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"Far-right" in French politics (socialist country at the core) is the equivalent of moderate / republican in the USA. |
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This man isn't Far right at all but more like a republican Orthodox [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:4300:DCF0:0:0:0:6478|2601:644:4300:DCF0:0:0:0:6478]] ([[User talk:2601:644:4300:DCF0:0:0:0:6478|talk]]) 14:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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It is dishonest to simply translate the terms used in mostly left newspapers and medias to describe the political orientation in an article for English-speakers. [[Special:Contributions/210.3.237.106|210.3.237.106]] ([[User talk:210.3.237.106|talk]]) 01:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== Citation overkill == |
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Information from this article [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/17/french-reporter-infiltrates-campaign-of-far-right-presidential-candidate-eric-zemnour-france] could be included at our article. It is due weight. [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 15:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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I see a citation overkill in A and B notes on the start of the page. This makes me question; what the fuck is this? -'''[[User:Pallit-on|Pallit-on]]''' - [[user talk:Pallit-on|Say something]] - 14:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:Apparently this is the main source: [https://www.editionsgouttedor.com/single-post/au-cœur-du-z-un-journaliste-a-infiltré-la-campagne-d-éric-zemmour]. [[User:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">'''JBchrch'''</span>]] [[User_talk:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">talk</span>]] 15:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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So, i found even more unneccessary citations... -'''[[User:Pallit-on|Pallit-on]]''' - [[user talk:Pallit-on|Say something]] - 14:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC) |
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: Check the history of this page to understand the history of the debate. [[User:Munci|Munci]] ([[User talk:Munci|talk]]) 17:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Pallit-on|Pallit-on]] The bottom line is that someone needs to clean that up and retain only the most relevant refs, but no one has had the willpower to do so. Probably because it's been the most controversial aspect of this article and almost guaranteed to be [[WP:BRD|BRD]]'d. [[User:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">'''JBchrch'''</span>]] [[User_talk:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">talk</span>]] 17:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC) |
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== Organized interference with this article by the Zemmour campaign == |
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This article is being edited by members of a task force attached to the Zemmour campaign. Please see [[WP:VPM#WikiZedia: an organized influence operation at Wikipedia by the campaign of a candidate for French President]]. Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 21:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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: I think this campaign was largely focused on FrWiki, which his voting population is more likely to read. There has been comparatively relatively little disruption here. [[User:Hemiauchenia|Hemiauchenia]] ([[User talk:Hemiauchenia|talk]]) 21:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:I concur with @[[User:Hemiauchenia|Hemiauchenia]]. I took a look at this some weeks ago when I attempted a clean-up of the article, and I did not notice any suspicious activity. [[User:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">'''JBchrch'''</span>]] [[User_talk:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">talk</span>]] 23:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Manipulation of wikipedia by a French presidential candidate team]]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 20:49, 18 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::::Hi, sorry about my broken English. I tried to sum up the story here on meta: [[:m:Talk:Wikiproject:Antispam#Clandestine task force actively promoting Eric Zemmour's presidential campaign at Wikipedia]]. Best regards, - [[User:Bédévore|Bédévore]] <sup>[[User Talk:Bédévore|[knock knock]]]</sup> 16:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC) |
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With a book and over two dozen articles in the French press about it, this has become a notable topic on its own. I've added a section about the online influence campaign to the [[Reconquête#Online influence campaign|Reconquête]] article. Ideally, that would fit best in an article about the campaign committee, because that's where it all happened, but given that we don't have that article (yet?) it's not entirely clear whether it fits better at [[Reconquête]], or here. I would argue that the article about the political party is a better fit, but as long as it is included somewhere, I don't feel strongly about which article should host it. I do think that the "non-hosting" article should include a sentence or two about it, and point to the other one for more detail. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 02:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== COI tag (February 2022) == |
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see [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#WikiZedia:_an_organized_influence_operation_at_Wikipedia_by_the_campaign_of_a_candidate_for_French_President]] [[User:AFreshStart|AFreshStart]] ([[User talk:AFreshStart|talk]]) 23:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:I've removed the tag because this article does not have COI issues. I think that there is a better case for the COI tag on [[Reconquête]], which has been extensively edited by {{userlinks|Cheep}}, who is associated with the campaign. [[User:Hemiauchenia|Hemiauchenia]] ([[User talk:Hemiauchenia|talk]]) 23:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Fair enough. I was just thinking that there may have been issues with the version of this article on the French Wikipedia before it was translated onto the English Wikipedia, and that these may have been carried over. But I understand the reasoning for removing the COI tag. —[[User:AFreshStart|AFreshStart]] ([[User talk:AFreshStart|talk]]) 14:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
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"Far-right" in French politics (socialist country at the core) is the equivalent of moderate / republican in the USA. It is dishonest to simply translate the terms used in mostly left newspapers and medias to describe the political orientation in an article for English-speakers. 210.3.237.106 (talk) 01:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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Citation overkill
[edit]I see a citation overkill in A and B notes on the start of the page. This makes me question; what the fuck is this? -Pallit-on - Say something - 14:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
So, i found even more unneccessary citations... -Pallit-on - Say something - 14:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Check the history of this page to understand the history of the debate. Munci (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pallit-on The bottom line is that someone needs to clean that up and retain only the most relevant refs, but no one has had the willpower to do so. Probably because it's been the most controversial aspect of this article and almost guaranteed to be BRD'd. JBchrch talk 17:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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