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While adding a moveset is fine, if you're going to do it, at least make it legible and complete. As it stands, the moveset was ugly, crunched together, and incomplete. And so much expansion on the Dancing Blade (forward-B) was unnecessary. If you all really think it's necessary, I'll just help clean it up next time. Any thoughts? -[[User:StryfeX|Stryfe]] 19:56, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to clean up all of these PoV articles in relation to SSBM. I don't know what this is all about, but their is no 'tier' system. I have replaced this with the comments given in the strategy book by Nintendo Power, which is officially endorsed by Nintendo, a far more balanced and fair source.

The tier system is used by the online Smash community. It comes from Smashboard's Melee Back Room (where many of the top-level players meet) and is accepted by the community as ''the'' tier list. It isn't POV because it merely reflects the sentiments of the community - it does not state outright that Marth ''is'' one of the best three characters in the game. The Nintendo Power ratings, by the way, are complete rubbish - to a much greater extent than it is "official." [[User:MaskedSheik|MaskedSheik]] 23:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I went along and deleted where it said Marth has difficulties attacking behind him. You could say the same for most smash characters as well. Marth can at least do a smash Back A to hit those behind him. -[[User:Nicknyte|Nicknyte]] 00:30, May 16, 2006

== Images are needed! ==

I could post images but I for one don't make my own graphics nor do I have any contact with others who design their own graphics. If you are able to obtain or make your own graphics of Marth (no fanart), than I'd like to ask if someone could replace the "No Image Yet" spaces with the images as told in the captions. '''Remember they must BE of Marth only!'''
[[User:Samusfan80|Samusfan80]] 21:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:On a related note, does anyone know where official art of FE3 (especially Marth) can be found? I've searched the web over and have not found anything [[User:Xubelox|Xubelox]] 21:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
::I have found a page of FE3 from the official Intelligent Systems website of the first 5 games which the web page is no longer updated and I think now Intelligent Systems uses a new and improved FE Series altho the older site still exists, if you can gain permission or whatever, please do so!!
::The link can be found here also note this web page is in Japanese only:

::*[http://www.intsys.co.jp/game/fireemblem/series/fe3/]
::[[User:Samusfan80|Samusfan80]] 01:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I've found large and high quality official art of Marth from both FE1 and FE3, that doesn't seem to be on the Intelligent Systems website. I think it might have been scanned from someone's guidebook or something. Either way, I don't know how to put the image or copyright inferences up. I've preserved the original filenames, but I don't remember exactly where I got the FE3 image from; I think it was a Nintendo Forum. [[User:Mukino|Mukino]] 11:46, 26 November 2006


Is this pic ok? http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/121/p0521061441ty1.jpg I took it a pic of my TV while playing Super Smash Bros. Melee. And I know it isnt of good quality. I have others as well.[[User:EXP282|staceeSHAW]] 05:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::[[User:silver777|silver777]] 05:23, 30 december 2006 (UTC)
:::This is the official picture of Marth[[http:/upwiki/wikipedia/en/8/8e/MarthSNES.jpg]]I found this from someone at deviantart.com who says that he bought the game and found this image in it[[http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32829407/]]

== Difficulty of use ==

As a Marth player for over 3 years, I feel the statement that Marth is difficult to use in competitive play a bit biased. He's more difficult to use in beginner play where dealing damage is stressed more heavily, but as you move on to a more advanced level, he only requires precision and the ability to not take hits, whereas other characters, such as Fox or Falco, require combos to be set up and repeated with accuracy AND precision. [[User:71.99.120.11|71.99.120.11]] 15:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Gah, forgot to log in...the above comment was written by me. [[User:Jgamekeeper|Jgamekeeper]] 15:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

== "Soku da" vs "Soko da" ==

I'm relatively sure what Marth says when countering an attack in Super Smash Bros. Melee is "soko da", and not "soku da." Is there a legitimate source for the info? "Soko da" is an incredibly commonly used statement in Japanese, yet I've never even heard the word "soku".

