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What Sellers did on Parkinson was perform an excerpt portraying the oddball New York character who wrote the musical ‘Springtime For Hitler’ which was the production featured in [[The Producers (musical)]]
What Sellers did on Parkinson was perform an excerpt portraying the oddball New York character who wrote the musical ‘Springtime For Hitler’ which was the production featured in [[The Producers (musical)]]


== Collapsed infobox ==
== Surname at birth ==


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Was Peter Sellers' birth name Richard Henry Seller or Richard Henry Seller'''s'''? I'm seeing some sources state that the "s" was only added later. [[User:HapHaxion|<b style="font-family: Tw Cen MT; color: FireBrick">HapHaxion</b>]] <sub>([[User talk:HapHaxion|talk]] / [[Special:Contribs/HapHaxion|contribs]])</sub> 00:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't see why we should collapse this infobox. In fact, I think that this breaks the rule of MOS:COLLAPSE. Why does every biographical article have an infobox for everybody to see perfectly, but here it is hidden out of sight. One of the reasons the box should be exposed upon landing on the page is that some people come to this article for a quick info glimpse and the infobox is great for summarising information instead of reading paragraphs just to get a certain point of info.


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:I checked the birth index and he was registered under Richard Henry Seller. His first two marriages (to Aspinwall-Howe and Ekland/Eklund) and his death are registered under the names Peter Sellers and Richard Henry Seller. I looked for his parents marriage and they married under the names William Seller and Agnes Doreen Ayres formerly Marks (I ordered it to make sure they were the right people). While his birth name is indeed Seller not Sellers, his parents deaths both appear to be under Sellers and his children are all registered as Sellers (Victoria's mothers maiden name is Ekland not Eklund as well.)
Quoting directly from Wikipedia Guidelines, "Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading", this collapsable infobox breaks this rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Scrolling_lists_and_collapsible_content). [[User:Pyraminxsolver|Pyraminxsolver]] ([[User talk:Pyraminxsolver|talk]]) 01:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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:I hope this information is helpful (I can go into more detail if you're interested)
:Agree. Seems like an infobox would be useful.[[User:Jojhutton|<span style="color:#A81933;">JOJ</span>]] [[User talk:Jojhutton|<sup style="color:#CC9900;">Hutton</sup>]] 01:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:If you read the entire guideline you cite, you will find that collapsing portions of infoboxes is specifically permitted. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 02:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
:[[User:Spamwebster|Spamwebster]] ([[User talk:Spamwebster|talk]]) 13:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


== Missing from the Filmography ==
I agree, think an infobox would be groovy, let's open that baby back up <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:PeterSelIers|PeterSelIers]] ([[User talk:PeterSelIers#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PeterSelIers|contribs]]) 12:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I emphatically support uncollapsing the infobox. When pretty much all similar articles' infoboxes are uncollapsed, and therefore readable at first glance, it's jarring to the average reader to find out they need to do another click to find out how old Sellers was when he died. Let's open it up for everyone without forcing them to open it themselves. [[User:Songwaters|Songwaters]] ([[User talk:Songwaters|talk]]) 21:43, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


Is there any particular reason why the 1968 Film - The Party - is missing from the Filmography section of the Article?
per [[WP:DONTHIDE]] {{tq|A few infoboxes also use pre-collapsed sections for infrequently accessed details. If information in a list, infobox, or other non-navigational content seems extraneous or trivial enough to inspire pre-collapsing it, consider raising a discussion on the article (or template) talk page about whether it should be included at all.}} I fail to see how the whole infobox is ''extraneous or trivial'' enough to warrant being pre-collapsed[[User:Blindlynx|—blindlynx]] ([[User talk:Blindlynx|talk]]) 17:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)


