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The majority of this section's content here seems to be just links to commercial applications, which resembles advertising. A simplistic comparison would be to list Ford, Toyota, Mercedes etc... on the Cars page. Granted, the Internet of Things concept is much newer, but does anybody object to removing the content that is linked to commercial applications? The wouldn't apply to the UBC paragraph. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:GeminiDrive|GeminiDrive]] ([[User talk:GeminiDrive|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GeminiDrive|contribs]]) 5 jun 2013 02:17 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
The majority of this section's content here seems to be just links to commercial applications, which resembles advertising. A simplistic comparison would be to list Ford, Toyota, Mercedes etc... on the Cars page. Granted, the Internet of Things concept is much newer, but does anybody object to removing the content that is linked to commercial applications? The wouldn't apply to the UBC paragraph. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:GeminiDrive|GeminiDrive]] ([[User talk:GeminiDrive|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GeminiDrive|contribs]]) 5 jun 2013 02:17 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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IoT is internet of [[Special:Contributions/203.114.235.166|203.114.235.166]] ([[User talk:203.114.235.166|talk]]) 09:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC) |
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:Well there’s a thing. [[User:Mr Larrington|Mr Larrington]] ([[User talk:Mr Larrington|talk]]) 23:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect [[:IoT]] and has thus listed it [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|for discussion]]. This discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 1#IoT]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 16:14, 1 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:What is IOT [[Special:Contributions/2409:408C:8615:5F94:0:0:FEE:D8AC|2409:408C:8615:5F94:0:0:FEE:D8AC]] ([[User talk:2409:408C:8615:5F94:0:0:FEE:D8AC|talk]]) 01:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Internet of things == |
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Paper presentation [[Special:Contributions/2402:3A80:18:F9BD:DDBD:6869:81AB:5A1C|2402:3A80:18:F9BD:DDBD:6869:81AB:5A1C]] ([[User talk:2402:3A80:18:F9BD:DDBD:6869:81AB:5A1C|talk]]) 06:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC) |
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== Refactor from promotion to explanation == |
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This article would be more useful, if it avoided the content and tone common to advertising pitches about IoT. These are easy to find, but do not offer any specific information on how the technology actually is, or is supposed to work. What is not clear is for example: 1. How exactly IoT networks differ from those for human use. Are they somehow ''exclusively tailored'' for data gathering by central servers? Could human operators theoretically use these low-bandwidth networks for person-to-person communication, or is it simply impractical, or even illegal to do so? For example, is opening a connection by a device not possible, not allowed, or very expensive in terms of network resources? Are devices only infrequently polled for data, making it impractical for example to open a voice or text connection on demand? This kind of information is actually interesting for a person who is not necessarily a technical specialist. I think it is more suitable for Wikipedia, rather than incessant examples of potential commercial use cases. |
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Hello, |
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I would like to ask if is possible to create a stub for the Internet of Everything (IoE), to show the difference between IoT and IoE. |
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The MIT device to open the computer room door and call the elevator was operational in 1979, so predates the CMU coke machine. [[User:Larsbrinkhoff|Lars Brinkhoff]] ([[User talk:Larsbrinkhoff|talk]]) 09:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC) |
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Thank you in advance! Best regards, [[User:Idividual1967|Idividual1967]] ([[User talk:Idividual1967|talk]]) 11:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC) |
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I just stumbled upon [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_(industry_standard)] which details the invention of a digital language for networked devices around the home or office which began in 1975. I do not see any definition by which this should not be a key historical element in the Internet of things article. I considered that perhaps this omission was due to a strict adherence to devices communicating only to other devices without human involvement, but this makes no sense 1. because the x10 was used for home security sensors which would actively ping the alarm unit indicating an "all is well" signal to a receiving unit and 2. a great variety of the modern Iot devices actually necessitate human interaction and would be pointless in their absence. If I get no replies to this I will add the x10 history bit to the Iot article. --[[User:Luke Kindred|Luke Kindred]] ([[User talk:Luke Kindred|talk]]) 05:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:Just bear in mind that this is its own network, which had no conection then to the Internet. - [[User:Snori|Snori]] ([[User talk:Snori|talk]]) 05:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC) |
