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Hi, we're a group of university students learning about [[Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/NTU_HG252_Language,_Technology_and_the_Internet|Language, Technology and the Internet]], and have been assigned the task of creating or improving a Wikipedia article. We really like this topic and will be working on it over the next few weeks. A key addition we plan to make to the page will be on the revitalization of Silbo Gomero. Cheers! |
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[[User:Ngsnng|Ngsnng]] [[User:YLC007|YLC007]] [[User:JerroldOng|JerroldOng]] |
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Who wrote this page? Can the author leave a note at my user page [[User:thefamouseccles|thefamouseccles]]? I've always wanted to know something about the Silbo, but I can't find anything in the literature. Thanks! [[User:thefamouseccles|thefamouseccles]] |
Who wrote this page? Can the author leave a note at my user page [[User:thefamouseccles|thefamouseccles]]? I've always wanted to know something about the Silbo, but I can't find anything in the literature. Thanks! [[User:thefamouseccles|thefamouseccles]] |
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Can you provide a written transcription of this language? [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 01:48, 2005 May 8 (UTC) |
Can you provide a written transcription of this language? [[User:Scott Gall|Scott Gall]] 01:48, 2005 May 8 (UTC) |
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: I really believe that the "transcription" of Silbo is just written Spanish. Try listening to this: http://www.uwnews.org/relatedcontent/2005/January/rc_parentID7171_thisID7264.wav |
: I really believe that the "transcription" of Silbo is just written Spanish. Try listening to this: http://www.uwnews.org/relatedcontent/2005/January/rc_parentID7171_thisID7264.wav |
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It's Silbo for "Domingo is sick". Now, in Spanish this phrase would be "Domingo estás enfermo". With a little imagination, you can hear the phonemes of that phrase being whistled instead of spoken! |
: It's Silbo for "Domingo is sick". Now, in Spanish this phrase would be "Domingo estás enfermo". With a little imagination, you can hear the phonemes of that phrase being whistled instead of spoken! [[User:Devil_Master|Devil Master]] 21:03, 15 Jul 2005 (MET) |
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: Actually is "Domingo ESTÁ enfermo". Or "OIO EÁ EEO" ;-) --[[User:Pinzo|Pinzo]] 01:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC) |
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== 'Word of Mouth' - Michael Rosen - BBC Radio 4 == |
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Just heard an interesting UK radio program with a section about Silbo Gomero. It should be available for a week on [http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/wordofmouth] More details on [http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/wordofmouth.shtml]. |
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--[[Special:Contributions/195.137.93.171|195.137.93.171]] ([[User talk:195.137.93.171|talk]]) 22:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== BBC news article == |
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Interesting article [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20953138 here] today, which could be used to keep this article up-to-date. <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #A00000;padding:1px;"> An [[User:Optimist on the run|'''<span style="color:#A00000">optimist</span>''']] on the [[User Talk:Optimist on the run|''<span style="color:#00A000">run!</span>'']] </small> 07:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC) |
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== Sylbo - Alternate Spelling? == |
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According to [http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,2394874997001_2143817,00.html this Time article], it seems that "Sylbo" is an alternate spelling for this language? [[User:Jaardon|Jaardon]] ([[User talk:Jaardon|talk]]) 21:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Article needs simplification, better definitions, etc == |
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This is a very good start on a fascinating and not well-documented subject, but I felt as a general reader frustrated trying to understand some concepts because clearly some sort of academic "jargon" is being employed. Like, what is a "basement" in this context, what does "a/" mean vs "/a", what does a term like "+voice" mean? |
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Obviously it's very hard to express these things and no one can expect that every single word is defined for them. But I think that there are some pretty clear instances where adding some sort of definition or link to a reference would be extremely helpful. |
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An encyclopedia of this kind is not intended to be "scholarly" but to bring understanding to people of a general level of knowledge and understanding. I would genuinely like to understand this better, but it would take a lot of subsidiary research into the terms just to really "get" it. |
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"So, smart guy--go for it, fix it yourself!" is a possible response to my comment. I'm just posting this in the hope that someone will already know enough to make it more understandable to the general reader. |
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Thanks to anyone willing to take this on, and to the people who did it in the first place. Fascinating subject! [[User:Jefferson1957|Jefferson1957]] ([[User talk:Jefferson1957|talk]]) 17:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== Brief Review == |
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My students revised this page for a [[Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/NTU_HG252_Language,_Technology_and_the_Internet|course (HG2052: Language, Technology and the Internet)]] and I am adding a couple of comments as part of the final review. [[User:Ffbond|Francis Bond]] ([[User talk:Ffbond|talk]]) 06:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC) |
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* The page reads well and has a balanced discussion. |
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** The linguistic discussion is more accessible but still uses a lot of specialized vocab. |
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* The references are not all linked (e.g. (Busnel and Classe: v).) |
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* Different page references to the same page could be merged: [[Help:References_and_page_numbers]] |
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* The page is broad, neutral, stable, and illustrated. I think it is close to GA. |
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The result of the move request was: ''move''' the page, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 20:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC) |
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[[:Silbo Gomero language]] → {{no redirect|Silbo Gomero}} – Not a language, so "language" is inappropriate; also no need for dab, as name is unambiguous. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 22:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' [[User:Gregkaye|Gregkaye]] [[User talk:Gregkaye|<span style="color:Black"><big>✍</big>♪</span>]] 04:39, 6 December 2014 (UTC) |
