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This is a noble and appreciated article on an important series of events for new music. It deserves a good proofread and further cleanup, I just dusted a few things that caught my eye and I didn't get all the way through.
This is a noble and appreciated article on an important series of events for new music. It deserves a good proofread and further cleanup, I just dusted a few things that caught my eye and I didn't get all the way through.


There is an ambiguous statement that needs attention from the original contributor: "Frustrated by the inaccessibility of contemporary composers and compositions at Stratford..." 'Inaccessibility' is a somewhat loaded term when discussing contemporary music. Were the young composers frustrated because they couldn't approach (access) the festival's featured composers for discourse? or because they couldn't relate to (access) the music they heard? or because the festival programming was not open (inaccessible) to truly modern composers and their music?
There is an ambiguous statement that needs attention from the original contributor: "Frustrated by the inaccessibility of contemporary composers and compositions at Stratford..." 'Inaccessibility' is a somewhat loaded term when discussing contemporary music. Were the young composers frustrated because they couldn't approach (access) the festival's featured composers for discourse? or because they couldn't relate to (access) the music they heard? or because the festival programming was not open to (accessible by) truly modern composers and their music?


-justcary
-justcary

I'm not directly involved with this article at the moment, but I was talking with Roger Reynolds about the ONCE festivals recently, and he mentioned this Stratford UNESCO Festival event in question. It wasn't "inaccessibility" in the sense that the music was difficult and avant-garde (etc...), but rather that when they (the proto-ONCE group composers) visited the Stratford festival, the featured composers at that festival could not be approached by outsiders due to the management. They were physically inaccessible - the visiting folks from Ann Arbor weren't allowed to talk to the elder visiting composers at Stratford...

But I agree that "inaccessible" should be removed, because of the associations with reception. It is confusing in the context of "new music" related article...

-Phembree <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Phembree|Phembree]] ([[User talk:Phembree|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Phembree|contribs]]) 05:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Please organize ==
* Please add references for all of the information described. Much of the text seems like it is lifted from a festival brochure or website.
* There's some paragraph in the lead that lists a bunch of artists in a photo, clearly a cut and paste from "Once upon a time in Ann Arbor" article.
* Article should focus on the history of the group, the formation of the ONCE festivals, major events from each festival, and the impact of the group in the art world.
* Needs an infobox, either Collective, convention/festival, or organization
* Needs information on who can be a member of ONCE, or is it only concerning the main artists?
* Each of the main participants can be grouped in one category such as Members. See MAIN template or link to expound on group positions.
* The detail of each specific work can go in the History section by year, or the individual artist's article. As prose, example. For the 1962 event, X presented Y which was about Z. (reception detail). X2 presented Y2, which was about Z.
* Needs timeline or chart of major festival gatherings. If it's an annual event, list dates, locations, participants, titles of their works.
-[[User:AngusWOOF|AngusWOOF]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF|talk]]) 20:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:45, 7 September 2024

This is a noble and appreciated article on an important series of events for new music. It deserves a good proofread and further cleanup, I just dusted a few things that caught my eye and I didn't get all the way through.

There is an ambiguous statement that needs attention from the original contributor: "Frustrated by the inaccessibility of contemporary composers and compositions at Stratford..." 'Inaccessibility' is a somewhat loaded term when discussing contemporary music. Were the young composers frustrated because they couldn't approach (access) the festival's featured composers for discourse? or because they couldn't relate to (access) the music they heard? or because the festival programming was not open to (accessible by) truly modern composers and their music?

-justcary

I'm not directly involved with this article at the moment, but I was talking with Roger Reynolds about the ONCE festivals recently, and he mentioned this Stratford UNESCO Festival event in question. It wasn't "inaccessibility" in the sense that the music was difficult and avant-garde (etc...), but rather that when they (the proto-ONCE group composers) visited the Stratford festival, the featured composers at that festival could not be approached by outsiders due to the management. They were physically inaccessible - the visiting folks from Ann Arbor weren't allowed to talk to the elder visiting composers at Stratford...

But I agree that "inaccessible" should be removed, because of the associations with reception. It is confusing in the context of "new music" related article...

-Phembree — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phembree (talkcontribs) 05:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Please organize

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  • Please add references for all of the information described. Much of the text seems like it is lifted from a festival brochure or website.
  • There's some paragraph in the lead that lists a bunch of artists in a photo, clearly a cut and paste from "Once upon a time in Ann Arbor" article.
  • Article should focus on the history of the group, the formation of the ONCE festivals, major events from each festival, and the impact of the group in the art world.
  • Needs an infobox, either Collective, convention/festival, or organization
  • Needs information on who can be a member of ONCE, or is it only concerning the main artists?
  • Each of the main participants can be grouped in one category such as Members. See MAIN template or link to expound on group positions.
  • The detail of each specific work can go in the History section by year, or the individual artist's article. As prose, example. For the 1962 event, X presented Y which was about Z. (reception detail). X2 presented Y2, which was about Z.
  • Needs timeline or chart of major festival gatherings. If it's an annual event, list dates, locations, participants, titles of their works.

-AngusWOOF (talk) 20:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]