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==Cleaning suburbs in LGAs to remove redlinks== |
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Hi, Can people who know or care about this LGA please have a look [[Talk:List of Sydney suburbs#Yay, no more redlinks! On to cleaning up LGAs...|at this message]] and see if they can please help solve any of the redlinks in the "suburbs in this LGA" section of this page? (Usually solution is either to add a stub about the suburb / locality in question, or to remove it from the LGA's list). -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 04:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC) |
Hi, Can people who know or care about this LGA please have a look [[Talk:List of Sydney suburbs#Yay, no more redlinks! On to cleaning up LGAs...|at this message]] and see if they can please help solve any of the redlinks in the "suburbs in this LGA" section of this page? (Usually solution is either to add a stub about the suburb / locality in question, or to remove it from the LGA's list). -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 04:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Who wrote out the list of suburbs? Its North Curl Curl and South Curl Curl not Curl Curl North and Curl Curl South! I dont see any Curl Curl North and Curl Curl South Surf Life Saving Clubs, nor do I see a Curl Curl North Public School. Also, who wrote out things like Dee Why North? Dee Why is the suburb, Dee Why West refers to Cromer, same as "Dee Why Heights" will refer to Narraweena. Whoever wrote out the suburbs has to be a real estate agent ha! [[User:144.139.11.212|144.139.11.212]] 03:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC) |
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: Furthermore, Collaroy beach isnt a suburb. I dont know when collaroy plateau west became a suburb, nor do i know when belrose west, dee why north, dee why beach, frenchs forest east, harbord west, and 'narrabeen peninsula' were seperate suburbs. Wingala is the old name for a part of what is now north curl curl and dee why - the 159 bus service still says wingala but its not actually a 'suburb'. finally, how can a shopping mall be a suburb? the address is Warringah Mall, Brookvale. [[User:144.139.11.212|144.139.11.212]] 03:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:: The list came from the Dept of local government, I believe, perhaps it's run by ex-real estate types! :-) List should be valid now, but please double-check. If you're in doubt about something, the people to check with are the [[Geographical Names Board of New South Wales]], using [http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name_search their online search]. If the status isn't "suburb", then it's not a suburb, but if it is, then it is. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 01:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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==Cleaning up: Removed some non-suburbs== |
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I have removed some non-suburbs from the list of suburbs. Some are also beaches (big thank you to the unknown person who rearranged beaches into a separate section!), but the 3 that are neither suburbs nor beaches I think are: |
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* [[Coal and Candle Creek, New South Wales|Coal and Candle Creek]] |
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* [[Winji Jimmi, New South Wales|Winji Jimmi]] |
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* [[Sorlie, New South Wales|Sorlie]] |
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If there is interest in keeping these, they should probably relisted under a new section (e.g. "Localities", or "Other"). -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 00:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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: You could also list [[Wingala, New South Wales]] in the same section. -- All the best, [[User:Nickj|Nickj]] [[User talk:Nickj|(t)]] 00:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Dismissals == |
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The dismissals section of the article is a sensitive one, so I'd like to get some consensus before anything more is added or removed. It's my opinion that the dismissals are a part of Warringah's history which should be reported, as it is significant that the council has been dismissed three times. Also, I believe that to simply report the dismissal and to fail to mention the reasons given for dismissal, ''whether or not it is considered to be correct or well founded reasons'' is a form of censorship. At the same time, this section should attempt to be unbiased by acknowledging that, for example, the reasons given for the dismissal were the ''commissioner's'' views, and also be well referenced. Any thoughts on this? [[User:Terovian|Terovian]] ([[User talk:Terovian|talk]]) 12:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I agree with you in regards to how the dismissals should be handled. I am adding a quote from the 2003 dismissal that is criticising the commissioner. That should level it out. Good luck finding info on the 1967,1985 dismissals. There doesn't seem to be any info on them at all. Regards[[User:Stravin|Stravin]] ([[User talk:Stravin|talk]]) 12:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Have now sufficiently expanded the sections on 1985 and 1967. They are adequately referenced and do explain what happened. Therefore I have removed the box asking for expansion on these. If you don't agree, please explain here on the talk page and we can address them. Thanks [[User:Stravin|Stravin]] ([[User talk:Stravin|talk]]) 09:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== further Dismissals == |
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As a former Councillor "dismissed" by the Wran State Government in 1985, I have a personal issue in ensuring that all the facts regarding this event are accurately recorded. It has been disappointing that certain vested interests have persistently avoided and or changed well researched data. |
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In trying to "fix" this today, I have managed to stuff up somewhat. Does anyone know how to have the following incorporated so that it can't be easily changed? |
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The following are the facts with references: |