I'd like to add my voice. I agree, there's nothing trivial about the infobox. I really can't see any reason to keep it collapsed. [[User:Humbledaisy|Humbledaisy]] ([[User talk:Humbledaisy|talk]]) 23:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Has anyone complained about him playing an Indian Actor in body makeup? [[User:Steve s brook|Steve s brook]] ([[User talk:Steve s brook|talk]]) 22:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
* I also believe that the infobox would be better uncollapsed. If not completely (but why not?), at least when and where he was born and died (standard for biographies) and why we have an article for him, [[Peter Sellers on stage, radio, screen and record]] which surprisingly is not even there yet. I'll add it. I don't think it's fair to force handicapped readers to an extra click to see that, - we do have readers for whom hitting the little "show" button is a problem. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:48, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
:* Adding my support as well. A [[Talk:Frank_Sinatra#RFC:_Uncollapse_infobox|similar discussion on Frank Sinatra]] yielded consensus to uncollapse. I think all the arguments there apply here, especially with respect to accessibility and reader expectations (the "collapsed infobox" is not a common pattern as far as I can tell). At the time of that discussion I was lead to believe these changes required some sort of global site consensus. I no longer see any reason that should be the case. [[User:Dylnuge|<span style="color: #1e79a1;font-weight:700;">Dylnuge</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dylnuge|''Talk'']] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylnuge|''Edits'']])</sup> 16:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
::*Arguments made at another article don't apply here; if they did, there are several points made there re: remaining collapsed that would seem relevant. But with regards to the accessibility concern, the uncollapse is tab-accessible for those who may have challenges with clicking. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 22:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
:::* I'm a newbie so plz feel free to put me in my place but how does one open it up so that we may reach a new consensus on what to do with the page presently? [[User:PeterSelIers|PeterSelIers]] ([[User talk:PeterSelIers|talk]]) 23:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
:::* I also agree that we need to uncollapse the infobox. There is no need for it, and in fact makes it worse for people who might be disabled and not able to click easily. [[Special:Contributions/101.103.133.192|101.103.133.192]] ([[User talk:101.103.133.192|talk]]) 09:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)


== Peter Sellers Infobox RfC ==
== Summary of Changes ==
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|result = This discussion has been quiet for 5 days; hence, [[WP:WHENCLOSE]] is met.


1. Inclusion of birth name in infobox (Richard Henry Sellers).
There appears to be a '''clear consensus to uncollapse the infobox'''. The vast majority of editors see the infobox being collapsed as a nuisance to the reader and many cited [[MOS:DONTHIDE]]. The few people opposing the change mainly saw the collapse as a compromise between those in favor of having an infobox and those not. However, this stance was overwhelmingly rejected by the community.
2. Two references have dead links (fixed one and replaced the other with a different citation and changed the sentence with information from alternate citation).
3. Added influence sentence to lead. [[User:Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY|Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY]] ([[User talk:Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY|talk]]) 09:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)


:Hi [[User:Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY|Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY]], thanks for bringing this to the talk page. However, at this point some of your changes have been [[WP:Reverting|reverted]] by multiple editors, so it would be best to seek [[WP:CON|consensus]] for those. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 04:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
There was an additional discussion regarding what the infobox should contain. There appeared to be strong support (literally no opposition, and 7 supporting votes) for the parameters proposed by {{u|Songwaters}}. Editors, including Songwaters, contended that this was the standard info provided in similar biographies and was generally useful for the reader. Based on that, there is a '''consensus for the inclusion of these parameters in the infobox: image, date of birth, place of birth, date of death, place of death, occupation, years active, spouses, and children'''. There were other parameters mentioned by other editors, but no other parameters besides the one's listed by Songwater's gained a consensus. There is '''no consensus regarding the inclusion or exclusion of any other parameters'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|Iamreallygoodatcheckers]] ([[User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|talk]]) 06:06, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

NOTE: There has been some confusion regarding my closing. The consensus for the inclusion of the parameters listed by Songwaters does not negate the addition of any other parameters. Any parameters not listed by Songwaters should be treated with the normal [[WP:BRD]] cycle. The consensus does not say that the parameters listed by Songwaters are the only parameters warranted in the infobox. This RfC should not be cited for removing any paramters besides the ones listed by Songwaters. Hopefully, thats a good clarification. [[User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|Iamreallygoodatcheckers]] ([[User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|talk]]) 17:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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Should we uncollapse the infobox? [[User:Songwaters|Songwaters]] ([[User talk:Songwaters|talk]]) 00:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

