== Saving sources here, used later (maybe) ==
== Saving sources here, used later (maybe) ==
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'''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 02:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


== Dark Comedy? ==
== Removal of sources from the lead ==

Sources for the genre are being persistently [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jojo_Rabbit&diff=1007061895&oldid=1007061107 removed from the article] by {{u|Gerald Waldo Luis}}. The lead is not exempt from sourcing, and the genre is not currently sourced in the article. Any factual claim that is open to challenge needs to be explicitly sourced. [[MOS:CITELEAD]] makes it clear that claims in the lead are not exempt from this condition. Not only is the genre open to challenge it is actually one of the most persistently challenged claims in the article.

While there are many FA and GA rated film articles where the genre is not sourced this is largely down to the fact the genre is not controversial and is not challenged. Where this is not the case it is necessary to source it. The genre for a film like ''JoJo Rabbit'' is not straightforward and it could feasibly come under many different genres, and hence why it needs to be corroborated.

I don't quite know what the problem is here, and why the editor in question is determined to remove helpful sources from the article. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 08:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Betty Logan}}, apologies for the edit war. It's all really on how citations in leads make it cluttered; if you look at my editing history you'll know I'm not a fan of lead citations. That's why I removed it. But if it is for the greater good, then I'll not touch those citations. However, I think the first citation is already enough to back it up, and we don't need two. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 08:14, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::I think the second citation helps to strengthen the corroboration, but CITELEAD would be satisfied by just a single citation. If you wish to remove one of the citations I will not challenge that. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 08:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:::{{u|Betty Logan}}, noice! I've kept the RT citation. Again, apologies for the war. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 08:22, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
::::No hard feelings, we've ironed it out. [[User:Betty Logan|Betty Logan]] ([[User talk:Betty Logan|talk]]) 08:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

== Plot first sentence ==

{{u|Llewee}}, I hope you're willing to discuss about the edit disputes here. I think the sentence is already clear: following the word "Johannes "Jojo" Betzler" are two sentence fragments, one is an extension to "Johannes "Jojo" Betzler" and one is an extension to the extension, followed by a continuation of "Johannes "Jojo" Betzler". It doesn't state in any way that Adolf is the one joining the Jungvolk somehow. You edit also has some flaws, i.e. abbreviating WW2 without saying the full phrase, and using the incorrect term "JoJo". Generally I can correct those myself, but the major problem with your edit led me to reverting it as a whole. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 12:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

{{u|Gerald Waldo Luis}} Yes, I'm not claiming that it states that Adolf is joining the jungvolk I just feel that a sentence with that many clauses is a little confusing and could be miss interpreted. I am happy to correct the grammar problems you pointed out. [[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 12:34, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

If anyone has any objections to that please give them below, if none are given by Monday evening I will remake the edits to the plot with the changes {{u|Gerald Waldo Luis}} suggested. [[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 19:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Llewee}}, I don't think I did any suggestions. I just said that the status quo is already good. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 01:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

{{u|Gerald Waldo Luis}} The suggestions I referenced were the grammar issues you pointed out. More generally, I just don't understand why you are so determined to stop minor wording changes which will at best make the plot's opening sentence slightly more clear and at worst make virtually no difference at all. [[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 13:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

:{{u|Llewee}}, can you point out why the current is not clear? My concern is mainly that it adds up to the word counts, where the goal is to stay out of 700 words. I don't see how the current is unclear. There is a current PR on this article; feel free to put up suggestions there if you want to. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 15:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

==Merger proposal==
[[File:Merge-arrows.svg|50px|frameless|left]] [[Wikipedia:Proposed mergers#MERGE REQUESTS|Formal request has been received to merge]]: '''[[Jojo Rabbit (soundtrack)]]''' into '''[[Jojo Rabbit]]'''; dated: February 24, 2021. Proposer's Rationale: ''--- This article has no reason to have it's own, as there is enough space to place it in the original Jojo Rabbit article, as you can see in its Music subsection. It also has little things to say here. [[User:Gerald Waldo Luis |GeraldWL]]'' Discuss here. [[User:GenQuest|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;"><i>G</i>en<i>Q</i>uest</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:GenQuest|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;">"scribble"</span>]]</sup></small> 13:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose merge''' I don't think that this soundtrack article, which admittedly does need some work, could be fully merged without giving undue weight to the soundtrack. It's perfectly [[WP:SSEFAR|precedented]] to have a separate soundtrack article. ~ [[User:HAL333|<span style="background:red; color:white; padding:2px; border:1px solid red;">'''HAL'''</span>]][[User talk:HAL333|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px; border:1px solid red;">'''333'''</span>]] 19:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
* '''Comment:''' Only comment opposes merge; proposer {{ping|Gerald Waldo Luis}} may consider a [[wp:Bold|BOLD]] merge at this time. [[User:GenQuest|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;"><i>G</i>en<i>Q</i>uest</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:GenQuest|<span style="color:Purple; text-shadow:brown 0.1em 0.2em 0.1em;">"scribble"</span>]]</sup></small> 19:38, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
* '''Support merge''', as the [[Jojo Rabbit (soundtrack)|soundtrack article]] has only two paragraphs of text (besides the lede) compared to the four paragraphs already here in the Music section of [[Jojo Rabbit]]. There are 12 + 2 = 14 other songs listed over there that aren't here, and that's about it. The small marginal increase in volume here would hardly place [[WP:UNDUE|UNDUE]] emphasis on the soundtrack. <i>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:JohnFromPinckney|JohnFromPinckney]] ([[User talk:JohnFromPinckney|talk]])</i> 20:28, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