Though it's a relatively minor discrepancy, I just want to be sure.
[[User:Darkslime|Darkslime]] 17:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

: I'm pretty sure it's soko da. In [[Romaji]], many words with a "u" at the end have a silent "u" sound. The one, The only: [[User:FrogTape|FrogTape]] 01:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

== Marth's Gender ==

Reading this page, I can't help to notice that Marth is sometimes 'he' and sometimes 'she'. On this page, in the box on the right, it says Princess, but on the pages of the two games it says he's a prince. Can someone who knows which one is right fix it? [[User:131.155.116.184|131.155.116.184]] 13:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:It's pretty obvious it was the work of a vandal. >_< -[[User:Cartoonmaster|Cartoonmaster]] 00:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::Marth is definitely Male, as seen from in-game text of Super Smash Bros. Melee, the Smash bros. website, and his male sounding voice, as well as his physical appearance. I fixed numerous of these errors, though I don't think I found them all. -[[User:Alreajk|Alreajk]] ([[User talk:Alreajk|talk]]) 03:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:::''Afterwards, Marth gets gay married to Sheeda for the insurance and spends her time rebuilding Akaneia.'' Yup, proof of Vandalism right there. I think I got most or not all of the anomalies. -[[User:Alreajk|Alreajk]] ([[User talk:Alreajk|talk]]) 03:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Last name, counter quotes, changes, and manga ==

I watched a fansubbed version of the Fire Emblem OVA and he introduced himself as "Marth Lowell" ("Boku wa Marusu... Marusu Roweru, Aritia no ouji," I think is what he said. [Translation: I am Marth... Marth Lowell, Prince of Aritia.] And in that order, not reversed like Japanese traditionally do with their names. Is that because FE games are based on mostly European mythology?)
Other people on the Internet also say that his last name is Lowell. Can anyone else verify this romanization? Can I put it in the article?

Also, when Marth performs a counter in SSBM, he doesn't only say "Soko da" - he can say two other things. Can anyone translate the other two? &nbsp; -[[User:Cartoonmaster|Cartoonmaster]] 00:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and are we going to include changes in his/Falchion's appearance throughout the series? (ex: his pants/lack thereof ~♥)

...And what about the Fire Emblem manga by Maki Hadoka? Is that noteworthy? &nbsp; -[[User:Cartoonmaster|Cartoonmaster]] 00:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

:Though I can't be sure without playing it right now I'm pretty sure when he counters he either says "soko da" or "saseru ka?" [[User:86.129.241.207|86.129.241.207]] 18:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

::Hm, it sounds something more like "Saseru mono ka", which, if "saseru" means "to make/let someone do" and "mono ka" is a strong negation comparable to "never," I'm gonna guess it means something like "I'll never let you!" or something?

::Mm, here's confirmation: [[http://smashboards.com/archive/index.php/t-63531.html]]

::And "mikita" is how you spell the other one. (My instincts were right..hehe.. But it never hurts to check) Mikita means "I see through it [the attack]" because "mikiru" means "to see everything"

::In the end, I guess it doesn't really matter for Wikipedia beyond knowing trivia now that the quotes are no longer here... But it's fun figuring it all out anyways, as a Marth cosplayer and fangirl ^_^ &nbsp; --[[User:Cartoonmaster|Cartoonmaster]] 06:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== GA push ==

I'll try to get this to GA. I don't see any reason why it can't reach that staus. Thank you. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 09:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:For a start, I assume it was decided to use the names used in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''? I can't help but think it would be better to use the official (Japanese) names, which were used in the actual ''Fire Emblem'' games. For example, Akaneia instead of Altea. That said, is it preferred to use the English names were possible? [[User:Aveyn Knight|Aveyn Knight]] 20:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The general rule is that if something is '''officially''' mentioned in its English form, then we should use English as opposed to Japanese. As far as I know, Nintendo have mentioned both Marth and Akanea officially. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 06:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

One thing, I haven't played this game, but is it Akanea or Akaneia? Is Altea separate from Akanea or not? Are they the same thing? Anyway, most things are done now, so I'm nominating it for GA. There's a long list, so it will take a while. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 06:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't played the game, so please tell me if there are any incosistencies, Aveyn. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 06:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:As much as I don't like it, I guess that is the answer that I need. It just seems a tiny bit strange, being a ''Fire Emblem'' fan, myself, and having to use names that more-or-less alien to me (I haven't played ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''), and likely others. That said, I think more people know Marth from ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' than ''Fire Emblem'', in the West at least.