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The Council was dismissed again in December 1985 by the [[Neville Wran]] State Government which followed an allegation of bribery, and of local dissatisfaction with the handling of development applications at Palm Beach and Delmege development at Mona Vale, in the case of the later amid alleged “discrepancies in council planning decisions”. |
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Warringah was placed under administration for 16 months with Mr Daniel Kelly from the Department of Local Government acting as Administrator from December 1985 until April 1986 and Richard Connolly, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Waste Disposal authority from June 1986 to March 1987.<ref name=clr/> Warringah Council was returned after elections in early 1987 and resulted in 7 Councillors from the previous Council being returned to office, including the Shire President, Ted Jackson.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=RlgVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vOQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4575,7770557&dq=warringah+council+julie+sutton|title=Warringah Reborn|last=Collier|first=Shayne|date=26 March 1987|publisher=Sydney Morning Herald|accessdate=2009-05-27}}. |
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Following investigations into the bribery allegation (supposedly against one Councillor) by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman, no charges were laid against any dismissed councillor or member of Council staff. |
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Administrator Kelly advised that despite an "exhaustive examination" of the Delmege development by Council staff and its advisers that would normally lead to its approval, it would be in the best interests of the community and the developer "to have any doubts about the development settled once and for all". He subsequently sought legal advice from a leading authority on environmental law as to the merits of the application and the former Council's handling of it <ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily|accessdate=1986-01-23. Mr Murray Tobias Q.C., subsequently advised that the Council had not exceeded its powers in its handling of the development, apart from "some minor and academic matters" and that the "unmasking of these oversights revealed a degree of legal nit-picking which would have been dismissed out of hand as immaterial or insignificant had the development, due to its height [6 storeys] not attracted such objection." <ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily, pages 1 and 2|accessdate 1986-05-10. Tobias also advised that in respect to certain deficiencies that rendered the granting of the building approval invalid, that the deficiencies "were in all respects technical breaches of the Act committed without appreciation thereof by either Council, its Staff as well as the Developer and solely due to an oversight on the part of Council which it purported to remedy by its resolutions of 3rd December 1985 albeit after the construction had been completed. He found that these resolutions were clearly valid...and that they therefore remedied the situation as to the building approval given by the Land and Environment Court on 6th March 1986 and had removed any point of continuing illegality." <ref>{{cite page 9, Minutes Special Meeting|publisher=Warringah Shire Council|accessdate 1986-05-20}} |
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In an unprecedented public media campaign the NSW Local Government Association (LGA) supported by more than 150 constituent NSW Councils, demanded that the State Government institute an Inquiry into the dismissal of Warringah Council. <ref>{{cite advertisment|publisher=Daily Telegraph, page 4|accessdate=1986-02-17}}. At the request of the LGA, the NSW Ombudsman agreed to conduct his own Inquiry. Following the Ombudsman's successful legal challenge against the State Government's repeated refusals to provide him with all relevant files, He subsequently found that there had been no evidence of corruption to support the dismissal, and that “the elected councillors were denied natural justice and were both unfairly and unlawfully dismissed".<ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily, page 1|accessdate 1987-10-24}}. It was also revealed that the Cabinet, headed by Local Government Minister, [[Janice Crosio]], had made the decision to sack the council while ignoring the advice of the Under-secretary of the Department of Local Government who had been pushing for a public inquiry before the dimissal. news|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uDkRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4995,8739675&dq=warringah+council|title=A paucity of ministerial praise after Mr Fox goes|date=27 May 1986|publisher=Sydney Morning Herald|accessdate=2009-05-27}}</ref> |
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Investigations into bribery allegations against councillors by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman did not result in any charges being laid against any councillor or member of staff. |
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The evidence in this matter shows clearly that Warringah Council was not "Dismissed" in 1985 but was "unfairly and unlawfully dismissed" and that in the interests of the public record and in fairness to the reputations of those involved, the media should refrain from continuing to disparage those reputations by its continual attempts to legitimise a totally discredited and unlawful act. |
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The Council was dismissed again in December 1985 by the [[Neville Wran]] State Government which followed an allegation of bribery, and of local dissatisfaction with the handling of development applications at Palm Beach and Delmege development at Mona Vale, in the case of the later amid alleged “discrepancies in council planning decisions”. Warringah was placed under administration for 16 months with Daniel Kelly from the Department of Local Government acting as Administrator from December 1985 until April 1986 and Richard Connolly, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Waste Disposal authority from June 1986 to March 1987.<ref name=clr/> Warringah Council was returned after elections in early 1987 and resulted in 7 Councillors from the previous Council being returned to office, including the Shire President, Ted Jackson.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=RlgVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vOQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4575,7770557&dq=warringah+council+julie+sutton|title=Warringah Reborn|last=Collier|first=Shayne|date=26 March 1987|publisher=Sydney Morning Herald|accessdate=2009-05-27}}. |