*'''Support''' as proposer. When pretty much all similar articles' infoboxes are uncollapsed, and therefore readable at first glance, it's jarring to the average reader to find out they need to do another click to find out how old Sellers was when he died. It's an annoying hindrance to accessibility and reader experience, which are far more important than whether some editors think infoboxes are "ugly". Let's open it up for everyone without forcing them to open it themselves. [[User:Songwaters|Songwaters]] ([[User talk:Songwaters|talk]]) 00:52, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The problem with collapsed infoboxes or no infoboxes at all is that they make using Wikipedia more difficut and less useful for many readers. This is confirmed through dozens and dozens of requests at the few articles that are still missing infoboxes. Readers don't like using Wikipedia if it is going to be difficult to read or navagate, even if a small minority of active editors are still clinging to the outdated belief that infoboxes are unnecessary. Nobody starts an RFC or complains that an article has an infobox, only when one is missing.--[[User:Jojhutton|<span style="color:#A81933;">JOJ</span>]] [[User talk:Jojhutton|<span style="color:#CC9900;"><sup>Hutton</sup></span>]] 01:15, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''', I hoped this stuff was mainly settled long ago. Absent a very strong reason not to do so, the article should have an infobox in standard, uncollapsed format. "I dislike infoboxes in general" does not constitute such a reason, and reading through prior discussions, that is the only thing that was advanced. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 02:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*: no, the typical comment I see is not "I don't like them" but: "the editors of this featured article have decided ..." (see Ezra Pound and Cosima Wagner), sometimes described as a consensus, and I don't believe that we should let ''accessibility'' rest on the decisions of the authors. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Oh aye, right you are. [[User:EnlightenmentNow1792|EnlightenmentNow1792]] ([[User talk:EnlightenmentNow1792|talk]]) 04:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Not while it contains useless information such as that London is in England, and per previous consensus. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 05:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - For usability. An infobox is less usable when collapsed. Also, to reply to Johnbod above, having the fact that London is in England would distinguish it from [[London, France]], [[London, Ohio]], [[London, Kentucky]]... the list actually goes on quite a bit[https://londonist.com/london/features/places-named-london-that-aren-t-the-london]. There's LOTS of Londons in the world, and no reason why a birthplace or deathplace would necessarily be only the biggest one. So yes, if you say "London", adding "England" is a good idea. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 06:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
**The communitity long ago decided otherwise - see [[MOS:OVERLINK]], where it is specifically mentioned. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
***Are you simply objecting to it being wikilinked? Then unlink it and leave it as text. Why is this a problem? [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 00:25, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. If a parameter of information is useless that can be discussed. To distinguish Londons is a good idea, per above comment. [[User:Jojhutton|JOJ]], I fixed your signature, I don't know if an accident happened or if the end for font comes too late in your definition. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
**The communitity long ago decided otherwise - see [[MOS:OVERLINK]], where it is specifically mentioned. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - It baffles me that there's still so much opposition to infoboxes when it's clear than they are extremely useful to readers. Even more, having an infobox, but collapsing it by default seems like a compromise measure that doesn't really please anyone. [[User:PraiseVivec|PraiseVivec]] ([[User talk:PraiseVivec|talk]]) 11:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this subject is the only reason I made an account on here. I'm so glad you've opened this up for discussion, thank you! [[User:PeterSelIers|''peter sellers is my best friend'']] 12:05, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - even without [[Special:Diff/1070365911|the recent trimming]] (which doesn't really seem needed in my opinion), this infobox is ridiculously short and I see no good reason to keep it collapsed. [[User:Remagoxer|<span style="color: #0a826b;">'''Rema'''</span><span style="color: #c91f0c;">'''goxer'''</span>]] [[User talk:Remagoxer|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:22, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It is just better to see within a glance the info box, taking the time to click to view takes away from the experience. [[User:Tepkunset|Tepkunset]] ([[User talk:Tepkunset|talk]]) 17:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Infoboxes are useful and accessible for all. [[User:Humbledaisy|Humbledaisy]] ([[User talk:Humbledaisy|talk]]) 19:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Was done to be a compromise between those who wanted no infobox and those who wanted one, and no basic biographical details of Sellers have changed since then for me to justify removing this compromise solution. [[User:Spy-cicle|<span style='color: 4019FF;'><b>&nbsp;Spy-cicle💥&nbsp;</b></span>]] [[User talk:Spy-cicle#top|<sup><span style='color: #1e1e1e;'><b>'''''Talk'''''?</b></span></sup>]] 17:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''', per [[MOS:DONTHIDE]]. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 23:16, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
::The history shows (accurately) that I reverted your support BillMammal. It was not an intentional rollback. Big thumb. Sorry about that. [[User:Moriori|Moriori]] ([[User talk:Moriori|talk]]) 06:55, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:DONTHIDE]], I don't see a reason why this has a collapsed infobox, and is also not standard with other biographical articles in Wikipedia. [[User:Pyraminxsolver|Pyraminxsolver]] ([[User talk:Pyraminxsolver|talk]]) 23:15, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''', it felt like such an obvious improvement that I did it myself before realizing there was a discussion ongoing and self-reverted. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 14:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:DONTHIDE]]—[[user:blindlynx|blindlynx]] 21:28, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Given the number of and arguments for support, and since it's been about a week since any opposition has been presented without any follow up arguments, I think we have a clear consensus to remove the collapsing features. I am going to go ahead and do so. As someone included in the discussion though, if anyone thinks this discussion is in some way ambiguous, we can continue the conversation and revert it back to status quo. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 14:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