:Anyway, the official term in-game used is Akaneia. I'm pretty sure it appears on a map in-game. If not (I haven't played it in a while), it also appears heavily in other sources, like the guidebooks, ''Fire Emblem'' World site (the official one, not the fan one) and others. Akaneia is the name of the continent of the game, as well as the name of the most prominent country- which Princess Niena hails from, and which becomes the Akaneia Empire in Book 2 of the game. Altea/Aritia is a country within the continent of Akaneia. [[User:Aveyn Knight|Aveyn Knight]] 13:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

::Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 14:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, I can see what I did there. In my first comment, I meant to write "Akaneia instead of Akanea", and not "Akaneia instead of Altea". That's what happens when I'm not used to the names. I'll change all the occurences of Akaneia back into Akanea, since Akanea was used in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee''. [[User:Aveyn Knight|Aveyn Knight]] 16:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:No problem. I'm error-prone myself. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 17:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how this article can reach GA status (or even survive AFD) without out of universe information. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 21:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:It has. [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 21:04, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Umm, what? I mean how the character has been created, cultural impact and so on. See for example [[Characters of Final Fantasy VIII]]. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 21:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

:That information just simply isn't available. You know, I don't just pick and choose for these articles; if the information was out there, then I'd include it. It isn't&mdash;there's nothing I can do about that. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 16:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

:As for AfD, that's a matter of notability, which this has. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 16:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

::[[WP:FICTION]] states that "fictional concepts are notable if they contain substantial real-world content from reliable primary and secondary sources". If this subject (as in this case Marth) doesn't have that "real-world content", it's not notable. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 22:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

:Do you know what real-world content is? It would be totally in-universe if it mentioned the plot summary alone and was written as if it was real. However, this has information about how he is notable. As in, he popularised ''Fire Emblem'' in the West. He was the introduction to ''Fire Emblem''. The whole SSBM section is written out-of-universe. This is as well as the anime. Have you even read the article? [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 14:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

"fictional concepts are notable if they contain substantial ''''real-world content from reliable primary and secondary sources'''". This article has that. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 14:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

::Well, I don't think that's enough but anyway that's up to the GA reviewer to decide. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 23:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

:The matter of whether or not it is notable enough is an AfD matter. As this hasn't been proposed for merger or deletion, GA is a matter of the article's quality. Thanks. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 15:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

::It ties with one of GA criteria: broad in coverage. --[[User:Mika1h|Mika1h]] 20:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

:It couldn't possibly be broader with the information that is now on the internet. The only thing missing is his conception and creation (which isn't accessible), but that doesn't stop it from being broad, it just stops it from being comprehensive. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 20:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== GA not passed ==

This article is not broad in its coverage (3a). Video game characters absolutely need to have information on their concept and creation. Articles such as [[Aerith Gainsborough]] and [[Princess Peach]] have been delisted for not including such coeverage. All [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Good articles|Video game Good articles]] have information on their development. I cannot in good conscience pass this article when it does not meet that standard. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] 03:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== questzion ==

is marth gay cuz else y would he carry a sword? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.215.168.209|131.215.168.209]] ([[User talk:131.215.168.209|talk]]) 06:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please die. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.90.122.82|65.90.122.82]] ([[User talk:65.90.122.82|talk]]) 16:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Marth in Brawl? ==

Um, could we get some citation for this? I certainly haven't seen anything along the likes of Marth being in Brawl yet. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.74.241.216|130.74.241.216]] ([[User talk:130.74.241.216|talk]]) 14:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I've removed it as there's no source, which I'll be looking out for in the meantime. Thanks. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 17:06, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

:: There is to if this isn't real I'm an ASS http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30051.html [[User:BaconBoy914|BaconBoy914]] ([[User talk:BaconBoy914|talk]]) 01:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes. If you'd look, the info is now sourced and on the article. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 07:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

::::I made a minor edit stating that Marth uses the same voice actor from SSBM as he does for SSBB. Evidence at 2:36: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KLx1vTusps Same voice as that of SSBM's Marth. [[User:Mitcjase|Mitcjase]] ([[User talk:Mitcjase|talk]]) 04:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sakurai confirmed Marth on smashbros.com[[User:Geh heh heh|Geh heh heh]] ([[User talk:Geh heh heh|talk]]) 15:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

Shouldn't the top picture of the character be of the game the character is from instead of [[ssbb|Brawl]]?
You don't see [[Cloud Strife]]'s picture being of Kingdom Hearts even though it's a more recent game, because it's unrelated to the original game. --[[User:AnY FOUR!|AnY FOUR!]] ([[User talk:AnY FOUR!|talk]]) 13:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Response: Then why don't we change Mario's main picture to his NES sprite? Why not do that to Link, Zelda, and others?