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Police investigations into bribery allegations against councillors by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman did not result in any charges being laid. |
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Administrator Kelly advised that despite an "exhaustive examination" of the Delmege development by Council staff and its advisers that would normally lead to its approval, it would be in the best interests of the community and the developer "to have any doubts about the development to be settled once and for all". He subsequently sought legal advice from a leading authority on environmental law as to the merits of the application and the former Council's handling of it <ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily|accessdate=1986-01-23. Mr Murray Tobias Q.C., subsequently advised that the Council had not exceeded its powers in its handling of the development, apart from "some minor and academic matters" and that the "unmasking of these oversights revealed a degree of legal nit-picking which would have been dismissed out of hand as immaterial or insignificant had the development, due to its height [6 storeys] not attracted such objection." <ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily, pages 1 and 2|accessdate 1986-05-10. Tobias also advised that in respect to certain deficiencies that rendered the granting of the building approval invalid, that the deficiencies "were in all respects technical breaches of the Act committed without appreciation thereof by either Council, its Staff as well as the Developer and solely due to an oversight on the part of Council which it purported to remedy by its resolutions of 3rd December 1985 albeit after the construction had been completed. He found that these resolutions were clearly valid...and that they therefore remedied the situation as to the building approval given by the Land and Environment Court on 6th March 1986 and had removed any point of continuing illegality." <ref>{{cite page 9, Minutes Special Meeting|publisher=Warringah Shire Council|accessdate 1986-05-20}} |
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In an unprecedented public media campaign the NSW Local Government Association supported by more than 150 constituent NSW Councils, demanded that the State Government institute an Inquiry into the dismissal of Warringah Council. <ref>{{cite advertisment|publisher=Daily Telegraph, page 4|accessdate=1986-02-17}}. The NSW Ombudsman agreed to conduct his own Inquiry. Following the NSW Ombudsman's challenge against the government for its repeated refusal to provide him with all relevant files, it was subsequently found that there had been no evidence of corruption to support the dismissal, and that “the elected councillors were denied natural justice and were both unfairly and unlawfully dismissed".<ref>{{cite news|publisher=The Manly Daily, page 1|accessdate 1987-10-24}}. It was also revealed that the Cabinet, headed by Local Government Minister, [[Janice Crosio]], had made the decision to sack the council while ignoring the advice of the Under-secretary of the Department of Local Government who had been pushing for a public inquiry before the dimissal. news|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uDkRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hucDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4995,8739675&dq=warringah+council|title=A paucity of ministerial praise after Mr Fox goes|date=27 May 1986|publisher=Sydney Morning Herald|accessdate=2009-05-27}}</ref> |
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Investigations into bribery allegations against councillors by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman did not result in any charges being laid against any councillor or member of staff. |
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Can someone tell me why I can't get the full facts included in this edit?=== <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.241.232.120|60.241.232.120]] ([[User talk:60.241.232.120|talk]]) 10:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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My well researched facts re this simply refuse to be incorporated? What am I doing wrong?==== <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/60.241.232.120|60.241.232.120]] ([[User talk:60.241.232.120|talk]]) 10:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Why does 'Division of Warringah' indicate Pyongyang coordinates? == |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Division_of_Warringah |
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Is this some kind of political statement? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/200.63.47.32|200.63.47.32]] ([[User talk:200.63.47.32#top|talk]]) 14:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Cleaning suburbs in LGAs to remove redlinks
[edit]Hi, Can people who know or care about this LGA please have a look at this message and see if they can please help solve any of the redlinks in the "suburbs in this LGA" section of this page? (Usually solution is either to add a stub about the suburb / locality in question, or to remove it from the LGA's list). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 04:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Who wrote out the list of suburbs? Its North Curl Curl and South Curl Curl not Curl Curl North and Curl Curl South! I dont see any Curl Curl North and Curl Curl South Surf Life Saving Clubs, nor do I see a Curl Curl North Public School. Also, who wrote out things like Dee Why North? Dee Why is the suburb, Dee Why West refers to Cromer, same as "Dee Why Heights" will refer to Narraweena. Whoever wrote out the suburbs has to be a real estate agent ha! 144.139.11.212 03:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- Furthermore, Collaroy beach isnt a suburb. I dont know when collaroy plateau west became a suburb, nor do i know when belrose west, dee why north, dee why beach, frenchs forest east, harbord west, and 'narrabeen peninsula' were seperate suburbs. Wingala is the old name for a part of what is now north curl curl and dee why - the 159 bus service still says wingala but its not actually a 'suburb'. finally, how can a shopping mall be a suburb? the address is Warringah Mall, Brookvale. 144.139.11.212 03:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- The list came from the Dept of local government, I believe, perhaps it's run by ex-real estate types! :-) List should be valid now, but please double-check. If you're in doubt about something, the people to check with are the Geographical Names Board of New South Wales, using their online search. If the status isn't "suburb", then it's not a suburb, but if it is, then it is. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 01:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Cleaning up: Removed some non-suburbs
