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== Factual inaccuracies in second last Paragraph in Politics, tone of same Paragraph is not neutral == |
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== Changes suggested / required in Sports, Films, and Politics section. Suggest adding more Pictures == |
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Paragraph describing events leading up to resignation of Uddhav Thacakaray (paragraph that begins with "Thackeray led [[Maha Vikas Aghadi]] (MVA) coalition began to unravel in late June 2022 ...") and forming of new Government in June 2022 is not neutral and seems to be written so as to affirm and legitimise the narrative of Shinde faction. (See https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-supreme-court-constitution-bench-reserves-judgment-uddhav-thackeray-eknath-shinde-maharashtra-223929 for arguments by Shinde faction in Supreme Court.) This paragraph needs to be edited so the tone is neutral. |
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'''Sports''' |
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Claim that "[[Maharashtra cricket team]] represents Maharashtra state in Indian domestic cricket." is incorrect. In Ranji Trophy, there are three Teams that represent different parts of Maharashtra - Mumbai, Maharashtra, and Vidarbha. That Vidarbha and Mumbai Teams are from same state is mentioned elsewhere in article, but that comes after two Paragraphs unrelated to Cricket. Same for the governing bodies of the three teams. |
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This section should be rewritten to include all Cricket related info together in few Paras. This section can also highlight achievements of Mumbai and MI in Ranji and IPL respectively.Section should identify Cricketers who have contributed so much to Indian and World Cricket (e.g. Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, Dilip Vengsarkar, Vijay Hazare). |
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This section in a sense does disservice to the contribution that Maharashtra and its Cricketers have made to the Indian and world Cricket. |
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:This article is about Maharashtra. You can add more information on cricket in |
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Maharashtra in Wikipedia article, [[Sports in Maharashtra]] |
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"Thackeray led [[Maha Vikas Aghadi]] (MVA) coalition ''began to unravel'' " - |
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:Thanks for the reply. But if we extend that argument to other sections, no names should be mentioned in Literature, Films / Cinema etc. Ideally, few names should be mentioned in this section. If readers wish to know more, they can refer to Sports section. Also see concerns around correctness of Teams and ownership. - Nonentity683 |
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# "''began to unravel'' " - tone is not neutral. |
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"Since the majority of Shivsena legislative party sided with Shinde," - |
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''' Pictures ''' |
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# This statement is really legitimising position of Shinde Group, who have claimed that majority in Maharashtra Legislature allows them to elect new Leader and Whip in Legislature. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-crisis-principle-of-majority-rule-higher-than-evil-of-defection-eknath-shinde-faction-supreme-court-sc-223799, ) |
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We can add more pictures for places of Historical importance like Forts, Ajanta and Ellora Caves, and for people like Jyotirao Phule, and Ambedkar? |
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# This sentence completely ignores the fact that this particular position is contested by Thackaray Group, and that this is one of the key issues in case in front of Supreme Curt. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shivsena-eknath-shinde-uddhav-thackeray-kapil-sibal-supreme-court-defections-222154, "[https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-crisis-legislative-party-political-party-uddhav-thackeray-faction-supreme-court-eknath-shinde-222262 Legislative Party Cannot Act Independent Of Political Party: Thackeray Faction To Supreme Court]") |
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:Historical places you mention are already there. Adding pictures of famous people can be contentiuous with everyone wanting their famous personalities included.It has gone out of hand for many India related articles. |
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"''attempts by Thackeray to disqualify the dissenting members'' using the [[Anti-defection law (India)|anti-defection law]] were unsuccessful." - |
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: Not having pictures of Ambedkar and Phule looks like a big miss. This page does not contain any paintings from Ajanta or Ellora Caves. For example, see Pictures on http://double-dolphin.blogspot.com/2015/12/photography-inside-ajanta-caves-tips-and-tricks.html. - Nonentity683 |
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# The disqualification proceedings against the members of Shinde group are open as of March 19, 2023, so this statement is factually incorrect. The legislators to whom the notice of start of proceedings of disqualification was issued never replied to said notice. ("[https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-what-is-the-ultimate-relief-court-can-grant-supreme-court-asks-thackeray-faction-222174 What is the Speaker to decide? They have not filed a reply till date.]") |
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# Shinde faction has repeatedly claimed in case in Supreme Court that they are internal party dissidents, so this statement is affirming that narrative. |
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'''Films''' |