The SSBB offical portrait of Marth is much better quality than the original picture on this page; You can't deny that.

This shouldn't be a big deal in the first place, anyway. --[[User:Bossadai|Bossadai]] ([[User talk:Bossadai|talk]]) 14:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sick of Marth being called a female ==

Am I the only one who's getting incredibly sick and tired of all the text that says '''HE'S''' a girl?! [[Special:Contributions/65.90.122.82|65.90.122.82]] ([[User talk:65.90.122.82|talk]]) 16:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:You aren't the only one. At least it's possible to undo any vandalism that states that. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] ([[User talk:Evice|talk]]) 04:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

==Assessment==
Hey, I'm your assessor from Wikiproject Video games. I see that the article is now in the B-class range. I believe something needs to be done with the localization section (since it is so short), and the header image doesn't seem appropriate for English Wikipedia. As for pros, this article is filled with references, and the style of writing is satisfactory. Good job! With a lot more work, you guys can easily achieve GA.--[[User:Haha169|haha169]] ([[User talk:Haha169|talk]]) 21:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you. It would be spectacular if you could relay this to [[User:Ashnard|Ashnard]] before he starts attempting to merge the article again. - [[User:Norse Am Legend|Norse Am Legend]] ([[User talk:Norse Am Legend|talk]]) 03:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::I've got this watchlisted. Please, if any of you can get some valid information relating to Concept and Creation and Reception then be my guest to use it. I won't wait with bated breath though. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 08:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::: Should we merge though just because we don't have Concept and, Creation and Receptions section? The fact that it is a B-Class article '''suggests''' it '''maybe''' worth keeping and just because we can't find Concept and, Creation and Reception now doesn't mean we can't at a later date. I'm not an assessor or a fan of Fire Emblem but perhaps if we could expand the localization section it could reach A-class? --[[User:Sin Harvest|Sin Harvest]] ([[User talk:Sin Harvest|talk]]) 01:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I did one google news search and came up with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Marth_%28Fire_Emblem%29&diff=208339510&oldid=208253941 this]. It's not a lot, but it's something. What's available with a news search changes every 30 days or so. I don't think the problem is that Marth isn't notable, it's just that we arent' checking often enough. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 06:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, Peregrine. Mind you, that one may be a bit misleading as, in the source, the main characters are mentioned generically, so they're not actually talking about Marth specifically here. It is a reference to the Fire Emblem lords and not Marth. I must also say that the rest of "Reception" isn't actually "reception" and shouldn't exist unless it's labeled under a different topic. To Sin Harvest, we shouldn't preserve an article on the hope that material may one day become avilable for it. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 08:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm not solely suggesting that we hang onto this article until the Concept and Creation and Receptions information becomes available I just pointed out that it could be found at a later date. My main point is that as a B-rated article it does contain a fair amount of properly sourced and relevant information '''perhaps''' enough to for this article to remain as it's own article though that maybe pushing it. --[[User:Sin Harvest|Sin Harvest]] ([[User talk:Sin Harvest|talk]]) 08:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Norse, surely you're not using underhand tactics to gain [http://uk.gamespot.com/gba/strategy/fireemblem/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-41316089&pid=468480 support]? I apologise if that isn't you. [[User:Ashnard|<font color="green">'''Ashnard'''</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:Ashnard|'''<font color="red">Talk</font>''']]</sub> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ashnard|'''<font color="black">'''Contribs'''</font>''']]</sup> 10:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

:Eh, I don't go to GameSpot. - [[User:Norse Am Legend|Norse Am Legend]] ([[User talk:Norse Am Legend|talk]]) 23:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== Costumes in Brawl? ==

In ''Brawl'', isn't Marth's 6th and final costume (the light blue one) exactly the same as his appearance from his official ''Monshō no Nazo'' artwork? I don't think that piece of info is enitrely notable, but I wanted to bring it up. [[User:ChromeWulf ZX|ChromeWulf ZX]] ([[User talk:ChromeWulf ZX|talk]]) 20:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:It's interesting, but it would probably fall under the trivia category (trivia sections are generally not found on Wikipedia these days). --[[User:Evice|Evice]] ([[User talk:Evice|talk]]) 04:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

== Notability ==

I'm sure Marth being your favorite [[SSBM|sooper smash broze melee]] character is what keeps this page alive, that alone isn't enough to keep him here. What should define his page existence instead is his role in the Fire Emblem games, and since that is done well enough I suppose, let me ask a question.