[edit]I have removed some non-suburbs from the list of suburbs. Some are also beaches (big thank you to the unknown person who rearranged beaches into a separate section!), but the 3 that are neither suburbs nor beaches I think are:
If there is interest in keeping these, they should probably relisted under a new section (e.g. "Localities", or "Other"). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- You could also list Wingala, New South Wales in the same section. -- All the best, Nickj (t) 00:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Infobox Update
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Dismissals
[edit]The dismissals section of the article is a sensitive one, so I'd like to get some consensus before anything more is added or removed. It's my opinion that the dismissals are a part of Warringah's history which should be reported, as it is significant that the council has been dismissed three times. Also, I believe that to simply report the dismissal and to fail to mention the reasons given for dismissal, whether or not it is considered to be correct or well founded reasons is a form of censorship. At the same time, this section should attempt to be unbiased by acknowledging that, for example, the reasons given for the dismissal were the commissioner's views, and also be well referenced. Any thoughts on this? Terovian (talk) 12:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you in regards to how the dismissals should be handled. I am adding a quote from the 2003 dismissal that is criticising the commissioner. That should level it out. Good luck finding info on the 1967,1985 dismissals. There doesn't seem to be any info on them at all. RegardsStravin (talk) 12:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Have now sufficiently expanded the sections on 1985 and 1967. They are adequately referenced and do explain what happened. Therefore I have removed the box asking for expansion on these. If you don't agree, please explain here on the talk page and we can address them. Thanks Stravin (talk) 09:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
further Dismissals
[edit]As a former Councillor "dismissed" by the Wran State Government in 1985, I have a personal issue in ensuring that all the facts regarding this event are accurately recorded. It has been disappointing that certain vested interests have persistently avoided and or changed well researched data.
In trying to "fix" this today, I have managed to stuff up somewhat. Does anyone know how to have the following incorporated so that it can't be easily changed?
The following are the facts with references:
The Council was dismissed again in December 1985 by the Neville Wran State Government which followed an allegation of bribery, and of local dissatisfaction with the handling of development applications at Palm Beach and Delmege development at Mona Vale, in the case of the later amid alleged “discrepancies in council planning decisions”.
Warringah was placed under administration for 16 months with Mr Daniel Kelly from the Department of Local Government acting as Administrator from December 1985 until April 1986 and Richard Connolly, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Waste Disposal authority from June 1986 to March 1987.[1] Warringah Council was returned after elections in early 1987 and resulted in 7 Councillors from the previous Council being returned to office, including the Shire President, Ted Jackson.Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).
Investigations into bribery allegations against councillors by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman did not result in any charges being laid against any councillor or member of staff.
The evidence in this matter shows clearly that Warringah Council was not "Dismissed" in 1985 but was "unfairly and unlawfully dismissed" and that in the interests of the public record and in fairness to the reputations of those involved, the media should refrain from continuing to disparage those reputations by its continual attempts to legitimise a totally discredited and unlawful act.
The Council was dismissed again in December 1985 by the Neville Wran State Government which followed an allegation of bribery, and of local dissatisfaction with the handling of development applications at Palm Beach and Delmege development at Mona Vale, in the case of the later amid alleged “discrepancies in council planning decisions”. Warringah was placed under administration for 16 months with Daniel Kelly from the Department of Local Government acting as Administrator from December 1985 until April 1986 and Richard Connolly, former Chairman of the Metropolitan Waste Disposal authority from June 1986 to March 1987.[1] Warringah Council was returned after elections in early 1987 and resulted in 7 Councillors from the previous Council being returned to office, including the Shire President, Ted Jackson.Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).
Investigations into bribery allegations against councillors by the NSW Fraud Squad and the Ombudsman did not result in any charges being laid against any councillor or member of staff.
Can someone tell me why I can't get the full facts included in this edit?=== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.232.120 (talk) 10:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
My well researched facts re this simply refuse to be incorporated? What am I doing wrong?==== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.232.120 (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
References
Why does 'Division of Warringah' indicate Pyongyang coordinates?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Division_of_Warringah
Is this some kind of political statement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.63.47.32 (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
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