:[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]], given that you participated in the discussion, and particularly given that you were among those who did not put forward any substantive reasoning, it would be best to self-revert. There are still issues warranting discussion here, particularly the matter of [[MOS:DONTHIDE]] and whether extraneous detail ought to be included. Some comments above focus on whether there should be an infobox at all rather than what should actually be displayed. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 14:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::I did not feel the need to reiterate the arguments set forth. Simply restating the solid reasoning presented before me would not have made my arguments any more substantive. Given the overwhelming support for removing the collapsing feature, do you think consensus could be reached in the other direction for that aspect of the discussion? If not, then it should probably be left, and a separate discussion started on the content that should be included in the infobox. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 14:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
:::Since consensus is not a vote, there is room for more nuanced outcomes than simply yes/no. I don't see a reason to cut off that possibility. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 14:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::::Nothing is being cut off. The discussion can continue about what should be included in the infobox; one of the reasons I didn't formally close the discussion was to allow it to continue in this direction if necessary. However, I don't see a reason to revert the clear consensus to remove the collapsing feature unless you think that ''that particular aspect'' of the discussion (which was what the RfC was explicitly about) could be overturned with further discussion. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 14:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::Nikkimaria, I have a question for you. Why are you trying so hard to keep the infobox collapsed, [[Special:Permalink/591805890|since 2014?]] [[User:Pyraminxsolver|Pyraminxsolver]] ([[User talk:Pyraminxsolver|talk]]) 23:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::That's been the compromise position between those in favour of and those against an infobox here for years, even before 2014. Part of the issue at play is the inclusion of extraneous detail like the dates of divorce. With the collapse in place, it's not much of a problem; with it removed, we're giving that more prominence than is warranted, and obscuring details that are actually significant. [[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]], that is part of why [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Peter_Sellers&type=revision&diff=1072006764&oldid=1072004542&diffmode=source this] is such a problematic cutting off of discussion: it presumes that the only possible outcome to this RfC is either collapse or don't, whereas there is still room for a compromise position. The arguments put forward for not collapsing largely do not address what should appear in an uncollapsed template, but make more general points or none at all. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 01:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, this is an entirely sensible position. Am I the only one who finds the sudden influx of Peter Sellers fans a tad suspicious? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::{{u|Johnbod}}: Suspicious how? Are you making an accusation of canvassing? Because no one was pinged or emailed. {{u|Nikkimaria}}: Finding out whether or not to uncollapse the infobox is ''the whole point'' of this RfC. I did not ask what should appear in the infobox, only whether we should open it up so that readers can glance at it without having to give an extra click. That's what this is about. [[User:Songwaters|Songwaters]] ([[User talk:Songwaters|talk]]) 02:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::: can't speak on behalf of anyone else but I've been simply waiting until this discussion arose (because of course it would, anyone following the page will have seen the constant back & forth) so I could join in. Of course the kind of people who will interact on a Peter Sellers page will be fans of Peter Sellers. It's not suspicious at all, and besides, wanting an infobox is not malicious so there's no need to be defensive. I wish I knew what I was being accused of. [[User:PeterSelIers|''peter sellers is my best friend'']] 13:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::: I'm not really sure what the implication is here by {{u|Johnbod}}, but I'd like to keep the discussion on topic. Regardless of what is in the infobox, the unambiguous consensus has become to uncollapse the infobox, an action I have performed and is unlikely to be overturned by further discussion. I think the best way forward is to start a new thread discussing the contents of the infobox. This is a separate (albeit related) subject, and by refocusing the discussion on this topic people can choose to make arguments about what should appear in the newly decided state of the infobox (something not everybody did when the discussion was only on the option of it being collapsed or not, as you mentioned). I hope this help keep the discussion moving and you can unambiguously present your arguments. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 03:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::You might want to read [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Ending_RfCs]]! You are hardly uninvolved, and should not have jumped the gun. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 03:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I was careful to do just that before removing the collapsing feature. Particularly, reason 5 was relevant, stating "If the consensus is clear, any editor—even one involved in the discussion—may close the discussion." The overwhelming amount of support for the initial focus of the RFC was unambiguous, and no arguments had been made for about a week, so I took the action determined. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 03:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