Why Marth, but none of the other lords? True, Marth is more ''popular'', but that doesn't make him any more or less iconic than the other lords. Ike and Roy especially deserve their own pages since they're as involved in other games as Marth, but the other lords that serve as main characters need their own pages as well. Unlike [[Mario]] or [[Link_(The_Legend_of_Zelda)|Link]], Marth does not appear in every single game in the series. Each game has it's own lead characters, and that alone should give each one it's own page. I imagine it would be the same way if every other Mario or Zelda game had a protagonist with a different name.

Signing with my IP because Wikipedia doesn't remember my user name and I'm not going to sign up again for this one post. Useless piece of garbage. [[Special:Contributions/71.214.174.131|71.214.174.131]] ([[User talk:71.214.174.131|talk]]) 16:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

:[[WP:N]] states that the actual notability of a fictional person/object is totally irrelevant to whether they get to have an article or not. What matters is if some random dude on a website the maintainers of [[WP:V]] like mentions the fictional subject in some random fan article. Certain main characters of TV series have articles solely because some douche on IGN said "I like their hair", while others with the same or higher amount of notability don't.

:It also helps that Marth is more iconic than any other FE character, being the main lord of the very first game, the third game, and the eleventh game on top of popularizing the Fire Emblem series in the Western hemisphere through the SSB games and starring in his own animu. Roy and Ike are just FE characters with cameo appearences in SSBM/B. - [[Special:Contributions/4.156.24.178|4.156.24.178]] ([[User talk:4.156.24.178|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Infobox artwork ==


== Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2021 ==
Should we replace it with his artwork from ''[[Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon]]''? Since this is the English Wikipedia, users would most likely be more familiar with it. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] ([[User talk:Evice|talk]]) 02:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nobody had anything to say about this, so I went ahead and did it. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] ([[User talk:Evice|talk]]) 04:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Marth (Fire Emblem)|answered=yes}}
== Search result ==
Add on Reception section "Jeremy Parish of ''[[Polygon (website)|Polygon]]'' ranked 73 fighters from ''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' "from garbage to glorious", placing Marth at 24th, describing him "The most legendary of Smash’s Fire Emblem heroes."<ref>{{Cite web|last=Parish|first=Jeremy|date=2018-12-03|title=We rank the Smash Bros. (and friends)|url=https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/12/3/18120401/super-smash-bros-ultimate-character-rankings|access-date=2020-11-05|website=[[Polygon (website)|Polygon]]}}</ref> Gavin Jasper of ''[[Den of Geek]]'' ranked Marth as 15th on his list of ''Super Smash Bros. Ultimate'' characters, stating "The Fire Emblem hero may not be the most charismatic fighter on the roster, but his backstory, unwavering moral compass, and ability to rally soldiers for the greater good makes him deserving of his legacy."<ref>https://www.denofgeek.com/games/super-smash-bros-characters-ranked/</ref> [[Special:Contributions/14.192.212.176|14.192.212.176]] ([[User talk:14.192.212.176|talk]]) 23:16, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Seems there is no consensus for this inclusion. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 18:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Please do not reopen edit requests without explaining why and adding additional comments. ––[[User:FormalDude|<span style="color: #0151D2;font-size:100%">𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲</span>]] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">[[User talk:FormalDude|<span style="color:#FFF">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 04:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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::::They can be added on reception section, so it can be improved like other articles. Good articles like [[Samus Aran]] and etc has it on their reception, as there are consensus to add listicle reliable source on reception that talks about character. [[Special:Contributions/14.192.212.176|14.192.212.176]] ([[User talk:14.192.212.176|talk]]) 04:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> As it stands, the text you want to add is full of [[MOS:PEACOCK|puffery]], and adds no substance to the Reception section. If you want to expand on the characters description feel free to start a section for discussion on the talk page, but please do not reopen the edit request. If you have a different edit request you would like to make, you may open a separate, new edit request. ––[[User:FormalDude|<span style="color: #0151D2;font-size:100%">𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲</span>]] <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:2px 5px;background:#0151D2;font-size:75%">[[User talk:FormalDude|<span style="color:#FFF">'''talk'''</span>]]</span> 04:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


== Image ==
I have noticed that when you type "Marth" in the search box, Wikipedia redirects you to a tiny german town stub article. Considering that this page for the hero of the first Fire Emblem is much more complete, longer, and more important, I thought it'd be a good idea to make this page the automatic search page result.