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This section should ideally be titled Cinema, since it does not describe artefacts, but artists and industry in general. |
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First 4 sentences of this section can be rewritten to be concise. There seems to be some redundancy. |
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This paragraph also completely ignores the role of Governor in formation of new Government, something that Supreme Court made sharp remarks against (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-governor-cant-enter-into-an-area-which-precipitates-governments-fall-supreme-court-says-during-hearing-223843). |
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:I will have a look |
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'''Grammatical Errors''' |
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This matter is currently pending in Supreme Court (including the matter of grant of Shiv Sena name and party Symbol by ECI to Shinde faction), so no inferences can currently be drawn as to which side is legally correct. |
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"when [[Dadasaheb Phalke]] made [[Raja Harishchandra]] a movie in 1913", "with enormous films, television series, books, and other media being set there", "Mumbai has numerous film production studios and it has facilities to produce films.", "Well known for its [[art films]], the early Marathi film industry included acclaimed directors such as Dadasaheb Phalke and [[V. Shantaram]], [[Dada Kondke]] is the most prominent name in Marathi film.", "Here people often plays it as", "nearly all the times sporting arenas remains full house". These can be corrected. |
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:This article has undergone copyediting in the past but new editors in recent months have messed up.You are welcome to take a lead in copyediting. |
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''' Politics ''' |
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This Paragraph should only state facts, and not make any statements that affirm narrative of one group or the other. |
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This claim seems to be without merit - "Although the Bharatiya Janata Party also features several senior leaders who are dynasts, the phenomenon of dynasticism is at a lower level in the BJP than the Congress party.[152][153] In Maharashtra, the NCP has a particularly high level of dynasticism.[153]". Ref. 152 directly contradicts the claim with a Graph Titled "1999 onwards Congress and BJP are Comparably Dynastic Parties". This reference does not include any Data about Maharashtra. Ref 153 is not available online, so it is not possible to verify is this book contains any relevant info. Given all the dynasts who joined BJP in state after 2014, this just might be the other way around - that State BJP has more Dynasts than congress or NCP. |
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These sentences are inaccurate, and should be removed for want of proof / for being inaccurate. |
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:[[User:Nonentity683|Nonentity683]], Please suggest changes to the paragraph on the talk page. Once a consensus is reached then we can amend the content in the article accordingly.Thank you.[[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] ([[User talk:Jonathansammy|talk]]) 21:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::[[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] : Following sounds about right - |
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::In late June 2022, [[Eknath Shinde]], a senior [[Shiv Sena]] leader, and the majority of [[Member of the Legislative Assembly|MLAs]] from Shiv Sena joined hands with the BJP. [[Uddhav Thackeray]] resigned from the post as chief minister well as a MLC member ahead of [[Motion of no confidence|no-confidence motion]] on 29 June 2022. Shinde subsequently formed a new coalition with the BJP, and was sworn in as the Chief Minister on 30 June 2022. BJP leader, [[Devendra Fadnavis]] was given the post of [[Deputy Chief Minister of Maharashtra|Deputy Chief Minister]] in the new government. [[Uddhav Thackeray]] filed a lawsuit in [[Supreme Court of India]] claiming that [[Eknath Shinde]] and his group's actions meant that they were disqualified under [[Anti-defection law (India)|Anti-defection law]], with [[Eknath Shinde]] claiming that he has not defected, but rather represents the true Shiv Sena party. The case is currently being heard by [[Supreme Court of India]]. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-supreme-court-constitution-bench-reserves-judgment-uddhav-thackeray-eknath-shinde-maharashtra-223929) [[User:Nonentity683|Nonentity683]] ([[User talk:Nonentity683|talk]]) 22:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Nonentity683}} I am OK with the changes you made. obviously, we will have to update the text once the supreme court gives its verdict.Thanks.[[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] ([[User talk:Jonathansammy|talk]]) 14:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC) |
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== Duplicate articles? == |
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How [[Special:Contributions/115.98.235.75|115.98.235.75]] ([[User talk:115.98.235.75|talk]]) 15:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:Please clarify. Just saying 'how' is not a useful contribution to Talk.[[User:SovalValtos|SovalValtos]] ([[User talk:SovalValtos|talk]]) 15:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC) |
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Today, I found these similar Maharashtra geographic location articles: |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2023 == |
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* Haris chandra Range - [[Harischandra Range]]<br> |
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* Haris{{highlight|h}} chandra Range - [[Harishchandra Range]]<br> |