===What information should be included in the infobox?===
Per the discussion above, I have started a new discussion on the state of the infobox. Pinging all previously involved parties: {{u|Songwaters}} {{u|Jojhutton}} {{u|Seraphimblade}} {{u|Gerda Arendt}} {{u|EnlightenmentNow1792}} {{u|Johnbod}} {{u|Fieari}} {{u|PraiseVivec}} {{u|Remagoxer}} {{u|Tepkunset}} {{u|Humbledaisy}} {{u|Spy-cicle}} {{u|BilledMammal}} {{u|Moriori}} {{u|Pyraminxsolver}} {{u|Nikkimaria}}
What information should be kept or removed from the infobox? --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 03:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
::You are VERY far from "pinging all previously involved parties" - you have just done those from the most recent discussions above. Typical. There are plenty more in the discussions from not so long ago in the archives. You should do them as well. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:::Yeesh. I was simply giving a courtesy ping to those that were immediately involved in the discussion directly above that this one was an evolution of, since they might not have been expecting this discussion to continue and would want to be involved. It would totally be fine to notify people who have been involved in a related discussion previously and I encourage you to do so, which you could've done without being so aggressive, with whatever "Typical" means. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 16:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

*Keep birth date and place, death date and place, image, and occupation. Revert the involved closure until the question of what exactly will be uncollapsed is addressed. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 03:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Image''', '''date of birth''', '''place of birth''', '''date of death''', '''place of death''', '''occupation''', '''years active''', '''spouses''', and '''children'''. These are standard in entertainer infoboxes. [[User:Songwaters|Songwaters]] ([[User talk:Songwaters|talk]]) 03:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:*What parameters to use is decided on a case-by-case basis; there is no "standard". And years active is particularly useless in this case since it's essentially lifespan. [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 03:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:Keep what Songwaters said. [[User:Pyraminxsolver|Pyraminxsolver]] ([[User talk:Pyraminxsolver|talk]]) 03:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Agree with Songwaters''' for consistency across articles and ease of access to useful information. The inclusion of <s>years active</s>, spouses, and children are informative, standard, and critical to the life of the subject. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 03:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
:*I'd also be fine not include years active per {{u|Gerda Arendt}} below, especially if it proves controversial, though my slight preference would be including it. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 17:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*Per Songwaters, provided, of course, that the material in question is reliably sourced (if it is sourced within the article itself, the sourcing need not be duplicated in the infobox). If all of that information is verified by reliable sources, it should be present in the infobox. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 04:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
* I support that the content when the infobox was collapsed (listed by Songwaters) should be retained, as having been stable for a long time. Only changes would need a discussion. I don't need "years active" (ever), raising the question active in which function, - too complex for a person who did many things. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Agree with Songwaters''' - none of this is excessive but a lot of it is very useful to have at a quick glance. [[User:Remagoxer|<span style="color: #0a826b;">'''Rema'''</span><span style="color: #c91f0c;">'''goxer'''</span>]] [[User talk:Remagoxer|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Agree with Songwaters''' - common sense selection as far as I can tell. I personally also like a "notable works" section, but I know not everybody agrees with me on that so it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. [[User:PraiseVivec|PraiseVivec]] ([[User talk:PraiseVivec|talk]]) 10:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*: We could easily add '''his works''': {{para|work}}[[Peter Sellers on stage, radio, screen and record]] (even [[Beethoven]] has that) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*::That article is currently used for his occupation. I think the "occupation" parameter is more critical, so it might be best to stick with how it currently is in that regard. --[[User:Cerebral726|Cerebral726]] ([[User talk:Cerebral726|talk]]) 13:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*: I'm still a newbie here and will take any guidance, but something I've always wanted to add was his signature, my friend and I collect a lot and I could probably make a really nice transparent scan for it, the only thing stopping me is I don't want to clog up the edit history which is mainly reserved for people collapsing and uncollapsing the infobox these days. Though maybe for his page specifically, a signature isn't worthwhile. But I do think his family is incredibly relevant, I did see that get reverted a while ago even though it's the kind of information I check this website for :) [[User:PeterSelIers|''peter sellers is my best friend'']] 13:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Songwaters + Signature''' - The signature, if available, is widely used on other biographical articles, and is a very good fit for an infobox. If [[User:PeterSelIers|''peter sellers is my best friend'']] can get us a good scan, great! Throw that in! I think I'd recommend against "his works" simply because the occupation already links to that article, so it'd be redundant. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] ([[User talk:Fieari|talk]]) 01:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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== Surname at birth ==