== RfC: A Wiktionary link for the word canard ==

I have never encountered the word "canard" before and assume that I'm not the only one. Is there a reason why it can't have a link to Wiktionary? [[User:Slightsmile|<span style="color: navy;">Slight</span>]][[User talk:Slightsmile|<i style="color: teal;">Smile</i>]] 01:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
* '''No''', seems quite reasonable and appropriate. <i>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:JohnFromPinckney|JohnFromPinckney]] ([[User talk:JohnFromPinckney|talk]])</i> 02:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. Like I've stated in my talk page at a thread by SS, ''canard'' is an actual English word with no complication or technical jargon that may merit a link. It's merely a foreign vocabulary for some, and does not need a Wiktionary link. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 10:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - There's no need for inclusion of a Wiktionary link, per Gerald Waldo Luis. [[User:Idealigic|Idealigic]] ([[User talk:Idealigic|talk]]) 13:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


Should we change the genre of the movie to black comedy-drama? It has a lot aspects of it. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:16D0:5410:A19D:613D:E1E2:D918|2600:1700:16D0:5410:A19D:613D:E1E2:D918]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:16D0:5410:A19D:613D:E1E2:D918|talk]]) 18:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. With all of GWL's legalizing, "foreign vocabulary for some" and "complicated to some" comes across as just a little bit snotty to be honest. He hasn't really given a reason for not allowing that word to have a Wiktionary link and I think it's deplorable that he would waste the community's time on such an innocuous edit. [[User:Slightsmile|<span style="color: navy;">Slight</span>]][[User talk:Slightsmile|<i style="color: teal;">Smile</i>]] 15:39, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' How about just linking to [[antisemitic canard]]? That would be more direct and encyclopedic. [[User:Erik|Erik]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Erik|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) <sup>([[Template:Reply to|ping me]])</sup> 16:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
::Works for me. I know it's late where GWL is so I'll just go ahead and make that change now. [[User:Slightsmile|<span style="color: navy;">Slight</span>]][[User talk:Slightsmile|<i style="color: teal;">Smile</i>]] 17:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
::Done and put this behind us. [[User:Slightsmile|<span style="color: navy;">Slight</span>]][[User talk:Slightsmile|<i style="color: teal;">Smile</i>]] 18:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' this solution. It's a rare-enough term, with a specific jargony meaning (and a lot of historical baggage). We should have something there to help readers. —<u>''[[User:Wingedserif|Wingedserif]]''</u> ([[User talk:Wingedserif|talk]]) 04:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


== Does this really fall under the "war film" genre? ==
== Terribly written ==


According to the [[war film]] Wikipedia entry, such a film is "concerned with warfare, typically about naval, air, or land battles, with combat scenes central to the drama". ''Jojo Rabbit'' is set during WWII, but doesn't really focus on warfare or battle scenes at all. I suggest that this film should simply be classified as a comedy-drama, or perhaps as an [[List of anti-war films|anti-war film]]. [[User:Zohariko1234|Zohariko1234]] ([[User talk:Zohariko1234|talk]]) 19:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
This article is awfully written, particularly the Production section. Needs major refinement. [[User:Edfilmsuk|Edfilmsuk]] ([[User talk:Edfilmsuk|talk]]) 01:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
:{{u|Edfilmsuk}}, maybe help fix it instead of criticizing it? This is Wikipedia, collaboration. I speak English as a second language, so that's expected. What I further expect is your help. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 06:16, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


== "he is seized by Soviet soldiers alongside Klenzendorf" ==
Would you like to point out examples of what needs improving? Specific sentences that need fixing?[[User:Crboyer|Crboyer]] ([[User talk:Crboyer|talk]]) 03:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)


I thought these were American Soldiers? American Flags? [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:11E2:CC00:9D95:7805:DE30:D2CC|2607:FEA8:11E2:CC00:9D95:7805:DE30:D2CC]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:11E2:CC00:9D95:7805:DE30:D2CC|talk]]) 18:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
It's just very flabby. I don't have time to overhaul it, but I've adjusted the most annoying sections. Perhaps I'm being harsh but it's just overly verbose. [[User:Edfilmsuk|Edfilmsuk]] ([[User talk:Edfilmsuk|talk]]) 11:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:59, 30 August 2024

Good articleJojo Rabbit has been listed as one of the Media and drama good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
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February 24, 2021Peer reviewReviewed
July 6, 2021Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 19, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Jojo Rabbit director Taika Waititi, a Polynesian Jew, also starred in the film as an imaginary Adolf Hitler?
Current status: Good article

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GeraldWL 02:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Comedy?

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Should we change the genre of the movie to black comedy-drama? It has a lot aspects of it. 2600:1700:16D0:5410:A19D:613D:E1E2:D918 (talk) 18:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Does this really fall under the "war film" genre?

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According to the war film Wikipedia entry, such a film is "concerned with warfare, typically about naval, air, or land battles, with combat scenes central to the drama". Jojo Rabbit is set during WWII, but doesn't really focus on warfare or battle scenes at all. I suggest that this film should simply be classified as a comedy-drama, or perhaps as an anti-war film. Zohariko1234 (talk) 19:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"he is seized by Soviet soldiers alongside Klenzendorf"

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I thought these were American Soldiers? American Flags? 2607:FEA8:11E2:CC00:9D95:7805:DE30:D2CC (talk) 18:28, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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