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== Anglo-Saxonism in the 19th century ==
== Racial supremacism section still needs significant work, possible candidate for deletion ==
This article would benefit significantly from a discussion of the differences between supremacism, racism, nationalism, ultranationalism, chauvinism, and other related terms. I have a solid background in the study of extremism and have never seen "supremacism" as a unified topic, and a search through Google Scholar turned up no studies that attempted to give the term an overarching usage to multiple ideologies. That the link to Arab supremacy redirects to "Racism in Arab World" while previous editors included links to Indocentrism and Han nationalism, among other forms of in-group identification rarely described as "supremacism", speaks to the lack of clarity on supremacism as a distinct concept. My sense is that outside of well-established usages such as white supremacy and black supremacy, the "supremacist" designation is largely subjective and moral rather than based on any clear distinctions.

I reworked the racial section to bring the summaries more in line with the main articles for each, but relied on taking direct verbiage from those article so future editors should feel free to rewrite into fuller summaries. The main articles themselves had some major issues. For instance, the [https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-front-row/exterminate-all-the-brutes-reviewed-a-vast-agonizing-history-of-white-supremacy|main citation] in the introduction to the White supremacy article is a review of an HBO series that, according to the citation, the director "explicitly calls 'a story, not a contribution to historical research.'" The timing of scientific racism, white supremacism, and colonialism is still off: the main article for scientific racism has its formalization starting with Linnaeus in the late 18th century, by which time colonialism was centuries old.

The piece also had a paragraph on "Jewish supremacism" as a variation of the [[International Jewish conspiracy]]. While this belief is common among white supremacists, allegations of an out-group's supremacist beliefs didn't seem to fit in an article about in-group supremacist beliefs, especially when the next section has a subsection on Jewish religious supremacism. There additionally was a paragraph on Indian and Chinese views of outsiders as barbarians and inferiors, but these were just stray quotes. The sinicization of Tibet and Xinjiang could fit the mold for an example of "Han supremacism" if anyone wants to tackle that.

I'll defer to editors more expert in the space, but without a clear distinction between supremacism and other forms of extremist in-group belief, we may want to consider deletion for this article.
[[User:Nben7070|Nben7070]] ([[User talk:Nben7070|talk]]) 15:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
:Another editor reverted my changes but didn't provide an explanation. I reached out for more information but didn't get a response so I'm reverting back. As mentioned earlier, the section I edited still needs significant work so I welcome all suggestions to improve it. [[User:Nben7070|Nben7070]] ([[User talk:Nben7070|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I suggest editing this section "...and finally the "''[[Homo mediterraneus]]''" ([[Naples|Neapolitan]], [[Andalusia|Andalus]], etc.) Jews were brachycephalic just like the Aryans were, according to Lapouge; but he considered them dangerous for this exact reason; they were the only group, he thought, which was threatening to displace the Aryan aristocracy." To "and finally the "Homo mediterraneus" (Neapolitan, Andalus, etc.). Lapouge considered the Jews dangerous; they were the only group, he thought, which was threatening to displace the Aryan aristocracy."
:In the previous paragraph it is mentioned that Aryans are dolichocephalic, but then "Jews were brachycephalic just like the Aryans..."
:Its incoherent. [[User:Ravpibe|Ravpibe]] ([[User talk:Ravpibe|talk]]) 01:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

== User:Jesusmahdimessiahqin edit ==

I understand and empathize with the motivation behind this recent edit, but it probably does not quite fit the tone of Wikipedia’s mission statement, so I suggest some kind of dialogue with the author (and at least one other editor more experienced than I) to rephrase the text in a way that both the author and Wikipedia standards can agree upon. [[User:Blu Moon|Blu Moon]] ([[User talk:Blu Moon|talk]]) 02:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


Any objections to adding a link to this page under racial supremacism: further information? [[User:Jen nia mondo|Jen nia mondo]] ([[User talk:Jen nia mondo|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Facts are okay by me. The Turkish purge targeted a religious supremacist ideology that infested and rendered its government dysfunctional and self destructive. The issue is covered right here on Wikipedia with no objections. [[User:Jesusmahdimessiahqin|Jesusmahdimessiahqin]] ([[User talk:Jesusmahdimessiahqin|talk]]) 14:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
: {{Re|Jesusmahdimessiahqin}} You have to follow Wikipedia's policies. We do not add our own comments and we do not use other Wikipedia articles as sources. Anything you add in violation of those policies will be removed sooner or later, so you are wasting your time adding them. What you have to do is find a [[WP:RS|reliable published source]] and ''report'' what it says (not comment about what it says). Then there are issues of [[WP:WEIGHT]] to consider, since this is a general article about supremacism, not an editorial on modern examples you think are important. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 02:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:33, 16 September 2024

Don't merge with 'triumphalism;' just retain the cross-reference.

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As I pointed out over in the 'triumphalism' entry, they are truly two different types of things. 'Supremacism' is a term that is reserved for articulated, conscious doctrines. Supremacism also has an integral political nature, reflected in this entry's tight focus on the entitlement to certain rights as a defining feature of supremacist doctrines. Supremacism definitely belongs in the realm of political dogma or doctrine.

'Triumphalism,' on the other hand, is most frequently an unarticulated--even unconscious--assumption or attitude. It may be, but is not necessarily associated with any political course of action or goal. When we speak of triumphalism, we are discussing a sociological or psychological phenomenon.

In addition, 'Supremacist' is a badge of honor among true supremacists; they willingly describe themselves as supremacists. In contrast, 'triumphalism' is an observer's category. It is an adjective used by some to characterize the actions or attitudes of others--often meant to imply some measure dysfunctional delusion. No one labels him or herself a 'triumphalist;' no one explicitly advocates to increase triumphalism within his or her own group.

Crips and Bloods supremacist Groups?

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Is it accurate to list the crips and Bloods aong the list of supremacist groups? to my knowledge the crips and blood are almost never refered to as a black suppemacist groups. Shouldn't then hispanic gangs be included in this list as well? or asian gangs? just because a certain race dominates a gang does not automatically make it a suppremacist group. If no further information can be provided i think they should be removed.

--The Crips is a street gang which originated in Los Angeles, California in the late 1960s. During the early 1970s, the gang grew and branched out to other parts of Los Angeles County. These new subsidiary or realigned existing gangs were known as sets, and they used the term Crips in their individual gang name.--

exert taken fron know-gangs.com there is no mention of the Crips being a suppremacist gang.

-The gang is largely composed of African Americans, but is multiracial in many cities (e.g. New York), where "satellite" Crip gangs are present. The gang has an intense rivalry with the Bloods. They are also known to feud with Chicano gangs.-

Taken form wikipedia article on crips. i gues the crips are a multiracial black supremacist group.

Phobias in See Also section?

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Since a phobia is not necessarily a sign of supremacism, should phobia-related See Also links be in here?

GOCE copy edit

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Anglo-Saxonism in the 19th century

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Any objections to adding a link to this page under racial supremacism: further information? Jen nia mondo (talk) 23:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]