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*UNESCO [http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/RL/00172 calls it a language], and the text of the article calls it a language. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 21:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''': A line call in my view. The current title is more recognisable and is accurate enough by any sensible assessment, but the proposed title is unambiguous and more concise. The bottom line is reader experience, and so long as we have a redirect from the other, I don't think it matters which way we go here. I question the proposer's first argument regarding accuracy, and note that the only ''support'' vote gives no arguments at all. But there are no ''oppose'' votes, so if moving it makes everyone happy, no problem, and let's move on. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 18:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Regardless of what Unesco calls it it is not a language, and there is no ambiguity with a Silbo gomero non language, so there is no need for adding language especially not since it compromises accuracy and perpetuates a misunderstanding.[[User talk:Maunus|User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw·]] 18:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC) |
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== frequency range == |
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"whistles are limited to 1200 Hz to 2400 Hz" <br> |
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Does it mean a frequency range from 1200 Hz to 2400 Hz? If so, then the sentence should be corrected. But one octave is much too less. I can easily reach 2 octaves although I am no professional whistler. [[Special:Contributions/85.193.194.118|85.193.194.118]] ([[User talk:85.193.194.118|talk]]) 03:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC) |
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Comments
[edit]Hi, we're a group of university students learning about Language, Technology and the Internet, and have been assigned the task of creating or improving a Wikipedia article. We really like this topic and will be working on it over the next few weeks. A key addition we plan to make to the page will be on the revitalization of Silbo Gomero. Cheers! Ngsnng YLC007 JerroldOng
Who wrote this page? Can the author leave a note at my user page thefamouseccles? I've always wanted to know something about the Silbo, but I can't find anything in the literature. Thanks! thefamouseccles
Can you provide a written transcription of this language? Scott Gall 01:48, 2005 May 8 (UTC)
- I really believe that the "transcription" of Silbo is just written Spanish. Try listening to this: http://www.uwnews.org/relatedcontent/2005/January/rc_parentID7171_thisID7264.wav
- It's Silbo for "Domingo is sick". Now, in Spanish this phrase would be "Domingo estás enfermo". With a little imagination, you can hear the phonemes of that phrase being whistled instead of spoken! Devil Master 21:03, 15 Jul 2005 (MET)
- Actually is "Domingo ESTÁ enfermo". Or "OIO EÁ EEO" ;-) --Pinzo 01:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
'Word of Mouth' - Michael Rosen - BBC Radio 4
[edit]Just heard an interesting UK radio program with a section about Silbo Gomero. It should be available for a week on [1] More details on [2]. --195.137.93.171 (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
BBC news article
[edit]Interesting article here today, which could be used to keep this article up-to-date. An optimist on the run! 07:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Sylbo - Alternate Spelling?
[edit]According to this Time article, it seems that "Sylbo" is an alternate spelling for this language? Jaardon (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Article needs simplification, better definitions, etc
[edit]This is a very good start on a fascinating and not well-documented subject, but I felt as a general reader frustrated trying to understand some concepts because clearly some sort of academic "jargon" is being employed. Like, what is a "basement" in this context, what does "a/" mean vs "/a", what does a term like "+voice" mean?
Obviously it's very hard to express these things and no one can expect that every single word is defined for them. But I think that there are some pretty clear instances where adding some sort of definition or link to a reference would be extremely helpful.
An encyclopedia of this kind is not intended to be "scholarly" but to bring understanding to people of a general level of knowledge and understanding. I would genuinely like to understand this better, but it would take a lot of subsidiary research into the terms just to really "get" it.
"So, smart guy--go for it, fix it yourself!" is a possible response to my comment. I'm just posting this in the hope that someone will already know enough to make it more understandable to the general reader.
Thanks to anyone willing to take this on, and to the people who did it in the first place. Fascinating subject! Jefferson1957 (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Brief Review
[edit]My students revised this page for a course (HG2052: Language, Technology and the Internet) and I am adding a couple of comments as part of the final review. Francis Bond (talk) 06:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- The page reads well and has a balanced discussion.
- The linguistic discussion is more accessible but still uses a lot of specialized vocab.
- The references are not all linked (e.g. (Busnel and Classe: v).)
- Different page references to the same page could be merged: Help:References_and_page_numbers
- The page is broad, neutral, stable, and illustrated. I think it is close to GA.
Move
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: move' the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Silbo Gomero language → Silbo Gomero – Not a language, so "language" is inappropriate; also no need for dab, as name is unambiguous. — kwami (talk) 22:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
- Support Gregkaye ✍♪ 04:39, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- UNESCO calls it a language, and the text of the article calls it a language. Dekimasuよ! 21:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: A line call in my view. The current title is more recognisable and is accurate enough by any sensible assessment, but the proposed title is unambiguous and more concise. The bottom line is reader experience, and so long as we have a redirect from the other, I don't think it matters which way we go here. I question the proposer's first argument regarding accuracy, and note that the only support vote gives no arguments at all. But there are no oppose votes, so if moving it makes everyone happy, no problem, and let's move on. Andrewa (talk) 18:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- Support Regardless of what Unesco calls it it is not a language, and there is no ambiguity with a Silbo gomero non language, so there is no need for adding language especially not since it compromises accuracy and perpetuates a misunderstanding.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
frequency range
[edit]"whistles are limited to 1200 Hz to 2400 Hz"
Does it mean a frequency range from 1200 Hz to 2400 Hz? If so, then the sentence should be corrected. But one octave is much too less. I can easily reach 2 octaves although I am no professional whistler. 85.193.194.118 (talk) 03:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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