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Updating the HDI of Maharashtra's position to ninth which is shown fifteenth. [[User:Yashwpatil|Yashwpatil]] ([[User talk:Yashwpatil|talk]]) 19:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC) |
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: {{done}} –[[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 22:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC) |
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If yes, can they be merged? The topic is beyond my knowledge, so can an expert here do this please. [[User:JoeNMLC|JoeNMLC]] ([[User talk:JoeNMLC|talk]]) 01:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Should we replace Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory in Indian states and union territories pages ? == |
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::[[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] - Since I've not done merging, counting on another editor to merge. Not sure which of these two is the "correct" spelling. [[User:JoeNMLC|JoeNMLC]] ([[User talk:JoeNMLC|talk]]) 20:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::: Done. See [[Talk:Harishchandra_Range#Harischandra_Range_redirected_here|note]]. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 21:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Note that the previous figure cited (0.75) is based upon 2017-2018 data from Ashoka University. I replaced it with a 2021 stat from the Global Data Lab, which is newer. Note that there is a significant discrepancy for the two datasets, and they probably use different statistics for the three variables to be calculated. '''[[User:VickKiang|<span style="color:blue; padlue 2px 2px 2px;">VickKiang</span>]]''' [[User talk:VickKiang|<span style="color:light blue; padlue 2px 2px 2px;">(talk)</span>]] 04:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[:Template:Infobox Indian state or territory]] has an [[WP:RFC|RFC]] == |
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== Need to Update Infobox Images of Maharashtra Page == |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Template: Infobox Indian state or territory]]''' has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#RfC: Should we replace Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory in Indian states and union territories pages ?|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. [[User:Tojoroy20|Tojoroy20]] ([[User talk:Tojoroy20|talk]]) 21:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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As the current pictures are outdated, there is need a to update Infobox Images of Maharashtra. [[User:Sreein Sreedhar|Sreein Sreedhar]] ([[User talk:Sreein Sreedhar|talk]]) 06:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Infobox replacement == |
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:[[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes]] says "Infoboxes may also include an image, a map, or both." The image can be a photomontage (collage). It cannot be a gallery (a gallery is a lot of separate photographs, each with its own caption).<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">--[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 07:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[User:Sreein Sreedhar|Sreein Sreedhar]] ([[User talk:Sreein Sreedhar|talk]]) In what way are the pictures outdated? Thanks. [[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] ([[User talk:Jonathansammy|talk]]) 16:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Images in religion section == |
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The {{tl|Infobox settlement}} used on this page is going to be replaced with {{tl|Infobox Indian state or territory}} as per the [[Template talk:Infobox Indian state or territory#Notice: Infobox replacement for Indian state or territory pages|Proposal]] and '''[[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#RfC: Should we replace Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory in Indian states and union territories pages ?|Consensus of RFC]]'''. Any questions/suggestions? [[Template talk:Infobox Indian state or territory|Discuss Here]]. |
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Although Hindus are 80% of the state, the images under religion section are mostly of Marathi Hindu shrines except one of a buddhist shrine.There are Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and jews in the state too.This is a page on the state of Maharashtra rather than on [[Marathi people]], and theefore the images should reflect the ethnic, religious, and cultural diversity of the state.Thanks. [[User:Jonathansammy|Jonathansammy]] ([[User talk:Jonathansammy|talk]]) 17:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) |
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You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with '''Infobox Indian state or territory''' [[States and union territories of India|on other pages]] , or by improving this one. [[User:Tojoroy20|Tojoroy20]] ([[User talk:Tojoroy20|talk]]) 18:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Factual inaccuracies in second last Paragraph in Politics, tone of same Paragraph is not neutral
[edit]Paragraph describing events leading up to resignation of Uddhav Thacakaray (paragraph that begins with "Thackeray led Maha Vikas Aghadi (MVA) coalition began to unravel in late June 2022 ...") and forming of new Government in June 2022 is not neutral and seems to be written so as to affirm and legitimise the narrative of Shinde faction. (See https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-supreme-court-constitution-bench-reserves-judgment-uddhav-thackeray-eknath-shinde-maharashtra-223929 for arguments by Shinde faction in Supreme Court.) This paragraph needs to be edited so the tone is neutral.
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"Thackeray led Maha Vikas Aghadi (MVA) coalition began to unravel " -
- "began to unravel " - tone is not neutral.
