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{{{result|The result of the debate was}}} '''no move'''. -- '''[[User:Tariqabjotu|<span style="color:black;">tariq</span><span style="color:gray;">abjotu</span>]]''' <small>(joturner)</small> 00:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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* Not moving this, we use caps as in the original title. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] <small>[[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]</small> 22:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
* Not moving this, we use caps as in the original title. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] <small>[[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]</small> 22:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
* '''Amazon''' That's not how it's [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765808684/sr=8-1/qid=1155070436/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2318878-1445562?ie=UTF8 listed at Amazon], and there's no reason to think that the mis-capitalization is intentional or necessary like in [[iPod]]. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 20:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
* Amazon: That's not how it's [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765808684/sr=8-1/qid=1155070436/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2318878-1445562?ie=UTF8 listed at Amazon], and there's no reason to think that the mis-capitalization is intentional or necessary like in [[iPod]]. -[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]·[[User talk:Koavf|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]·[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]] 20:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
* I think we should go with the capitalization as the publisher has it on the book cover, which is ''Democracy: The God That Failed''. [[User:DickClarkMises|Dick Clark]] 21:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''': I think we should go with the capitalization as the publisher has it on the book cover, which is ''Democracy: The God That Failed''. [[User:DickClarkMises|Dick Clark]] 21:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
* If, as well as on its cover, the current capitaliz/sation is used on the title pages in the book, don't rename. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 05:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
* If, as well as on its cover, the current capitaliz/sation is used on the title pages in the book, don't rename. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 05:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:It is also capitalized that way (first letter of every word capitalized) on the title page. I can post a snapshot of that page if anyone is in doubt. [[User:DickClarkMises|Dick Clark]] 15:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:It is also capitalized that way (first letter of every word capitalized) on the title page. I can post a snapshot of that page if anyone is in doubt. [[User:DickClarkMises|Dick Clark]] 15:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:* In that case, '''keep''' name per Dick. Regards, [[User:David Kernow|David]] 23:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Per [[User:DickClarkMises]]. [[User:Intangible|Intangible]] 15:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Per my copy as well. -- [[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] 14:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
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== Is "controversial" an injection of POV? ==

An edit today added the word "controversial" to the opening sentence of this article. Some would describe the book as "rigorously reasoned" rather than "controversial." Does this description belong? --[[User:RayBirks|RayBirks]] ([[User talk:RayBirks|talk]]) 03:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:Not POV as long as it's referenced, as it refers to the reception rather than the content. I'd be interested to learn more about how this book was received, though. [[User:Leushenko|Leushenko]] ([[User talk:Leushenko|talk]]) 22:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

==Merge?==


The book is notable, perhaps even enough for its own page (though it was the remarks about gays, rather than the more substantive theoretical stuff about monarchy, that got most of the RS reaction). But I think the merits of a merge to the [[Hans-Hermann Hoppe]] page should be discussed. [[User:Steeletrap|Steeletrap]] ([[User talk:Steeletrap|talk]]) 05:11, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
:Actually, the DTGTF material we see in H-H H would be better presented in this article. E.g., this venue could present more of the controversial debate stuff and (perhaps) avoid balance problems in the main BLP. – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 05:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' I'm sure all the neutral info would be purged if it was merged. '''[[User:Carolmooredc|CM-DC]] <small> [[File:Face-surprise.svg|alt=surprised|18px]][[User talk:Carolmooredc|talk]]</small> ''' 16:46, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
:'''Support''' It should be merged per [[WP:GNG]] unless more independent reliable sources are found and cited. [[User:Llll5032|Llll5032]] ([[User talk:Llll5032|talk]]) 02:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


== TFD re H-H H book invite ==


For editors who have interest in H-H H, I invite you to look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_January_28#Template:Hans-Hermann_Hoppe this TFD]. – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 08:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 00:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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Proposal  : Democracy: The God That Failed → Democracy: The God that Failed
Rationale :   Proper capitalization.
Proposer : -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 22:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey and discussion

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Please add  * Support  or  * Oppose  followed by a brief explanation and then your signature ("~~~~").

It is also capitalized that way (first letter of every word capitalized) on the title page. I can post a snapshot of that page if anyone is in doubt. Dick Clark 15:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Is "controversial" an injection of POV?

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An edit today added the word "controversial" to the opening sentence of this article. Some would describe the book as "rigorously reasoned" rather than "controversial." Does this description belong? --RayBirks (talk) 03:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not POV as long as it's referenced, as it refers to the reception rather than the content. I'd be interested to learn more about how this book was received, though. Leushenko (talk) 22:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?

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The book is notable, perhaps even enough for its own page (though it was the remarks about gays, rather than the more substantive theoretical stuff about monarchy, that got most of the RS reaction). But I think the merits of a merge to the Hans-Hermann Hoppe page should be discussed. Steeletrap (talk) 05:11, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the DTGTF material we see in H-H H would be better presented in this article. E.g., this venue could present more of the controversial debate stuff and (perhaps) avoid balance problems in the main BLP. – S. Rich (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm sure all the neutral info would be purged if it was merged. CM-DC surprisedtalk 16:46, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support It should be merged per WP:GNG unless more independent reliable sources are found and cited. Llll5032 (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TFD re H-H H book invite

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For editors who have interest in H-H H, I invite you to look at this TFD. – S. Rich (talk) 08:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]