This isn't a huge deal, but why is the Smash Ultimate image being used? Unlike Roy, Marth didn't originate in the Smash series and his games were officially localized. I'd think some bit of art from either Shadow Dragon or New Mystery of the Emblem would be more appropriate. [[User:SnowFire|SnowFire]] ([[User talk:SnowFire|talk]]) 04:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
However, I don't know how to modify this. Can someone take care of this? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.130.46.147|66.130.46.147]] ([[User talk:66.130.46.147|talk]]) 21:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Image on infobox ==
==Move discussion in progress==
There is a move discussion in progress on [[Talk:Marth#|Talk:Marth]] which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. <!-- Talk:Marth crosspost --> —[[User:RM bot|RM bot]] 03:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)


I think we should use an image or artwork from a version of ''[[Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light]]'' or ''[[Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem]]'' rather than an art from a 4koma about a game that isn't even about Marth. [[User:Delsait|Delsait]] ([[User talk:Delsait|talk]]) 19:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
==Mars vs Marth==
:When picking an image, there are factors that need to be considered. It's encouraged to use art from the source, but the source images are not necessarily the best. For example, [[Garnet (Final Fantasy)]] uses a spinoff art piece because the main image of her is a very awkward angle. His Famicom iteration is not in line with how most people know him, his Mystery of the Emblem image is too wide to comfortably fit, and his New Mystery of the Emblem image is also too wide. The Shadow Dragon image is not bad, but it obscures part of the Falchion's design. The 4koma image shows all relevant elements of his design. - [[User:Cukie Gherkin|Cukie Gherkin]] ([[User talk:Cukie Gherkin|talk]]) 21:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Localizing Marusu as Marth doesn't make sense. If he was called Mars in the OVA, should the article be named Mars?[[Special:Contributions/24.19.167.36|24.19.167.36]] ([[User talk:24.19.167.36|talk]]) 23:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:22, 21 September 2024

Former good article nomineeMarth (Fire Emblem) was a Video games good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 9, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2021

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Add on Reception section "Jeremy Parish of Polygon ranked 73 fighters from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate "from garbage to glorious", placing Marth at 24th, describing him "The most legendary of Smash’s Fire Emblem heroes."[1] Gavin Jasper of Den of Geek ranked Marth as 15th on his list of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate characters, stating "The Fire Emblem hero may not be the most charismatic fighter on the roster, but his backstory, unwavering moral compass, and ability to rally soldiers for the greater good makes him deserving of his legacy."[2] 14.192.212.176 (talk) 23:16, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: Seems there is no consensus for this inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Please do not reopen edit requests without explaining why and adding additional comments. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 04:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Parish, Jeremy (2018-12-03). "We rank the Smash Bros. (and friends)". Polygon. Retrieved 2020-11-05.
  2. ^ https://www.denofgeek.com/games/super-smash-bros-characters-ranked/
They can be added on reception section, so it can be improved like other articles. Good articles like Samus Aran and etc has it on their reception, as there are consensus to add listicle reliable source on reception that talks about character. 14.192.212.176 (talk) 04:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: As it stands, the text you want to add is full of puffery, and adds no substance to the Reception section. If you want to expand on the characters description feel free to start a section for discussion on the talk page, but please do not reopen the edit request. If you have a different edit request you would like to make, you may open a separate, new edit request. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 04:26, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image

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This isn't a huge deal, but why is the Smash Ultimate image being used? Unlike Roy, Marth didn't originate in the Smash series and his games were officially localized. I'd think some bit of art from either Shadow Dragon or New Mystery of the Emblem would be more appropriate. SnowFire (talk) 04:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image on infobox

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I think we should use an image or artwork from a version of Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light or Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem rather than an art from a 4koma about a game that isn't even about Marth. Delsait (talk) 19:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When picking an image, there are factors that need to be considered. It's encouraged to use art from the source, but the source images are not necessarily the best. For example, Garnet (Final Fantasy) uses a spinoff art piece because the main image of her is a very awkward angle. His Famicom iteration is not in line with how most people know him, his Mystery of the Emblem image is too wide to comfortably fit, and his New Mystery of the Emblem image is also too wide. The Shadow Dragon image is not bad, but it obscures part of the Falchion's design. The 4koma image shows all relevant elements of his design. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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