"Since the majority of Shivsena legislative party sided with Shinde," -
- This statement is really legitimising position of Shinde Group, who have claimed that majority in Maharashtra Legislature allows them to elect new Leader and Whip in Legislature. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-crisis-principle-of-majority-rule-higher-than-evil-of-defection-eknath-shinde-faction-supreme-court-sc-223799, )
- This sentence completely ignores the fact that this particular position is contested by Thackaray Group, and that this is one of the key issues in case in front of Supreme Curt. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shivsena-eknath-shinde-uddhav-thackeray-kapil-sibal-supreme-court-defections-222154, "Legislative Party Cannot Act Independent Of Political Party: Thackeray Faction To Supreme Court")
"attempts by Thackeray to disqualify the dissenting members using the anti-defection law were unsuccessful." -
- The disqualification proceedings against the members of Shinde group are open as of March 19, 2023, so this statement is factually incorrect. The legislators to whom the notice of start of proceedings of disqualification was issued never replied to said notice. ("What is the Speaker to decide? They have not filed a reply till date.")
- Shinde faction has repeatedly claimed in case in Supreme Court that they are internal party dissidents, so this statement is affirming that narrative.
This paragraph also completely ignores the role of Governor in formation of new Government, something that Supreme Court made sharp remarks against (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-governor-cant-enter-into-an-area-which-precipitates-governments-fall-supreme-court-says-during-hearing-223843).
This matter is currently pending in Supreme Court (including the matter of grant of Shiv Sena name and party Symbol by ECI to Shinde faction), so no inferences can currently be drawn as to which side is legally correct.
This Paragraph should only state facts, and not make any statements that affirm narrative of one group or the other.
Nonentity683 (talk) 00:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nonentity683, Please suggest changes to the paragraph on the talk page. Once a consensus is reached then we can amend the content in the article accordingly.Thank you.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- Jonathansammy : Following sounds about right -
- In late June 2022, Eknath Shinde, a senior Shiv Sena leader, and the majority of MLAs from Shiv Sena joined hands with the BJP. Uddhav Thackeray resigned from the post as chief minister well as a MLC member ahead of no-confidence motion on 29 June 2022. Shinde subsequently formed a new coalition with the BJP, and was sworn in as the Chief Minister on 30 June 2022. BJP leader, Devendra Fadnavis was given the post of Deputy Chief Minister in the new government. Uddhav Thackeray filed a lawsuit in Supreme Court of India claiming that Eknath Shinde and his group's actions meant that they were disqualified under Anti-defection law, with Eknath Shinde claiming that he has not defected, but rather represents the true Shiv Sena party. The case is currently being heard by Supreme Court of India. (https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/shiv-sena-case-supreme-court-constitution-bench-reserves-judgment-uddhav-thackeray-eknath-shinde-maharashtra-223929) Nonentity683 (talk) 22:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Nonentity683: I am OK with the changes you made. obviously, we will have to update the text once the supreme court gives its verdict.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Duplicate articles?
[edit]Today, I found these similar Maharashtra geographic location articles:
- Haris chandra Range - Harischandra Range
- Harish chandra Range - Harishchandra Range
If yes, can they be merged? The topic is beyond my knowledge, so can an expert here do this please. JoeNMLC (talk) 01:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- JoeNMLC, Yes, they should be merged.Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jonathansammy - Since I've not done merging, counting on another editor to merge. Not sure which of these two is the "correct" spelling. JoeNMLC (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done. See note. Abecedare (talk) 21:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Jonathansammy - Since I've not done merging, counting on another editor to merge. Not sure which of these two is the "correct" spelling. JoeNMLC (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
HDI
[edit]Note that the previous figure cited (0.75) is based upon 2017-2018 data from Ashoka University. I replaced it with a 2021 stat from the Global Data Lab, which is newer. Note that there is a significant discrepancy for the two datasets, and they probably use different statistics for the three variables to be calculated. VickKiang (talk) 04:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Need to Update Infobox Images of Maharashtra Page
[edit]As the current pictures are outdated, there is need a to update Infobox Images of Maharashtra. Sreein Sreedhar (talk) 06:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes says "Infoboxes may also include an image, a map, or both." The image can be a photomontage (collage). It cannot be a gallery (a gallery is a lot of separate photographs, each with its own caption).-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Sreein Sreedhar (talk) In what way are the pictures outdated? Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
Images in religion section
[edit]Although Hindus are 80% of the state, the images under religion section are mostly of Marathi Hindu shrines except one of a buddhist shrine.There are Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and jews in the state too.This is a page on the state of Maharashtra rather than on Marathi people, and theefore the images should reflect the ethnic, religious, and cultural diversity of the state.Thanks. Jonathansammy (talk) 17:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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