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Thanks Snori. While I can see your point, I also think that the way in which "Things" are accessing and utilizing the modern internet more closely resembles a Wide Area Network (WAN) and often a glorified LAN. Such as when you use a web based email account to send a photo to yourself in order to move a file from your desktop computer to the smartphone in your pocket, a large and rather complicated use of the internet for a function which could have been accomplished with much more simplicity and efficiency over a LAN. Thought provoking stuff.--[[User:Luke Kindred|Luke Kindred]] ([[User talk:Luke Kindred|talk]]) 22:24, 18 August 2019 (UTC) |
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Obviously I can't add it (since it was my thing back then) but here's link to a story and a patent filed in 1994-5 for an early IoT device: |
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Note the amount of references/citations to that patent... |
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Internet of things need blue tooth and exchange data [[Special:Contributions/119.157.170.60|119.157.170.60]] ([[User talk:119.157.170.60|talk]]) 06:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:That wouldn't be IoT responsibilities, as bluetooth isn't essential for primary network connectivity, it's a secondary protocol in most devices. It should be in the stack, but it remains an option to the device engineering team, not as some non-standard in a non-standardized environment that's poorly defined. Hence, why I rather agree with one of the references IoS "designation", "Internet Of Shit", no standards means minimal quality of design or security.[[User:Wzrd1|Wzrd1]] ([[User talk:Wzrd1|talk]]) 22:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Plus, Bluetooth may just be the most insecure protocol ever. Not because there aren't less secure protocols (there are), it's just that because it's so widely used that it feels like every other week when we hear about a 10/10 critical RCE exploit abusing Bluetooth. |
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::Internet of Shit really is a hacker's version of heaven - hundreds of millions of devices with weak default passwords, outdated web technologies as a result of tight budgets, and of course being out there in the open. [[User:GordinatorG|GordinatorG]] ([[User talk:GordinatorG|talk]]) 13:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]The majority of this section's content here seems to be just links to commercial applications, which resembles advertising. A simplistic comparison would be to list Ford, Toyota, Mercedes etc... on the Cars page. Granted, the Internet of Things concept is much newer, but does anybody object to removing the content that is linked to commercial applications? The wouldn't apply to the UBC paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeminiDrive (talk • contribs) 5 jun 2013 02:17 (UTC)
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[edit]IoT is internet of 203.114.235.166 (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well there’s a thing. Mr Larrington (talk) 23:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"IoT" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect IoT and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 1#IoT until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
- What is IOT 2409:408C:8615:5F94:0:0:FEE:D8AC (talk) 01:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Internet of things
[edit]Paper presentation 2402:3A80:18:F9BD:DDBD:6869:81AB:5A1C (talk) 06:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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Refactor from promotion to explanation
[edit]This article would be more useful, if it avoided the content and tone common to advertising pitches about IoT. These are easy to find, but do not offer any specific information on how the technology actually is, or is supposed to work. What is not clear is for example: 1. How exactly IoT networks differ from those for human use. Are they somehow exclusively tailored for data gathering by central servers? Could human operators theoretically use these low-bandwidth networks for person-to-person communication, or is it simply impractical, or even illegal to do so? For example, is opening a connection by a device not possible, not allowed, or very expensive in terms of network resources? Are devices only infrequently polled for data, making it impractical for example to open a voice or text connection on demand? This kind of information is actually interesting for a person who is not necessarily a technical specialist. I think it is more suitable for Wikipedia, rather than incessant examples of potential commercial use cases. Morycm (talk) 02:08, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Creating an IoE stub
[edit]Hello,
I would like to ask if is possible to create a stub for the Internet of Everything (IoE), to show the difference between IoT and IoE.
Thank you in advance! Best regards, Idividual1967 (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Advantages of internet of things
[edit]Internet of things need blue tooth and exchange data 119.157.170.60 (talk) 06:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- That wouldn't be IoT responsibilities, as bluetooth isn't essential for primary network connectivity, it's a secondary protocol in most devices. It should be in the stack, but it remains an option to the device engineering team, not as some non-standard in a non-standardized environment that's poorly defined. Hence, why I rather agree with one of the references IoS "designation", "Internet Of Shit", no standards means minimal quality of design or security.Wzrd1 (talk) 22:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus, Bluetooth may just be the most insecure protocol ever. Not because there aren't less secure protocols (there are), it's just that because it's so widely used that it feels like every other week when we hear about a 10/10 critical RCE exploit abusing Bluetooth.
- Internet of Shit really is a hacker's version of heaven - hundreds of millions of devices with weak default passwords, outdated web technologies as a result of tight budgets, and of course being out there in the open. GordinatorG (talk) 13:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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