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Was Peter Sellers' birth name Richard Henry Seller or Richard Henry Seller'''s'''? I'm seeing some sources state that the "s" was only added later. [[User:HapHaxion|<b style="font-family: Tw Cen MT; color: FireBrick">HapHaxion</b>]] <sub>([[User talk:HapHaxion|talk]] / [[Special:Contribs/HapHaxion|contribs]])</sub> 00:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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:I checked the birth index and he was registered under Richard Henry Seller. His first two marriages (to Aspinwall-Howe and Ekland/Eklund) and his death are registered under the names Peter Sellers and Richard Henry Seller. I looked for his parents marriage and they married under the names William Seller and Agnes Doreen Ayres formerly Marks (I ordered it to make sure they were the right people). While his birth name is indeed Seller not Sellers, his parents deaths both appear to be under Sellers and his children are all registered as Sellers (Victoria's mothers maiden name is Ekland not Eklund as well.)
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:I hope this information is helpful (I can go into more detail if you're interested)
:[[User:Spamwebster|Spamwebster]] ([[User talk:Spamwebster|talk]]) 13:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Gestapo?

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‘When he was told he could come on as someone else, he appeared dressed as a member of the Gestapo.’

What?

What Sellers did on Parkinson was perform an excerpt portraying the oddball New York character who wrote the musical ‘Springtime For Hitler’ which was the production featured in The Producers (musical)

Surname at birth

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Was Peter Sellers' birth name Richard Henry Seller or Richard Henry Sellers? I'm seeing some sources state that the "s" was only added later. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 00:11, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the birth index and he was registered under Richard Henry Seller. His first two marriages (to Aspinwall-Howe and Ekland/Eklund) and his death are registered under the names Peter Sellers and Richard Henry Seller. I looked for his parents marriage and they married under the names William Seller and Agnes Doreen Ayres formerly Marks (I ordered it to make sure they were the right people). While his birth name is indeed Seller not Sellers, his parents deaths both appear to be under Sellers and his children are all registered as Sellers (Victoria's mothers maiden name is Ekland not Eklund as well.)
I hope this information is helpful (I can go into more detail if you're interested)
Spamwebster (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Missing from the Filmography

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Is there any particular reason why the 1968 Film - The Party - is missing from the Filmography section of the Article?

Has anyone complained about him playing an Indian Actor in body makeup? Steve s brook (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Summary of Changes

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1. Inclusion of birth name in infobox (Richard Henry Sellers). 2. Two references have dead links (fixed one and replaced the other with a different citation and changed the sentence with information from alternate citation). 3. Added influence sentence to lead. Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY (talk) 09:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chirpy-slirpy-BURPY, thanks for bringing this to the talk page. However, at this point some of your changes have been reverted by multiple editors, so it would be best to seek consensus for those. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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