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Hi. I don't know how to edit Wikipedia, but there is important new criticism of this metric that claims to measure extreme poverty. It's an arbitrary metric and doesn't seem to account for the difference between people who have a house and land and food in the ground but may average $1.50/day income, versus someone who has nothing but may get $2/day somehow. The former would be much better off, obviously. Anyway, here is some recent critique in this vein, and there is much more. I don't know how to even do links in Wikipedia but maybe this will work. The link should lead to a recent essay by Jason Hickel at https://newint.org/features/2019/07/01/long-read-progress-and-its-discontents

Hope this critique about Enclosure and the nature of what is being called "extreme poverty" and the faults of this metric. Thanks. John.

Just adding to this, many good Wikipedia pages seem to have a section on criticisms of a subject and that seems to be missing here. I actually came to this page to look for such a section and think if someone could add it that would be useful for future readers. Unfortunately, the editing system seems a bit overwhelming to me so I´ll leave it to you smart people :) - UDRF/Jakob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Udrf (talk • contribs) 11:58, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it needs critique. It also makes it seem as if $1.90/day in 2011 is the threshold everywhere, but it's not. It is adjusted (mostly downward) by PPP which is not mentioned clearly in the lede. 216.19.250.77 (talk) 12:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Significant Minor Viewpoints

Coming off of Talk:Maddison Project#Concerning Paper...

There seems to be minor coverage of $1.90 a day criticism from a significant press outlet, The Guardian. (Wikipedia article: The Guardian).

Going through the linked papers leads to [1] and [2]. If it is significant, it's not being represented well. I should also note that the two most significant contributors (on XTools) are single-purpose accounts. Expert needed pronto.

There may be a Wikimedia project involved, but... wp:crystal ball, and we should leave it at that, until we get more information.⸺(Random)staplers 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-Weird. So according to this 1$ definition less people will be poor when the US$ devaluates. And over time less people will be poor, simply because of because of [[inflation]]. So this definition seems utter nonsense to me. Could someone explain to me why it is not? Or point to some more knowledgeable critique of this definition? [[User:Guaka|G-u-a-k-@]] 00:27, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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+== New Criticism ==
+Hi. I don't know how to edit Wikipedia, but there is important new criticism of this metric that claims to measure extreme poverty. It's an arbitrary metric and doesn't seem to account for the difference between people who have a house and land and food in the ground but may average $1.50/day income, versus someone who has nothing but may get $2/day somehow. The former would be much better off, obviously. Anyway, here is some recent critique in this vein, and there is much more. I don't know how to even do links in Wikipedia but maybe this will work.  The link should lead to a recent essay by Jason Hickel at https://newint.org/features/2019/07/01/long-read-progress-and-its-discontents
-Though the number of people "earning less than a dollar a day" is a common figure cited when discussing global poverty, the methods by which one might calculate what a dollar is worth in developing countries are several and complex.  Certainly the meaning of the phrase will change with inflation, and people who use this metric would have to take that into account.
+Hope this critique about Enclosure and the nature of what is being called "extreme poverty" and the faults of this metric. Thanks. John.
-This article is confused; it uses the term "abosolute poverty" to mean "very bad poverty" when [[income inequality metrics]] defines it as a technical term, which means poverty as measured by what you can afford, not by how you compare to others.  I think it's best just to merge this article there, if there's anything here worth saving. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 07:14, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
+Just adding to this, many good Wikipedia pages seem to have a section on criticisms of a subject and that seems to be missing here. I actually came to this page to look for such a section and think if someone could add it that would be useful for future readers. Unfortunately, the editing system seems a bit overwhelming to me so I´ll leave it to you smart people :) - UDRF/Jakob  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Udrf|Udrf]] ([[User talk:Udrf#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Udrf|contribs]]) 11:58, 19 March 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Absolute Poverty
+:Yes, it needs critique. It also makes it seem as if $1.90/day in 2011 is the threshold everywhere, but it's not. It is adjusted (mostly downward) by PPP which is not mentioned clearly in the lede. [[Special:Contributions/216.19.250.77|216.19.250.77]] ([[User talk:216.19.250.77|talk]]) 12:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
-Someone living beyond the edge of subsistence, whose continued existence is dependent on the active charity of others. May have a religious or world renouncing component if voluntary... [[User:swhit41]]
+== Missing Significant Minor Viewpoints ==
+Coming off of [[Talk:Maddison Project#Concerning Paper]]...
+There seems to be minor coverage of $1.90 a day criticism from a significant press outlet, [https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/nov/01/global-poverty-is-worse-than-you-think-could-you-live-on-190-a-day#:~:text=He%20calculates%20that%20in%20order,it's%20about%20%247.40%20a%20day The Guardian]. (Wikipedia article: [[The Guardian]]).
+Going through the linked papers leads to [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953602005555] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20170703225502/http://courses.arch.vt.edu/courses/wdunaway/gia5524/edward06.pdf]. If it is significant, it's not being represented well. I should also note that [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Extreme_poverty the two most significant contributors (on XTools)] are [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts.]] Expert needed pronto.
+There ''may'' be a Wikimedia project involved, but... [[wp:crystal ball]], and we should leave it at that, until we get more information.⸺([[User talk:Randomstaplers|Random]])[[User:Randomstaplers|staplers]] 23:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)